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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 05:14 AM
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CNN Analysis of Tenet Falling on Sword
Very interesting.

They are certainly giving this the attention it deserves.

Brief clip of Lou Dobbs talking to Dean, who said:
"It's beginning to sound a little like Watergate. They start throwing people over the side, but the deeper you go, the more interesting it'll be. It's very clear that it may be George Tenet's responsibility, but that information also existed in the State Dept, it also existed in the VPs office, so they will not get away with simply just throwing George Tenet over the side."

The various talking heads seem to be enjoying this...hmmm...
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:22 PM
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1. Downplaying Democrat Attack
The corresponent was downplaying this being a political game by Dems, there are in fact serious issues at hand. I was pleased with CNN reporting.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:31 PM
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7. A good question just asked by the anchor
Daryn Kagan just asked who was pushing to keep the false statement IN the SOTUS. All we've heard about is who was supposed to be keeping it out, but her implication is that someone obviously wanted it to be kept in, despite knowing it was false. Good one, for a CNN anchor.
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:34 PM
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9. That expression seems to be quite popular
I recall Pat Buchanan said it too. They kept it in, but who PUT in it? Maybe a talking point for our side?
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:22 PM
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2. This is indeed interesting
I've been on my computer pretty much all day. We all need to keep informed, and be ready to react in whatever ways can be useful. We can't let this die.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:35 PM
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10. Welcome to DU, Sliverofhope ! glad that you've joined us....


:hi:

:toast: :toast: :toast:
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:23 PM
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3. The 'ship of state'
is only one where the more you throw overboard, the quicker you sink.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:24 PM
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4. Let's hope they smell blood in the water
and their noses for scandal (i.e. money) will keep this thing alive.
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:27 PM
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6. Good point
We should make a point of supporting the media that goes into this. Help it sell as it were. Voting with dollars.
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:25 PM
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5. Tenet is a coward
He should resign and be compelled to testify, under oath, in front of a Congressional committee. He is nothing less than a coward, and this is nothing less than a cover-up.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:19 PM
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17. Agreed, but allow me to add...
...he is stupid. He has been set up, and he is too stupid to know what to do to not be the scapegoat. UNLESS he knows enough to know he will be vindicated in the end....

Hell -- he knows, just as we do -- that this is, at best, the intelligence was selectively filtered by the Rummy/Wolfowitz cabal -- I just want to know to what degree he was a part of it.

This is all bullshit -- they have him and Tony Blair in some fucking technicality -- and they think it is going to make them appear infallible.

So -- smirky has lost his bluster about his infallibility and is now playing the Reagan defence: "I did not know what was going on! Yeah yeah, that's the ticket!"

Eventually, it is going to boil down to smirky having to make a choice: do you want to be known as an incompetent, or as a wily bastard who tried his darnedest to pull off a lot of crazy shit but got caught. He'll probably opt for being seen as incompetent -- after all, it saved Reagan (although Reagan, IMHO, was truly impaired by Alzheimer's and may not have known what the Bush Cabal Cadets were carrying out hiding behind him).

(Sideline: President Reagan cannot be expected to live much longer due to his horrific illness. Smirky has managed to at least pretend to have assumed the current Mantle of Magnificent Leadership, and doesn't have to pay tribute to Reagan anymore. Exrtremist thugs now call themselves "Bush" Republicans, not Reagan Republicans, and there is no jockeyingamong them for assuming the role of continuing the Reagan Revolution. Nancy and Reagan loyalists HATE smirky, and are not going to allow him to try to usurp the public adoration that the Gipper enjoyed. Just WATCH what is going to ensue, dear friends. It may turn out that the moderate Republicans are who finally achieve the defeat of the smirkista radicals, not the Democrats....)
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:21 PM
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18. Coward or do he and George have mutually incriminating dirt
on each other, regarding 9/11?

Why wouldn't George deep six a Clinton nominated CIA director if he was really at fault for such a major error? If this administration was clean, why wouldn't this be an opportunity for a high profile firing and (by association) bashing of Clinton/Democrats?

And why does Tenet allow himself to be tagged with the damage?

I can only surmise that they need each other and they have a mini-MAD understanding that keeps them both in a mutually enabling relationship.

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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:32 PM
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8. awaiting the 1st "WH in Crisis" logo...
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 09:32 PM by newyorican
bet it won't be FAUXSnooze....
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:39 PM
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11. Has Faux covered this yet?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:18 PM
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16. I couldn't wait...


...so I made one myself.

:evilgrin:
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:26 PM
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20. beautiful...that's a great logo for SLAUGHTERGATE..coming up
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 10:29 PM by amen1234
on all channels....

What did the pResident know, when did he know it ????



did YOU write to your Congress reps on the crisis??

...tell your rep about your concerns...that the CIA admits misleading the pResident about NUCLEAR MATERIALS during post 9-11 National Security emergencies....we must have a FULL Congressional Investigation NOW, to assure OUR Nation's safety.....
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 12:18 AM
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21. The BEST question of all, amen1234.
People, DU friends, it's really up to us!

Write, or CALL THEM!!!

Cite the latest CNN Wolf Blitzer poll. For several days running, this week, it's been horrifically lopsided AGAINST shrub. Repeat - AGAINST. Like, for example: one yesterday in which 95 percent of respondents said it was BUSH, not the Brits or the CIA, that botched this. Or the one the day before that saw 81 percent voting that bush "deliberately misled" as opposed to "making an honest mistake." And the one a day before this, where the question was - should Congress launch an inquiry into bush's handling of the Iraq intelligence, and 91 percent said YES.

The one today I saw posted here, and while I forget the details, it was just more bad news for the White House.

CALL YOUR REPS!!! I did earlier this week, calling both my Senators and my congressman, AND about 12 or 13 other congress and senate people, and cited the 91 percent poll - Dem staffers were interested and actually took notes. The rethug people were muted in their response.

CALL THEM!!! IF THEY THINK WE DON'T CARE, THEY WON'T EITHER!!!

Writing to them is also excellent. Or faxing. Sometimes, in this post-anthrax age, actual letters aren't ever delivered (so I've heard).

This is urgent - PRIORITY ONE!!! We MUST make sure this fire doesn't fizzle and go out.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:43 PM
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12. The smell of the shit in "the bowels of the CIA"
is approaching the fan. It's going to get an enema, not a suppository, this time.

The original "intelligence failure" was the creation of the CIA in 1947, already infected with real Nazis clandestinely recruited and given identities and jobs as Americans working for US national security.

It is that stench, that is so unlike any other, that we're just getting a whiff of.

It's unforgetable.

:puke:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:44 PM
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13. Fresh blood in the water
How long till Rove jerks the chains of the CEO's of the media conglomerates?
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PeakOil2008 Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:04 PM
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15. It may not even matter.
Rove is far from invincible. For far too long, he's enjoyed operating under the illusion that he is some kind of super-intelligent calculating braniac with all the right answers, all of the time. An illusion to some at least. Never to those of us, however, who possessed a keen eye that could cut right through the spin and outright lies to the very real and rotten core behind it all. An informed, critically thinking voting public is Karl Rove's worst nightmare because they would quickly see him for what he really is -- little more than a fib-weaving, cowardly charlatan.

When Bush goes down, Karl Rove's "mystique" will be shattered to pieces, and he will be disgraced and shunned even among his own party.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:03 PM
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14. Dean is spot on, again....
Dean -- who is no pacifist, despite the way he is portrayed on state-sponsored television -- oppsed the invasion of Iraq because he didn't buy smirky's justification for it. He saw right through it -- just like we did.

We took our chops when we were told by state-sponsored media that the war was an unambiguous magnificent triumph welcomed by grateful Iraqis -- not that ever bugged me, because I knew I was right. Didn't bother Dr Dean, either. We have since been vindicated.

Howard Dean is running for President -- but, in my view -- he is not saying these things because some focus group thinks it will "work" among Americans -- this is what the guy actually thinks. This is no political whore with a finger to the wind -- this is an intelligent patriot sounding the alarm. His calling bullshit on smirky is what is winning him support -- and he is specific in what he goes after. This is no Alpha Male game for Dean -- he's the Real Thing.

Dean is not fooled by this latest foolishness -- and neither are we.

We all know -- regardless of the outcome of the election of 2004 and who you may personally support as a prez candidate -- that Dr Dean is prescient in calling this a "Watergate." Sooner or later, the scum will float to the top.

I say, or rather declare, from the depths of my soul -- despite my abhorence to this administration -- I am NOT on a witch hunt to bring them down because of "party loyalty" -- that is bullshit -- I am doing it because of my loyalty for my country! I see serious crimes being committed, a pattern of secrecy which conceals creepy agenda and lack of accountability, and a foreign policy, and a domestic economic and social policy -- that has lead our beloved nation to ruin, and ever greater ruin. Given the present course -- I don't see a hope of positive transformation; we have to oust the smirkistas, and mopping up after them is going to be a major task....

Dean is advancing as a candidate not because he is some "silly Ben and Jerry outrageous hippy liberal" -- WHICH IS BULLSHIT! -- but because he is calling the smirkistas on their bullshit, and the statements that he has made -- which they have attempted to ridicule him about -- have turned out to be prescient.

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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:23 PM
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19. good, they aren't dropping this one
it looks like the media isn't just going to say "OK it was his fault, now let's forget this"
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