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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 06:50 PM
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Not So Surprising Nuke-Earthquake News?
I hope it is OK to post Satori's excellent link. I believe this needs to be researched.

http://coastalpost.com/96/12/2.htm

The Coastal Post - December, 1996

Not So Surprising Nuke-Earthquake News
BY KAREN NAKAMURA

On the morning of October 10, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation aired this piece. I obtained a copy of it from the ever-vigilant Dr. Gary Whiteford.

Anchorwoman: "A Moscow newspaper reports that Russian scientists tried to harness earthquakes as a means of mass destruction, and the research continued under the new Russian government long after the Soviet Union collapsed."

Correspondent Mike Hornbrook: "The Moscow News called it 'Earthquakes Made To Order.' In a detailed article, the newspaper says research of the so-called tectonic weapons began under the Communists in the 1970s. By late 1987, the Soviet government ordered a major effort to develop such a weapon.

"It was code-named Project Mercury and Project Vulcan, and involved almost two dozen major scientific and manufacturing centers.

"The theory was that underground nuclear explosions could trigger earthquakes far from the site of the original blast. Researchers speculated the destructive force released would be many times greater than the nuclear blast, that it could be directed toward any point on earth and that there was no way to guard against it.

"According to the Moscow News, everyone involved with the project had the highest security clearance. The first underground nuclear test was carried out six years ago, possibly followed by two more blasts as the pace of research picked up.

"The newspaper says Boris Yeltsin's government continued the work until two or three years ago. At that time a crisis in the Russian economy put everything on hold. However, the Moscow News says that Russia's strategic military doctrine now includes a secret protocol on tectonic weapons.
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 06:53 PM
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1. and they said the tsunami was
a natural disaster!??!:eyes:
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 06:57 PM
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2. Washington was aware that a deadly Tidal Wave was building up in the India
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO412C.html

www.globalresearch.ca
Centre for Research on Globalisation
Centre de recherche sur la mondialisation

Foreknowledge of A Natural Disaster:

Washington was aware that a deadly Tidal Wave was building up in the Indian Ocean

by Michel Chossudovsky

www.globalresearch.ca 29 December 2004

The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/412A.html

(Revised Dec 31, with the release of more information as well as satellite images of affected areas)

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Magnitude 9 Cascadia Earthquake



More than three hundred years ago, at 9 PM on January 26, 1700 one of the world's largest earthquakes occurred along the west coast of North America. The undersea Cascadia thrust fault ruptured along a 1000 km length, from mid Vancouver Island to northern California in a great earthquake, producing tremendous shaking and a huge tsunami that swept across the Pacific.

These events are recorded in the oral traditions of the First Nations people on Vancouver Island. The tsunami swept across the Pacific also causing destruction along the Pacific coast of Japan. It is the accurate descriptions of the tsunami and the accurate time keeping by the Japanese that allows us to confidently know the size and exact time of this great earthquake.

The recognition of definitive signatures in the geological record tells us the January 26, 1700 event was not a unique event, but has repeated many times at irregular intervals of hundreds of years. Geological evidence indicates that 13 great earthquakes have occurred in the last 6000 years.

Natural Resources Canada http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seismo/hist/anniv.press.htm


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The US Military and the State Department were given advanced warning. America's Navy base on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean was notified.

Why were fishermen in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand not provided with the same warnings as the US Navy and the US State Department?

Why did the US State Department remain mum on the existence of an impending catastrophe?

With a modern communications system, why did the information not get out? By email, telephone, fax, satellite TV... ?

It could have saved the lives of thousands of people.  

The earthquake was a Magnitude 9.0 on the Richter scale, among the highest in recorded history. US authorities had initially recorded 8.0 on the Richter scale.

 
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:53 AM
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19. Washington is in bed with corporate america and supporting offshoring
No way did Washington know.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:04 PM
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3. hit a designated target on a testing range on the far eastern Kamchatka
Russia tests mobile ICBM

Saturday, December 25, 2004 Posted: 0030 GMT (0830 HKT)

MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- The Russian military successfully test-fired a mobile version of its top-of-the-line Topol-M intercontinental ballistic missile on Friday, officials said.

The missile was fired from a mobile launcher at the Plesetsk launch pad in the northern region of Arkhangelsk and hit a designated target on a testing range on the far eastern Kamchatka peninsula, Russia's Strategic Missile Forces said in a statement.

Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, Economics Minister German Gref and other top officials attended the launch.

Friday's launch is expected to be the last of four test-firings of the Topol-M's mobile version before its deployment set for next year, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.

The Topol-M missiles, capable of hitting targets more than 6,000 miles away, have been in silos since 1998 and about 40 are on duty now, according to military officials.

Russian media reports have said the missile lifts off faster than its predecessors and maneuvers in a way that makes it more difficult to spot and intercept. It is also reportedly capable of blasting off even after a nuclear explosion close to its silo.

"The missile can penetrate all invented and even yet to be invented missile systems, including those equipped with space-based elements, with high probability," said Yuri Solomonov, who heads the Moscow Institute of Thermal Systems which designed and manufactured the missile.
(more)
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satori Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:46 PM
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4. Terrorism Intel Experts- Tectonic weapons likely in the hands of Al Qaeda
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 07:49 PM by satori
Northeast Intelligence Network
Jill St. Claire, Network Analyst
Al Qaeda's Navy
(Part 2)
An Analysis Of Its Potential Danger


What you are about to read is a compilation of intelligence and information gathered from various sources ranging from press releases issued by the White House to various communications made by known or suspected terrorists on both open and “closed” forums. The opinions and theories stated here are those of this analyst based exhaustive research and analysis of the data referenced above. Any information contained in this analysis that could be interpreted as a threat to the US , it citizens or allies has already been turned over to the appropriate federal authorities.

Tectonic Weapons

At the risk of being labeled as a “conspiracy theorist,” my on-line research of open-source documentation has indicated that there is much about these weapons of mass destruction that someone, somewhere does not want disseminated to the general public. Tectonic weapons may just be the weapons of mass destruction that we should fear the most. The effects of this weapon are relatively unknown and speculated upon at best. It is indeed known and accepted, however, that once such a device has been detonated, there is not any way to predict the affects it will have on humans, on our atmosphere, our land, or the entire world. Tectonic weapons exist for one purpose alone, which is the alteration of destruction of the earth’s eco-system and ultimately human life. These weapons are detonated by remote control, and as indicated above, their long-term consequences are unpredictable.

Whoever is trying to keep these devastating weapons under wraps from the general public can not do so anymore…. credible evidence and exhaustive investigation suggests that these weapons of mass destruction are likely already in the hands of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda Terrorist Network.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/al_qaedas%20navy%20part%202.htm

Al Qaeda’s Navy
An Analysis Of Its Potential Danger

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/Analysts%20Notebook.htm
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:55 PM
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8. Unknown Energy Surges Continue to Hit Planet; Global Weather in Chaos
Unknown Energy Surges Continue to Hit Planet; Global Weather in Chaos

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to the Russian Academy of Sciences

An increasingly panicked global effort is now underway by the world's top scientists to understand an unprecedented series of 'blasts', energy surges, which the planet has been taking from an as yet unknown source which has been bombarding Antarctica with cosmic rays and disrupting Northern Hemisphere weather systems on a global scale.
The first of these cosmic ray blasts occurred nearly 5 years ago and have been increasing in their frequency and intensity since the end of November. The once normally darkened skies of the Northern Hemisphere's Arctic regions are now in twilight due to these blasts. Wayne Davidson, from the Canadian Government's weather station at Resolute Bay, located in the Arctic Circle, says about this mysterious lighting, "The entire horizon is raised like magic, like the hand of God is bringing it up."

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FAA412A.html

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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:03 AM
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20.  firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range
SAID IN APRIL 1997 BY THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN: "Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

"In short,...the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range." .


 http://www.earthchangestv.com/ufo/0209gandor.htm
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305741.shtml

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 10:24 PM
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satori Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:10 PM
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11. Some Freepers are not that bad
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 11:26 PM by satori
I had a liberal website some time ago, and something stirred them up over at Free Republic,and I had a flood of them come over around 2000 and from what I heard of them from left blogs I thought well here it comes now I will get hate mail, and flames galore,but some became regular visitors, and I did not get any hate mail, or any flames. In fact it was quite democratic they would participate in polls, and I estimate I had around half of my traffic were from visitor and members as liberals and the other half were freepers.

I am not that familiar with the history of Pacifica Radio but I am a pacifist liberal Democrat and I think some 50 years ago when the radio station was started they had liberals and freepers as guests that they would interview so that they would get a balanced opinion.



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satori Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:46 PM
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12. And CDI- Russians and "tectonic weapons" in Afghanistan are not freepers
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 11:47 PM by satori
Actually my source for the Soviets planting tectonic devices in Afghanistan http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/5503-5.cfm are not in any way freepers. The Center for Defense (CDI) http://www.cdi.org / Information is a more liberal type group with similar to Wesley Clark type of philosophies see below. I sort of figured out that the Al Qaeda’s Navy source were freepers but I did not see anything published about it by the left, so I figured some would just say well we are getting a balanced view from both sides.

History

CDI was founded in 1972 by recently-retired, senior U.S. military officers. CDI became an independent monitor of the Pentagon, and a watchdog on wasteful defense spending. In the 1980s, it played an active role in the debate about U.S. nuclear arms programs, such as the deployment of the MX mobile missile. CDI worked with grass-roots groups, state governors, church leaders, civic groups and national policy-makers on these issues. CDI also is credited with having produced in the 1980s, the first detailed analysis of so-called black programs at the Pentagon – projects so secret that their budgets are hidden from public scrutiny.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:13 AM
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14. Which case?
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 12:18 AM by Tinoire
The case that

1. these weapons exist and can cause such damage or
2. the case that the ever so elusive Al-Qaeda has them?

I find it quite strange that a Bush-supporting, terror-mongering site would have written that such a thing was possible (but at the hands of Al-Qaeda of course) if the technology didn't exist.

The people at that site certainly have a pro-Bush, pro-terror war agenda but I find this little snippet very interesting. Makes you wonder how on earth (or why on earth) these ex-analysts with ties to the government would dream up such a scenario:

    At the risk of being labeled as a “conspiracy theorist,” my on-line research of open-source documentation has indicated that there is much about these weapons of mass destruction that someone, somewhere does not want disseminated to the general public. Tectonic weapons may just be the weapons of mass destruction that we should fear the most. The effects of this weapon are relatively unknown and speculated upon at best. It is indeed known and accepted, however, that once such a device has been detonated, there is not any way to predict the affects it will have on humans, on our atmosphere, our land, or the entire world. Tectonic weapons exist for one purpose alone, which is the alteration of destruction of the earth’s eco-system and ultimately human life. These weapons are detonated by remote control, and as indicated above, their long-term consequences are unpredictable.

    Whoever is trying to keep these devastating weapons under wraps from the general public can not do so anymore…. credible evidence and exhaustive investigation suggests that these weapons of mass destruction are likely already in the hands of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda Terrorist Network.

    The general public has a right to know what they are, where they are used, what purpose they could serve in the hands of terrorists, and what the consequences could be…..

    Imagine this…. you are sitting in your office, and you hear a news report saying that a major earthquake has just occurred on the West Coast. The epicenter is a few miles off the coastline north of San Francisco . Preliminary reports indicate that there is a possibility that an underwater nuclear explosion might have triggered the quake. Waves breaking along the coastline both north and south of the epicenter are engulfed in flames, burning everything that they touch, and killing hundreds. Would you believe it? Probably not…. but understand this…it can happen…IF a tectonic bomb is detonated on the San Andreas Fault .


They're concerned that these could end up in the hands of Al-Qaeda. I'm more concerned that such toys even exist and are in the hands of the Bush administration. You already know what whatever they want you to think Al-Qaeda has, they have.

I doubt their agenda at that site because it's definitely pro war on terror & pro-Bush, but I don't doubt all of their information. And even if you do, don't you find the coincidence rather strange? I'm not buying their "science"- I'm curious about the coincidence that they're even mentioned.

Propagandists don't tend to make up weapons. They tend to work with what they have.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:33 AM
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16. Thank you Tinoire!
I really appreciate your many, highly intelligent, posts and links.


:)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:35 AM
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21. :) Thanks - It's really my pleasure...
That is such a flattering thank you and it really makes me smile after this catastrophic week. Thank you for posting information that makes people think! And thank you for reading my stuff lol.

:hi:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:54 PM
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5. maybe this is why Bush went for a bike ride, just like he read "My Pet
Goat" while Americans were being murdered in NYC ...
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electric-eye Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:20 PM
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6. And if such exists, we can assume "we" have it too, right? Bigger and
better than anyone, right?

Safe assumption?
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:49 PM
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7. kick
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:15 AM
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15. Whoomp there it is!
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 12:15 AM by Tinoire
Welcome to DU electric-eye :hi:

You can bet your soul that if they exist we have them too.


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:02 PM
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10. Just what we need- more whack conspiracy theories
This place has really become a haven for Art Bellites since the election.

I think that 10 year old girl knows more science and has more sense than a lot of posters on this board recently.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:54 PM
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13. Hear, Hear! nt
Sid
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:49 AM
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17. I agree with you.
If terrorists has a weapon capable of causing an earthquake how would they use it?

Assuming it has enormous detonation in the nuclear or near nuclear range, would they try to cause an earthquake with unknown results, or place it in New York Harbor or San Francisco Bay?

Seems a no brainer to me. I question anyone who even thinks they would try for the earthquake.
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Floydian Slip Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:50 AM
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18. of course
Of course they would use it, they are terrorists, its what they do: Use any weapon that is available.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:37 AM
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22. Then you are missing the point
1. The point isn't so much that the terrorists could have it but that these things (may) exist and that if they do, someone has them.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 02:26 AM
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24. amd Worlds could be in collision too
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 02:42 AM by depakid
this claptrap is just contemporary Velikovskyism- and curiously enough, shortly after I wrote that 1st post, the NY Times came out with an article deriding DU for all of these ridiculous threads.

As a longtime poster here, I find it embarrassing- that the site would get written up for, from what I see- is a dramatic increase crackpot posts since the election.

At a time when the far right is battling honest science with phony ideology (any remember Lysenko, people on an other wise reasonable sensible progressive site are playing right into their hands with speculation that demonstrates little but their runaway imaginations and a lack of appreciation of physics and profound limits of engineering.

The way I see it, all these posts do is undermine DU's credibility in other areas where people here actually do have considerable expertise and- as has been amply demonstrated- a good deal more knowledge and common sense than the NY Times.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 03:22 AM
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27. Yes but you already know the NYT is not on our side.
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 03:28 AM by Tinoire
So why should it bother you? This is a grass-roots site built by people who want to take the party away from organs like the NYT which don't represent us. This does. Why be ashamed of our voice? Every voice here is a vote- why stifle them? This is exactly how the Democratic Party has been messing up recently- they try to stifle the voices they don't like and then they're shocked- shocked and cracking eggs all over their foreheads on TV- that they weren't in tune with enough voters to win.

3 years ago, people were accusing us of touting PNAC as a crack-pot theory and look where we our country is now. Admittedly that was based on a wee bit more conjecture (because there was little out on PNAC at the time) but the treatment was the same and people were told "you're embarrassing us with this crackpot theory". Many things that started out as a crackpot theories have already gotten governments in hot water.

When the French government messed up one of its nuclear tests in 78(?)at http://canterbury.cyberplace.org.nz/peace/nukenviro.html">Moruroa and caused a tsunami, they denied for years that they had anything to do with it, and the practical ones kept saying that it was impossible, such technology didn't exist, stop with the conspiracy theories, embarrassing that people could even suggest such things etcetera, etcetera. People refused to drop the issue and the government ended up having to make a semi confession. Now the military vets present have begun speaking up (http://www.aven.org/main/presentation.htm) but to this day all the details about what happened there, over 30 years ago are still classified. There's a confession but the details are classified. That was 30 years ago but even now the incident is barely known and barely talked about.

Talking is what makes these things come out. So I'll take the embarrassment over being part of the complicit cover-up any day. The New York Times, thank God, does not represent me and I see no need to conform that what they might or might not like. I certainly have no intention of representing them.

They have their own share of crackpot theories to apologize for. Their big hoolaballoo about WMDs immediately springs to mind so intead of worrying about some editorial a DLC rep, a conservative whatever, or a Republican wrote them, they would do well to worry more about the lies they propagated before the war, apologize to the American people, and pen a personal apology to the Iraqi people.

I'll take DU's little "crackpot" theories anyday. Unlike the cover-ups and lies of "respectable" organs like the New York Times, DU's theories don't get millions of people killed.

There's a part of me that sees your point and could even agree with what you're saying but not now, not in these times. If there was ever a time to question everything, it's now. This is my voice. The real voice of democracy. There's no cause to be ashamed of it.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 04:54 AM
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30. PNAC wasn't a crackpot theory
it was a doctrine (or agenda) advanced by a certain segment of all too real people. It was well documented in writing and responsible people should have taken it seriously- even if it is, in and of itself ludicrous. So was Mein Kampf. I take the American Enterprise Institute, Heritage and CATO at their word, even though from a public policy standpoint, these people are often disingenious and intellectually dishonest. I know damn well what their aims are- and what they have been for decades. It's easy to see how their mechanizations have worked.

However, there's a difference between social science and hard science. A moment magnitude 9 earthquake at this location wasn't and cannot possibly be caused by any of these (and I'll say it again) crakpot theories. Science- unlike social science or economics- doesn't leave that sort of wiggle room. The calculations are what they are.

It's objective stuff- and you either have some knowledge of how it works- or you don't.

I don't disagree with you (obviously) about the Times and the so called mainstream media in general. Before I got the good sense to stop watching TV "news" I heard more outragegous and dishonest things than I've ever heard here. Watch CNN for an hour and count the uncontroverted lies. It's impressive.

Once, while convincing an old girlfriend and her family to stop watching CNN (Woodruff & Blitzer's shows were really upsetting them) we sat down counted 17 in one hour, wrote them down- and then went back and did the fact checking. After seeing credible sources- and seeing the lies right there on paper- they stopped watching it. No one likes being lied to.

Similarly, as a person with some apreciation of the science, I'm not partial (to say the least) to posts that I know to a scientific certainty are bogus. This being an open forum, I typically ignore them and let folks have their fun unless they have some impact on the public health- in which case, I (and others) feel the need to set the record straight- or at least set out the science.

Unfortunately, as I've mentioned, since the elction, the sheer number of these types of thread has proliferated- and with respect to the quake, have gotten out of hand. That's just my observation and opinion of course - others may differ. I haven't exactly kept count.

The way I look at it is that these threads- much like tabloid headlines- grab attention. Someone writes a thoughtful piece citing credible science or serious political or economic theory, and it drops like a rock.

Admittedly, those aren't the easiest pieces to read- and it's hard to make them fun. But when something as serious as a mjor disaster comes along, it seems to me like we all ought to be trying to create some understanding, rather than soapboxing for our favorite "magic bullet."

</sermon>

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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 04:51 PM
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35. well said Tinoire.
and let's not forget that election fraud was a laughable 'CT' only just a few years ago...

Trust no one except the ones who have nothing to gain and everything to lose by speaking out on 'touchy' subjects.

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satori Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 07:52 AM
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32. If it just junk then why do members of the U.S. Congress review it?
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 08:02 AM by satori
If all this is clearly just the rantings of phony ideologies then… why do the following organizations review some of the same Center for Defense Information's material, that I use as a source? For example I linked to http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/5503-5.cfm for an article about how Russians planted "tectonic weapons" in the mountains of Afghanistan and CDI gives that same information thru publications and its services to policy makers around the globe see http://www.cdi.org/about/index.cfm

About CDI

Mission Statement

Through a variety of publications and services, CDI provides information and analyses to policy-makers around the globe – including the U.S. Congress, government, international agencies, the media and the public. On television, radio, the Internet, and in print, CDI serves as an authoritative, impartial monitor of global security issues, while continuing to meet the increasing worldwide demand for information and independent ideas.

The Center for Defense Information is dedicated to strengthening security through: international cooperation; reduced reliance on unilateral military power to resolve conflict; reduced reliance on nuclear weapons; a transformed and reformed military establishment; and, prudent oversight of, and spending on, defense programs.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:44 AM
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23. Human Engineered Earthquakes/ Tesla....Google:Tesla, J.P. Morgan

Human Engineered Earthquakes

Ray Bilger | December 28 2004
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/281204humanengineered.htm

FLASHBACK: Iran earthquake triggered by HAARP?

Let's now explore what has been, and what is being done in the area of geophysical manipulations. The primary focus here will be human-induced earthquakes, as this is a main area of Elite interest. This is, of course, because earthquakes are so profound and have the most dramatic effects for purposes of controlling populations. Most people may never comprehend the fact that human beings have the capability to produce such things, or that humans would ever do such things to each other. So, when an earthquake occurs, very few would ever even think of asking, "Was that natural or man-made?" Actually, now that we have progressed into a higher level of activity with respect to Earth Changes, it becomes increasingly more difficult to know which is which. In some places the ground seems to be shaking all the time!

As you will recall, in Part V of this series, we mentioned Nicola Tesla's 'Controlled Earthquakes of 1935,' labelled by Tesla as "the art of telegeodynamics." Tesla was able to cause "rhythmical vibrations to pass through the Earth with almost no loss of energy," and he could "convey these mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds of unique effects."

The author has little information on developments over the forty years following 1935, yet something must have been happening because, as mentioned in Part IX of this series, a Senate sub-committee hearing, chaired by Senator Claiborne Pell, stated that: "We need a treaty now...before the military leaders of the world start directing storms, manipulating climates and inducing earthquakes against their enemies." Senator Pell would not have spoken these words in 1975 about inducing earthquakes unless he had some knowledge that such technology existed.

Also, reported in Part IX of this series, on December 10, 1976, the General Assembly of the United Nations approved the 'Convention of the Prohibition of Military or any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques,' and issued a report. Again, such a report would not have been issued if there were not technology in place capable of environmental modification, including the ability to induce earthquakes.

The June 5, 1977, New York Times described the great earthquake which destroyed Tangshan, China on July 28, 1976, and killed over 650,000 people.

Just before the first tremor at 3:42 am, the sky lit up like daylight. The multi-hued lights, mainly white and red, were seen up to 200 miles away. Leaves on many trees were burned to a crisp and growing vegetables were scorched on one side, as if by a fireball.

Some investigators believe these electrical effects were associated with electromagnetic plasma and ball lightning and the strange array of flashes which result from Tesla-style technology and /or HAARP-like transmissions. Was this brilliant flash of colored light what Tesla was talking about in 1935 when he mentioned "all kinds of unique effects©˜"? Was this earthquake just a test of the system, conducted on the unsuspecting people of China? It certainly does not appear that it was a natural earthquake.

In January of 1978, Dr. Andrija Puharich, MD, LL.D, issued a detailed research paper entitled 'Global Magnetic Warfare - A Layman's View of Certain Artificially Induced Unusual Effects on The Planet Earth During 1976 and 1977.' In his paper, Dr. Puharich stated, "Of the many great earthquakes of 1976, there is one that demands special attention - the July 28, 1976 Tangshan, China earthquake."

The January 1978 edition of Specula magazine ran an article which described an incredibly profound phenomenon that could be produced within the Earth by what is called the 'Tesla Effect.' According to the article, electromagnetic signals of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the Earth to form standing waves in the Earth itself. In certain cases, coherence to this standing wave can be induced wherein a fraction of the vast, surging electromagnetic current of the Earth itself feeds into and augments the induced standing wave. In other words, "much more energy is now present in the standing wave that the ...amount being fed in from the Earth's surface." By interferometer techniques, giant standing waves can be combined to produce a focused beam of very great energy. This can the be used to produce earthquakes induced at distant aiming points.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 02:34 AM
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25. a bright flash of light, sonic-type rumbling and house-shaking vibrations.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200412/s1258417.htm

Last Update: Monday, December 6, 2004. 7:46am (AEDT)

NSW coast awakes to mystery lights, rumbling
Residents along the New South Wales coast are reporting some strange occurrences this morning - a bright flash of light, sonic-type rumbling and house-shaking vibrations.
They are said to have occurred about 4:00am AEDT with reports coming into the ABC from Coffs Harbour to Wollongong.
One caller, Dorothy, from the small rural settlement of Taylor's Arm inland from Macksville, told the ABC Mid-North Coast Breakfast program of her experience.
"I'd only just got out of bed and I was looking out a northerly facing window and to me it just lit up the hills," she said.
"It didn't seem to come out of the sky like lightning does. I thought, oh dear, am I seeing correctly.
"I thought it might have been a vehicle light's flashing, but it was too much of a flash for that and it may have been five minutes later that there was a low rumble."
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satori Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 03:04 AM
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26. Geologist-Earthquakes associated with a aerial light and noise
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 03:13 AM by satori
BRIGHT SKIES
Part 1
By Harry Mason
Geologist/Geophysicist

My research into this subject began about two years ago in early 1995. A geologist colleague and friend, John Watts of geo-science consultants Mackay & Schnellman and Associates, asked for my opinion of earthquake risk in an isolated area of the Eastern Goldfields of Western Australia. John knew of my long experience in the region, conducting geological and geophysical field exploration surveys there for gold mineralisation - hence the approach to myself for scientific advice.

Many observers reported that the fireball passed over making a pulsed roaring noise, similar to a very loud road train diesel engine, and that after the seismic wave hit they heard a huge long drawn out explosion - similar to a very major, but long drawn out, mine blast - but somehow peculiarly different.

The Kamchatka Peninsular in Siberia was the site of the infamous KAL 007 incident. Recent research by David Pearson published in his book "KAL 007: the COVER - UP") concerning this 747 jumbo jet shoot down by the Soviets suggests that KAL 007 was attempting to gain intelligence on a very large transmitter site located in the central part of the peninsular. It has been suggested by Japanese journalists (Archipelago Magazine)) and an American scientific researcher (Tom Bearden) that this Kamchatka transmitter is one of a worldwide series of former Soviet electro-magnetic weapons transmitter complexes.

Harry Mason, BSc, MSc, MAIMM, MIMM, FGS, is a UK-born geologist/geophysicist, resident in Perth, Western Australia. His 30-year career in mineral exploration has had him stationed all over the world, including Alaska, India, Norway, Mexico, Morocco, Sudan and UK.
He has extensive field experience in geo-recce, geological mapping, geophysics/geochemistry, prospecting, remote-sensing/computer imaging technologies, and seismic and electromagnetic studies. He specialises in the geology and resource exploration of WA's Eastern Goldfields. Lately he has been devoting his private time and expertise to researching mysterious Australian outback phenomena of possibly natural and/or man-made origins.

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/secret/brightskies.html
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 03:55 AM
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28. Thanks Satori!
Your posts are superb. Great work.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 04:13 AM
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29. Heh...
The Kamchatka Peninsular, you say?
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 06:16 AM
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31. Indonesian towns were frightened with a series of loud explosions...

...Residents of Jakarta and two other neighboring Indonesian towns were frightened with a series of loud explosions on December 18th overnight. Western special services warned Jakarta of possible terrorists acts in the country on Christmas Eve. The police, however, did not find any destruction either in Jakarta, or near it. Local television channels reported that several people had seen some objects, possibly meteorites, falling down from the sky. There were no meteorites found in the area either.

The Indonesian Air Force confirmed the meteorite origin of the above-mentioned explosions in Jakarta: radars registered an unidentified flying object, which was falling down on the ground at a very high speed. Astronomers supported the space version too:
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http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/14754_asteroid.html
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satori Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:58 AM
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33. World renowned scientist-The Earth as a weapon in 21st Century of Wars
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 10:01 AM by satori
Third World Network
The Earth as a weapon in 21st Century of Wars
By Rahab S Hawa

While scientists, governments and concerned groups worry about increased industrial emissions of greenhouse gases and its effects on the planet, the role of the military in climate change has been ignored.

‘When environmental crises occur, it is usually only the civilian economy that is called upon to rectify the balance, while military programmes are rarely taken to task,’ says Dr Rosalie Bertell, renowned scientist and nuclear activist.

At the Peoples’ Health Assembly in December 2000 in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Dr. Bertell revealed to a shocked and incredulous audience that ‘the latest weapons in the arsenal of the US military is Planet Earth itself ... and weather will be one of the worst destructive weapons by the year 2025’.

Dr. Bertell was referring to how engineered earthquakes and tornadoes could wreak havoc on populations and nations.

http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/hawa2.htm
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 04:30 PM
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34. If NYT is trying to debunk...just gives more creedence to the FACTS. kick
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 05:00 PM
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36. ... weapons systems that "will be different from what anyone else has".
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 05:03 PM by evolvenow
Russia Vows To Keep Its Nuclear Superpower Status

A robust deterrenceMoscow (AFP) Dec 24, 2004
Russia will keep pace with the United States in nuclear weapons technology but not in the size of its strategic arsenal, Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov said Friday according to Interfax news agency.

"In a long historical perspective, nuclear parity will be preserved not only with the United States but also with the other countries with nuclear arms," he was quoted as saying.

"I have no doubt about that."
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Defence officials have said Russian President Vladimir Putin was referring to the Topol-M earlier this month when he claimed Russia was developing weapons systems that "will be different from what anyone else has".
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/icbm-04i.html
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satori Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:41 AM
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37. Bhopal disaster expert -Background on the HAARP Project
Background on the HAARP Project
Earthpulse Press
November 5, 1996
By Rosalie Bertell
PhD, GNSH

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/envronmt/weapons.htm

Dr. Bertell directed the International Medical Commission - Bhopal which investigated the aftermath of the Union Carbide disaster in Bhopal, and of the International Medical Commission - Chernobyl, which convened the Tribunal on violations of the human rights of victims in Vienna, April 1996.

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Military interest in space became intense during and after World War II because of the introduction of rocket science, the companion to nuclear technology. The early versions include the buzz bomb and guided missiles. They were thought of as potential carriers of both nuclear and conventional bombs. Rocket technology and nuclear weapon technology developed simultaneously between 1945 and 1963. During this time of intensive atmospheric nuclear testing, explosions at various levels above and below the surface of the earth were tried. Some of the now familiar descriptions of the earth's protective atmosphere, such as the existence of the Van Allen belts, were based on information gained through stratospheric and ionospheric experimentation.

The military implications of combining these projects is alarming. Basic to this project is control of communications, both disruption and reliability in hostile environments. The power wielded by such control is obvious. The ability of the HAARP / Spacelab/ rocket combination to deliver very large amount of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via laser and particle beams, are frightening. The project is likely to be "sold" to the public as a space shield against incoming weapons, or , for the more gullible, a devise for repairing the ozone layer.

According to Defence News, April 13 - 19, 1992, the US deployed an electromagnetic pulse weapon (EMP) in Desert Storm, designed to mimic the flash of electricity from a nuclear bomb. The Sandia National Laboratory had built a 23,000 square metre laboratory on the Kirkland Air Force Base, 1989, to house the Hermes III electron beam generator capable of producing 20 Trillion Watt pulses lasting 20 billionths to 25 billionths of a second. This X-ray simulator is called a Particle Beam Fusion Accelerator. A stream of electrons hitting a metal plate can produce a pulsed X-ray or gamma ray. Hermes II had produced electron beams since 1974. Thes devises were apparently tested during the Gulf War, although detailed information on them is sparce.

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