Wow! I never knew B* lied about when he knew about 9/11 !

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Searching for "recall" president to see if we could recall him after he got in, and this story popped up. It is a minute by minute account of chimp's day on 9/11. and how he lied about when he was told about it.

I know this is old -- but it is an excellent account -- for those of you like me who missed this....


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

snip...
On December 4, 2001, Bush was asked: "How did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?" Bush replied, "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it."
There was no film footage of the first attack until at least the following day, and Bush didn't have access to a television until 15 or so minutes later. The Boston Herald later noted, "Think about that. Bush's remark implies he saw the first plane hit the tower. But we all know that video of the first plane hitting did not surface until the next day. Could Bush have meant he saw the second plane hit - which many Americans witnessed? No, because he said that he was in the classroom when Card whispered in his ear that a second plane hit." Bush's recollection has many precise details. Is he simply confused? It's doubly strange why his advisors didn't correct him or - at the very least - stop him from repeating the same story only four weeks later. On January 5, 2002, Bush stated: "Well, I was sitting in a schoolhouse in Florida ... and my Chief of Staff – well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane..."

[MindPilot]

1. not only did he tell that lie,

but he told it again and again and again.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. hmm. Liar, or Idiot, or Both....n/t

[borealowl]

6. hijacked planes

The FAA and Secret Service would have known before he went in the schoolroom that there were hijacked planes in the air. He should have been whisked away before he ever went in the school, for his own protection. The whole sequence is baffling.

[Carni]

12. Here's the kicker--his situations room head was with him on that trip

I cannot recall her name, but she was along on the trip to Florida.

She gave a speech in front of a Catholic group about three months after 9-11 and stated (in a very flowery mellodramatic fashion) that she told him about the first plane hitting the north tower, as they were leaving the resort he was staying at, to drive to the school.
(I believe she states she ran to his limo and told him about it)

ON EDIT: I found the link and the article

http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/tct/Archive/dec0701.htm

'Pray, never forget Sept. 11 and live your life,' she urges
By Nancy Stout

SPRINGFIELD DEANERY - United States Navy Captain Deborah Loewer, at home in Springfield for the Thanksgiving holiday, recently spoke to a gathering of 50 people at St. Joseph/St. Raphael Church in Springfield about the Sept. 11 attacks on America.

Loewer, a Springfield native who was raised in St. Joseph Parish, is currently the director of the White House Situation Room. She was the one who informed President George W. Bush of the Sept. 11 attacks.

The daughter of Hubert and Marilyn Loewer, longtime St. Joseph parishioners, Captain Loewer traveled to Florida with President Bush on Sept. 11 to visit a school. She received the message from her deputy in the White House Situation Room about the plane crashing into the first tower, and she described running from her car in the motorcade to the president's car to pass along the information.


Once they reached the school, they watched events unfold on television, along with others in America. A short time later, she recognized the attacks for what they were and reported, "Mr. President, I think it's terrorism."

[leesa]

17. They DID know. Bush's role was to sit tight in Florida. Remember, his

brother had put Florida under martial law on 9/7 for this purpose. Of course, being an extremely selfish creature, he never considered the safety of the children...wait a minute...was it because he knew EXACTLY what was going down??

BushCo did 9-11. Not a single doubt in my mind.

[proud patriot]

11. since he repeated the lie over and over it must be true

"We must never forget 9/11" they tell us .

Oh we don't forget , in fact I remember bush
running scared .

[fryguy]

3. and then he picked up "My Pet Goat"

cause that's what any normal person's response to watching a plane hit a building would be......

[dreamcollector]

7. Rummy's behaviour was even MORE amazing

He sat and chatted casually in the Pentagon, knowing the attack was on and didn't get really involved until the plane hit? And that genius is now in charge of the Iraqi war? Dontcha get the feeling he was sitting on his hands until it was all over? Cheney and Meyers did the same. Business as usual while everybody else all over the world dropped whatever they were doing to watch what was happening in New York. It smells to high heaven. I have never understood why so many Americans have accepted the official story which is so full of lies. Once you know that they KNEW there was going to be an Al Queda attack in New York using planes it looks TOTALLY suspicious that Bush sat there. Not to mention saying "must be some stupid pilot"! DUH! Even he isn't that stupid but an awful lot of people who accept the official story are. And how bout all those oil folk with conflicts of interest sitting on that 9/11 Inquiry. What a farce. Americans should be marching in the streets to demand answers about 9/11. Nobody can tell me that enough Americans were stupid enough to vote that bunch back in. And I'm Canadian --- perfectly willing to believe the worst about the U.S. But no I CANNOT believe Bush won that election. NO WAY!

[stillcool]

10. I had forgotten about....

the 9/11 commission, and I forget who wrote the book that laid out how almost all the members had connections to corporations that made it all a farce. I think it was '9/11 uncovered'. There are so many books out there with so much information, and lots of documentation to back up their points. And yet here, in a supposed democratic blog there are so many people who appear to only post and never read. I don't get it.

[leesa]

18. That was the PLAN. They were to let it proceed. Why would they spend

years planning their PNAC kick-off and then risk interfering in its progress? Rummie was well aware of the events to be completed on 9-11

[fryguy]

30. and he has a piece of the plane in his office

had it put on a plaque and hung on the wall of his office - some sort of sick trophy that he said was intended to remind him about that day....seriously people, is there ANY chance of 9/11 being forgotten any time soon, even without it being constantly invoked by politicians?????

[Carni]

4. He actually made those same stupid comments TWICE

I mean on seperate occasions, during seperate speeches, about a week apart. At one time democrats.com had the links to the individual transcripts in their news items...but now that it's a blog I don't know if it would still be archived there.

[dreamcollector]

9. MAKETHEMACCOUNTABLE.COM

Carolyn Kay has archived that material. She has a great collection of 9/11 stuff. Very incriminating.

[YDogg]

5. I think ...

... people (myself included, in some ways) hoped that a new * would emerge from the September 11 attacks. That somehow petty politics would give way to a longer lasting unification of the American people. Alas, I was sadly mistaken. (I was also sadly mistaken when I picked Oklahoma to win tonight ... it's 35-10 in the first half ... but that's a different story. I don;t mean to make light of the original post in mentioning this game, but holy crapola! USC is on fire!)

I think people were willing to overlook his repetition of known falsehoods ... or were too shellshocked to give these falsehoods much pause in the months following September 11. We were too trusting and naive as a country, I think, or at least I feel that way personally. That I was. I wanted to believe the shizzit he was spouting about the nation coming together ... now it's all suspect.

[drscm]

8. Real News would be: BUSH TELLS TRUTH! eom

[davekriss]

13. I wonder sometimes...

Maybe Bush didn't know. Maybe he was totally out of the loop. Maybe instead someone else in his entourage, his handlers, was clued in and did watch some kind of video feed that Bush happened upon. It does seem more probable that Bush was clueless and handled rather than any kind of mastermind.

Just a thought. A frightening thought, really, because it means when Bush is gone the horror is not; the infiltration of evil at the highest ranks is perhaps huge and extensive and will be difficult to untangle.

Why, for example, even after the August 6 PDB, even after he was informed about the first strike, did General Meyers waltz into Max Cleland's office and calmly talk politics over donuts and coffee, only to emerge after the Pentagon was struck? Why didn't one of his staff rush in to tell him an emergency was at hand? Why didn't his keen military instinct drive him away from this "stand down" from duty? This just a couple of the many unanswered questions surrounding the whole regime, from Rumsfeld to Condie to Cheney to Wolfowitz and who knows whom else.

Nothing but LIHOP or worse makes sense to me. But Bush himself may have been kept in the dark.

(But then, I don't know how to post images, but there's this image of Bush walking off a helicopter, jaw jutting out and head tilted upward at a 45 degree angle, which suggests Mussolini to me, or how I imagine Caligula would be. The dumb empty-gallon hat may be all act. Like that NYC don who wanders the streets of NYC in his pajamas, meant to throw the police off his trail...? We, I fear, will never really know.)

[seabeyond]

14. i have been wanting this answered forever

says he saw the first plane hit. no one had video of it until the next day. the time of the second plane hitting he was sitting in the class room. so how did he see that first plane hit. he was in his carpool driving to school when the plane hit. he had to be getting feed on it.

further the tape that appeared on the first hit the next day was like 6 isreali "art" students cheering on the shores of new jersey filming across the bay getting the plane going into the tower. i want to know about that too

[Carni]

16. I think there was footage of that first plane hitting by like 2 PM on TV

The ones that captured the initial impact of the first plane
were those French brothers who were doing the documentary on NYC Firefighters and if I remember this correctly, they got the footage to the media at like 1 or 2 PM -- but that just further proves that bush was lying because there was no other footage except for what the French brothers filmed.

I researched this extensively at one time.

[seabeyond]

19. it has been a long time

since i have researched too, but i hear ya. thanks for the info. know he lied. want an answer

[Carni]

21. Oh there is no question that he lied!

And the weird thing IMO is that someone scripted that same stupid lie for him to tell at least twice (that I could prove from transcripts then, anyway)

It's like why would they instruct him to say something so stupid that could be so easily disproved?

It doesn't make any sense--unless he did watch live feed from some security camera somewhere and he slipped (because he is a moron)

[seabeyond]

23. he said the first time immediately after

then said it again i believe in a speech in january and by then everyone, (maybe not everyone) recognized it a non truth and no one called him on it.

another i want an answer to is if they didnt suspect something in the hotel in florida he had two ground to air missile launchers installed on the hotel roof. the only reason for those is a plane flying into a building. and the martial law in florida 4 days prior to his visit, what was that about,

and could go on and on. why people see conspiracy when looking at bush and 9/11. isnt like i try to be a conspiracy theorist on this crap

[Carni]

26. Yes, I remember looking at the executive order on the 7th

It was on the Florida state website and I personally looked at it there.

I also remember hearing bush's scripted lie twice about watching the plane crash and wondering what the hell he, or his handlers, were thinking in repeating the idiotic story word per word.

Aside from all of that, I just did some google searches and found an article from Online Journal that hits the nail on the head regarding this issue...

If bush was briefed on August 6th about "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US" How in the hell could he think "oh my what a terrible pilot" When he heard that a plane had crashed into the first WTC tower?

The man is stupid...but NO ONE is that stupid, which means he was at the very least covering his ass because he knew it was coming.

I agree with you, this crooked manner in which bush conducts himself in has nothing to do with conspiracy and everything to do with the fact that he is a lying, thieving, murdering (I am referring to Iraq now...but I would apply this title to him in other ways as well) so and so.

[TrustingDog]

32. perhaps he wasn't lieing after all...

and Did see the first hit - on closed circuit...
get my drift?

He's such a doofus - he can't lie very well or keep track of stuff in his greymush gourd. That would explain all those nasty scrapes and bruises - Rove and Poppy punch his stupid face in after these episodes - but they don't worry Too much, afterall the general public is even stupider than bush, thanks to the Mess Media, poor diets, bad education, over medication, etc .

[Octafish]

15. Don't mind if it's old news for some. For most of America, it's news.

Here's something else America needs to know:



Bush is a CROOK!

A liar. A thief.
A mass murderer.

If Corporate McPravda were actually to do their role in our once-democratic society, they'd tell the truth so we wouldn't have to on DU.

Ya might want to copy some of the stories. Many on this topic are no longer archived or have been purged, depending on the source.

Regarding Bush and 9-11:


BFEE (Bush Family Evil Empire) Allowed 9-11

At BEST, Bush's incompetence enabled 9-11. That makes him criminally derelict in his duty as commander-in-chief, an impeachable offense.

There is no doubt the former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and President Clinton personally warned the incoming administration of the dangers posed by bin Laden and Al Quaeda.

Later that summer, DCI George Tenet's hair was afire with all the warnings he was getting. How come he didn't get the info about the flight schools from CIA? Perhaps he'duh warned the airlines or even the flying public?

It's most LIKELY Bush's incompetence was the result of willfull ignorance. That requires no stretch of the imagination. Consider the following evidence, from JUNE-JULY 2001:

Plot to assassinate Bush - reports

Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas

July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/


Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation
Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.

A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.
Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html


Then there's little Johnny Ashcan who stopped flying commercial in July 2001.


Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines." -- FBI spokesman

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml


And then what did BUSH DO POST-9-11?

HE BROKE INTERNATIONAL LAW TO INVADE A NATION WITH WHICH WE WERE AT PEACE TO STEAL THE OIL.

SOURCE w/loads o' replies 'n' links 'n' stuff:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x27349

[Tactical Progressive]

20. Stop. He's obviously confused.

Is that so hard to believe? When isn't he confused except when reading from a script?

He obviously only heard about the first plane hitting, contrary to his recollection. That's all he could have known because video of the second plane hit wasn't available until later. Further, that comports with his idiotic take that it must be one bad pilot. Anybody who saw those planes hit immediately recognized that it was no accident. They were flying straight and true. They weren't out of control in the least. The only way you'd be able to make a remark about a bad pilot was if you'd only heard about a plane crashing into a skyscraper. No way you could be that dumb if you'd seen it, even him.

What probably happened then was after he left the classroom they hung around for about half an hour whereupon he saw the second plane hit on a TV that had been tuned in just like every TV in America.

He heard about the first hit, made a dumb remark, saw the second hit, then confused the two.
______________________

It's bad enough that he behaved badly the whole day through on 9/11, but it really doesn't help for Democrats to trump him with inane theories about MIHOP and demolition of the towers or of tower 7, or of cruise missiles mounted under the plane, or about a plane not really crashing into the Pentagon. God damn.

There is only one issue regarding 9/11. One issue. That is that Bush knew for nine months that America was vulnerable to attack and that attacks were being planned, and he did NOTHING.

Any mention of idiotic conspiracy theories surrounding the plausibility of what happened on the day detracts from the attention, the focus, the energy, the credibility and the awareness of the one real issue regarding 9/11: all the warnings and studies and admonitions from high level sources everywhere to defend against exactly such an attack that BushCo abjectly ignored.

Get with the program. Stop making us look bad by zooming in on just another Bush mis-speak and drawing attention away from the real issue.

[Carni]

22. That's the point he WAS reading from a script

On the two occasions that I saw his idiotic remarks in transcripts (told at different times) he tells the same story word for word.

I am stating a fact so how the hell is that conspiracy?

[Tactical Progressive]

24. So what?

What do you think, BushCo had a videocam watching the attack as it unfolded knowing it would? Then he wouldn't have thought it was just bad piloting. Catch-22 you're wrong either way.

And that is the implication of this entire train of thought, which is indeed a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

It's obvious there are Dems who don't want to let go of these absurd ideas. That's bad enough, but the lack of comprehension that there are downsides to such ridiculous speculation is worse. They aren't free of charge. They:

1) make us look like jackasses
2) divert attention and subtract credibility from the real issue

That makes anybody promoting such things 0 for 3. Wrong, embarassing, and counterproductive.

[Carni]

27. Obviously/What I think is that he deliberately lied on two occasions

About "watching the plane hit the first tower" on TV on 911.

When someone tells a bold faced lie that has clearly been scripted for him there is some purpose for it--it is designed to hide something. In this particular case I think bush was lying to establish an excuse for proceeding to that Florida classroom when he very likely knew we were under attack.

He and his entire staff have repeatedly lied about who told him what that morning, but the bottom line is the country was under attack and the idiot shouldn't have been sitting in a classroom reading about a goat--it shows a huge level of incompetence (obviously)

No, I don't think he watched it unfold (give me a break)

Since when is lying by the bush admin a *conspiracy theory* dreamed up by conspiracy theorists?

You should probably be thanking all these people that make you "look like such jack asses" because without people digging around in all this seemingly insignificant info for years there would have been no 911 commission and there would have been no public exposure of the fact that his admin did have advance warnings about 911.

Aside from that someone posted something about him lying and I happened to know the answer to what they asked, so I responded.

If you don't approve then hit ignore.

[NAO]

25. Overwhelming Evidence that Bush knew, proof he lied; official account sham.

The central website of the 9/11 Truth Movement is

http://www.911truth.org/

Even the lightest bit of digging will uncover a massive amount of evidence that Bush knew a great deal before 9/11. It is a matter of public record that he lied about it; and further, the official account of the events of 9/11 is an utter sham.

Author David Ray Griffin (The New Pearl Harbor, Omissions and Distortions of the 9/11 Commission Report) has said, "it does not take any sleuthing to uncover the lies the Administration has told about or to become skeptical of the official story - all the evidence is readily available". Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor" is the best book I have read on the 9/11 events. He remains detached and objective, and lets the facts speak for themselves.

Other excellent 9/11 books include:

Paul Thompson / cooperative research's "Terror Time line"
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org

Michael Ruppert's "Crossing the Rubicon"
http://www.fromthewilderness.com

Jim Marrs' "Inside Job"

http://www.911truth.org/

[Octafish]

28. Sibel Edmonds: Still Silenced, But Why?

From one of your links, NAO..

Sibel Edmonds: Still Silenced, But Why?

Opinion by Jim Hogue
Baltimore Chronicle
December 17, 2004

The connections of the Bush administration to the cover-up of the 9/11 attacks provide the material for the most important topic that our media could address. But it doesn't. Why? It is fair to say that the Bush administration, through the efforts of Attorney General John Ashcroft, has confirmed its complicity in the 9/11/01 attacks. In his legal appeal to Judge Reggie Walton to silence FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, Ashcroft has inadvertently, through the very language of the appeal, provided eloquent proof of treason and misprision of treason within the highest levels of government.

Their refusal to release the report of the Inspector General, and their original gag order to “block discovery in a lawsuit of any information that, if disclosed, would adversely affect national security” raises obvious questions (still unasked by the mainstream and progressive media) as to WHO is being protected. The gag order itself provides the answer to another obvious question (still unasked by the mainstream and progressive media) as to WHY the gag order was sought.

In Ms. Edmonds' unimpeachable testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee almost three years ago, she named countries and people who had contributed to the attacks of 9/11. At the time, the FBI had evidence from Colleen Rowley, The Phoenix memo, and other FBI translators. Twenty-five more whistleblowers have joined them. Who would be damaged by the release of the reports? Who is being protected?

Nearly three years ago, Sibel Edmonds provided unimpeachable testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Why is she still under a gag order? Who's being protected? What Ashcroft has done is to admit that those who have read the reports (Ashcroft himself plus the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee including Senators Grassley and Leahy) know the identities of the countries and persons who are responsible for the attacks. And he has confirmed that those responsible must be protected. The press and the Democrats and Republicans in Congress agree.

SNIP...

It is most significant, legally, that Senators Grassley and Leahy have repeatedly demanded that Ashcroft release the Inspector General’s report. Note, they “fear that the designation of information as classified in this case serves to protect the executive branch against embarrassing revelations and full accountability.” Senators Grassley and Leahy are telling you WHY it is classified. Their letters serve as documentary, exculpatory evidence--for them. They have cleared themselves in advance of misprision of treason. Ashcroft has not, and cannot. The time for that would have been before 9/11, not after. In fact, he has heaped evidence upon himself by taking such an active, personal roll in the case.

CONTINUED...

http://www.911Truth.org/article.php?story=20041219112734753

[Stephanie]

29. If you're interested in the timeline, you might want to check out the book

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060783389/qid=1104902801/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-7347325-0211114?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

[Octafish]

31. It sure looks like they got a reason to start a war with Iraq...

... And retrieve all that oil that is rightfully theirs to steal.

Even outgoing Clinton said he noticed something amiss when he told the crazy monkey that the biggest threat facing America was from terrorist Osama bin Laden. Sandy Berger briefed Condescenda and all she wanted to talk about was Star Wars and the Soviets, er, Russians.

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill noticed it on his first day on the job. These guys wanted to attack Iraq from before 9-11.

Richard Clarke said he told Condi and anyone who'd listen that Osama was on the way. (Wonder why no one told Clarke about the terrorists at flight school?). As soon as it happened, Bushler and Rummy were on him to find a connection to Saddam Hussein.

Liars.

Thieves.

Crooks.

Murderers.

Mass murderers.

Genocidal maniacs.