I wish DU'ers would focus on getting rid of Republicans in their states

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

rather than getting rid of the Democratic governor in my state. Many of the problems in California regardless of fault have to do with the energy crisis (not solely but it did begin the budget woes and is a large chunk of it). The budget we have was signed BY REPUBLICANS AS WELL AS DEMOCRATS including increases in spending.

One can legitimately not like Davis and feel he is incompetent.

What nobody who favors recalling Davis has explained to me is how this will make a rat's ass bit of difference in California's current financial problems.

[gWbush is Mabus]

1. and...

It will be hell if Dean takes the WH and Repugs still control BOTH houses of Congress.

We need to get more Democrats in Congress too!!!

[TheUnionDemocrat]

2. I don't know about the current crisis...

...but I have a good idea how his 20% rating would effect the national party and our nominee for President come 2004. It wouldn't be pretty.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. How would it? He wasn't popular when California sent GORE to DC

and wasn't governor when California sent Clinton to DC TWICE...so please elaborate on your infinite wisdom which doesn't seem to have a basis in reality given my last cite.

[TheUnionDemocrat]

6. Coattails...

...ever heard of them? They run both ways.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. I already demonstrated they didn't.

If Davis coattails are so long then why did he manage to sqeak out an election while Republicans continues to lose their grip in the California assembly and senate and lose every major election for statewide office.

Again, you post and speak in platitudes that seem to have no bearing in reality. The day you argue with logic and actual facts, I will publicly eat a shoe on DU.

[salin]

35. There were no gubenatorial coatails from Pete Wilson

when I lived in California and Clinton was re-elected. And Wilson was MORE popular than Davis.

I found California voters interesting that way. Not quite as consistent straight ticket or consistent ticket (re: vote for a dem but then vote for ultraconservative ballot measures - not an uncommon pattern).

[Terwilliger]

9. Your dislike of Davis is mind-boggling

he's EXACTLY the kind of conservative Democrat you seem to like

[poskonig]

3. We're cleaning house in Illinois.

We booted the old corrupt rethug governor, and will easily send another Democratic Senator to the Congress in '04. The Republican Party here is in shambles and will eventually be ground to dust. :)

[asjr]

4. republicans

I wish we could get rid of Bill Frist. Lamar Alexander will go along with Frist on anything.

[SharonAnn]

33. Yes, let's get rid of Frist, Alexander, Duncan, et al.

Anyway, we got rid of Van Hilleary by getting him to run for governor and then beating his ass! Bredesen (Dem) is turning out to be one outstanding governor!

Bredesen, and new party chair Randy Buttons, are building up the Democratic Party in Tennessee. A ways to go yet, but we've got to get rid of our two Republican Senators. Frist is just awful! And, as you said, Alexander does whatever Frist does.

In some cases, where I don't think we have much of a chance to get rid of a Republican office-holder here in Tennessee, I contribute to one somewhere else. Heck, a Democratic representative or Senator from any state is good for all of us.

Having said that, our Rep. Jimmy Duncan (R), is a tru conservative - voted against war in Iraq, against some of the tax cuts, etc. Not perfect but I guess he's not all bad.

[Sandstorm]

8. Good God! Where would I start?

They're all Republicans here!

[northofdenali]

10. Sandstorm, so is my state - so we start local -

then statewide - then national - and that's exactly why I jumped on the Tony Knowles for Senate bandwagon yesterday. Our 2-term centrist Dem governor just announced he will go against Lisa Murkowski in '04. He has a strong chance, and would be the first Dem Alaskan in federal office in a generation.

Start local.

Gray Davis inherited much of the California budgetary problems, and the * misAdministration compounded them with their underhanded energy industry manipulating. It will be a shitstorm for sure if/when he is recalled - and I don't think it's one the Repukes really are ready for.

At any rate, I'm ass deep in local/state Dem party politics, and although I really want to see another Dem majority in the House/Senate, I only have so much energy to go around.

nsma, I'm with you 100% - gee, we always seem to agree politically :D

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Thanks! And somebody near and dear to me was on Tony Knowles staff!

I wish him success and hope he rehires her in this venture.

[northofdenali]

12. Tony's a good guy. I'm hoping his ex-Lt. Gov, Fran Ulmer

runs for Gov again in '06. People here are really, really getting pissed at Frank the Bank Murkowski (idiots elected him, tho) and hence, with name recognition, at Lisa.

Tony, however, has one fault - he wants to open ANWR. But I think he knows that, with the nation against it, it's a good election point for him but will have no legs in the Senate.

[AmyStrange]

13. Done...

A Seattle DUer at your service,


Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

Bush and WMDs:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762



Dave (AmyStrange.com)

DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

[LWolf]

14. Agreed.

I legitimately don't like Davis. I don't know about incompetent; I just think he has a different agenda than I do. I haven't blamed him for the energy debacle or the budget mess; I know where they both started, and it wasn't with Davis. He should finish his term. I helped put him there, I'll put up with him.

The republicans do not give a shit what happens to our state on the way to their little recall party. The current budget stalemate....I don't have words to describe the anger, concern, and frustration I feel.

California needs to be rid of these repubs. I'm putting together a letter to my local reps re the budget mess this weekend; I keep doing it, even though it is an exercise in frustration. It would be a cold day in hell when Pete Knight and/or Sharon Runner put forth a bipartisan effort to solve a problem.

And now, what repub inclined to actually pass a budget would? They've been warned that any vote for a tax increase will result in funding for an opponent when their term is up.

:grr:

[Forkboy]

15. At this point

I'd be happy just to get rid of the ones on DU :D

[DS1]

16. This entire Davis recall thing is a pipe-dream

The Republicans have convinced people that if they get a person in power, a near 40 Billion dollar deficit will disappear! NO! There's nothing magical about budgets, there's nothing magical about Governors.

Switching Governers mid-shitstorm will equal half-Governor riding out the remainder of said shitstorm. Actually, it's more than likely 1/3rd Governor riding out said shitstorm becuase mid-shitstorm he'll replace all those that know about shitstorms with his pals that know shit about shitstorms, and they'll end up raining shit upon those that wished the shitstorm would disappear.

Shit.

[Dob Bole]

17. I'll try..

We just got Republicans in my state (Georgia) Before that, we hadn't had a Repuke governor in over 130 years!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

18. I know! I still have an issue with the way Cynthia McKinney was

treated by the Dems in your state. She was a fierce voice against what private nilitary corps and mercinaries were pulling in other countries.

It's hard to believe the state that gace us Jimmy Carter gave us Purdue but then again my state gave America Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon...hopefully the last statement should give you hope! ;-)

BTW I was clear this AM that you weren't advocating Davis resigning but for the worry of a Repub replacing him. In a field of several other candidates, I doubt it will occur.

[DS1]

19. The single most thing that irks me about the DC protest Oct 26

is that Cynthia McKinney walked RIGHT BETWEEN a pack of DUers, Will, Mike Malloy, Kathy (MalloyProducer), Matcom, Lynnesin, and myself, and none of us realized it in time to stop her and congratulate and thank her for asking the questions that needed to be asked.

She was on her way up front to make a speech. She's very short, if you needed to ask.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. Thanks for sharing

oh and I meant to tell you in that other thread that I WOULD like a piece of chocolate.

BTW, I am SOO fucking jealous that all those DU'ers got to meet you and I didn't...we coulda had some fun! :D

[JohnKleeb]

24. I was there that fine day I doubt I saw you guys

I wasnt anywhere near the front. I was all alone except I was with my dad. You guys wouldnt wanna hang out with a teen anyhow and besides I was a relative new back then.

[Clete]

20. It's a fascist plot by the fascist GOP.

They want to put California into a state of chaos so that our influence is diminished in the national elections. As the fifth largest economy in the world and being amongst the most left wing politically, they can't let us be strong as we have in the past. Follow the energy crisis dots and it all ends up in the WH. I wish someone could get hold of Issa's telephone and email records and I'll bet the lines have been buzzing between Washington and his office for months now.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. they want a Repub governor and electronic voting so they can pull

another Jebbie

[jiacinto]

23. Many DUers like to defeat Democrats who aren't Marxists

Don't you know that? Because most Democrats aren't 100% to the far left some people would rather have Republicans in office.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

26. LOL! Actually Carlos...the for him to resign has come from

mostly moderates and centrists along with the DU libertarian contingent who has also never had to prove a track record in government.

[jiacinto]

27. But does it surprise you

Don't you see that many members in other states work to defeat Democrats?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

28. IN many of those states Dems have worked to defeat themselves

by acting like Republicans. In fact, to a large degree that is Davis' problem. When the farmworker bill came up to sign he hesitated due to his centrist bent. IT nearly cost him BIG TIME to do so as Bustamante pulled his support from Davis. Therein lies my point.

Actual Du'ers and actual Democrats should put their energies into balancing out that divide in their states. I'll put my energy in mine. But the problem was my governor tried to go from the center in dealing with the energy crisis and ended up committing us to contracts the FERC is now saying we have the dury to honor.

[jiacinto]

36. That misses the point

Every day there is a thread by someone who says "they can't vote Democratic" or that people should vote against (insert name of elected Democrat) here.

[salin]

39. The problem, as I see it

is that this is a different groups of dem joining in the "Get Davis Out" choir. THus - dems are getting bashed from the left and right (meaning center) flank of the party. Both sides (more liberal and more centrist) seem to join in - when the dems they personally don't like are the target. Hence some DUers attacked McKinney while others attacked (and still do) Zell Miller. Different DUers - but similar behavior. If you are going to point fingers, try not to do it at one section of the party, but perhaps at the disunity throughout.

[LiberalLibra]

25. Notice, I haven't commented at all on the Davis recall BECAUSE....

.....pure and simple, the worst Democrat is better than the best republican.

[benddem]

29. Getting rid of Republicans

Every election year since I've had money I've tried to support candidates who run against some of the worst of the Reptiles. Strom, Jesse, Newt...etc etc. BUT my $25.00 didn't do much. Last election great guys ran against Toxic Tom Delay and a whole host of the others. But they didn't have money. I can't afford to really support some of these guys But what if we started a campaign on DU and other boards to get everyone to send a Buck or two to these guys. Yesterday there was a commentary to get people to send $5.00 a month to candidates.
BUT the Send a buck to get rid of Tom Delay could work. His opponent needs money. :kick:

[goobergunch]

30. I'll probably volunteer for Wofford's campaign...

or whoever runs against Gerlach in PA-06.

[tnlefty]

31. I wish DU'ers would help get rid of the repubs in my state, too!

I'm trying, but it's not working. I've never voted for Frist, nor Thompson nor his plaid-shirted replacement, nor the former gov. Sundquist, nor my rep., nor my state rep. or sen., nor the county commissioner! I could use some help!!!

I haven't commented on Davis 'cause I think he's getting a raw deal.

[buddhamama]

32. it has no value

except to make a very expensive point--that they don't like the guy.

it's hurtful to democracy,imho. the citizens of CA voted for the guy--agree or not--and unless he broke the law or something DEAL. and as you say NSMA, it's not going to make a damn difference. the money being spent on the recall effort could though. think of the help those big bucks could have given to people who are really suffering because of the economy.

[election_2004]

34. I'm in Wisconsin

We've got Doyle in the Governor's Mansion, and Kohl and Feingold in the U.S. Senate.

All Democrats.

However, Doyle has been doing an atrocious job with the state budget, and I doubt he'll be reelected in 2006 unless he can pull a rabbit out of a hat pretty soon.

[Cheesehead]

37. Doyle got railroaded into the "read my lips" thing

to get elected and some needed services here in Wisco are about to take a bite as a result. There are some real Repugant Repugs in the state legislature that need to be aggressively challenged next election.

[election_2004]

38. i agree

The Republican majority in the legislature needs to be axed.

But Doyle is really going to have to reevaluate his policies if he wants to prevent the Governor's Mansion from falling back into Republican control in 2006.

I wish he'd take a cabinet position in 2005, so Barbara Lawton could take over.