Morality?

[Arroyo]

I'm getting sick and tired of all this talk from Democrats about how they can win over the medieval Christian voters in this country. For heaven's sake - and I do mean for heaven's sake, and earth's sake, and people's sake - why don't we concentrate on how we can move these Neanderthals over to the morality of the rest of the world? The rest of the world sees that these people are fundamentally immoral and, frankly, psychotic. Why on earth is anyone talking about moving over to their side? Enough!!! Can we have some sanity here? The rest of the world realizes that the Bush administration is fundamentally immoral. The real question is what the hell is the matter with this country and these voters? What does it take for them to evolve?

[prof_science]

1. We don't need the fundies.

Of course we don't. If we just counted the freeking votes correctly, we wouldn't need to compromise anything. (um, cause we would have won...)

[FM Arouet666]

2. I agree

We will lose our self respect if we try to alter our core message to appease Christians in hopes of gaining votes. We must be true to our values in the hopes that good Christians will have a conscience in the coming dark age of fundie expression. There are a lot of good Christians, some on this forum, that think the fundie radical movement is bent on destruction. I bet that the average Christian does not agree with fundie ideals and it is this majority that we must convince to join our cause. I suspect that the GOP/Fundie machine will ultimately go too far in moral mandate and alienate this group. We need to be prepared.

[donachiel]

3. Christian voters

Please do not conclude that Christians are all alike. I was born into a Catholic family, went to 12 years of Catholic school and am now raising the last 2 out of 3 daughters (all going to the same school). I've been out of work for 2.5 years and it's getting increasingly hard for my husband and I to make ends meet. If it wasn't for our local diocese helping us, we wouldn't be able to send the girls there. In fact, now there is talk about shutting down our schools because of lack of funding. There is so much at stake in this country because of the way our last 4 years has gone.

At church, they're talking about how many churches are in economic peril and may be closed. I can see why! I can barely afford to put any money on the collection plate these days. I do physically what I can but let's face it. They need money and my family and many others have been hard hit.

Just keep others in mind who are like me when you post about Christian voters. We're not all bad. Don't sink to their line of thinking and start prejudicing people.

[Arroyo]

6. I'm a Catholic and a Christian (of course)

I'm talking about the medieval Christians.

[murielm99]

7. Thank you.

I was raised Lutheran, and went to parochial schools, too.

I minored in theology in college. Anyone who has done real study of doctrine, tradition and the Bible knows that the fundies are not true Christians.

I consider myself a Christian. When I do bash here, it is the fundies I am bashing.

My family has been divided by this issue, too. My parents became born again about thirty five years ago. Nearly every conversation with my father ends with him giving a sermon.

I am done. I told them that their religion has become hateful and angry. I told them that I will no longer have a relationship with me, unless they agree not to discuss religion. They have stopped speaking to me.

I belong to a United Methodist church now. It is a fairly liberal denomination. I disagree with them on gay issues, but I think I can be more effective by working through the church. I hope we do not lose our way.

I hope everyone here understands that my church-bashing is directed only toward fundies.

[murielm99]

4. What does it take for them to evolve?

Hardship.

Real hardship. Let them be homeless and without jobs. I know some of them will still say it is God's will, but the smarter ones will catch on the it is *'s will.

Let their kids volunteer to be cannon fodder in *'s continuing world conquest. That may open a few more eyes.

Maybe some of their evil leadership will die off, too, and not be replaced by such charismatic types. Pat Robertson, for example, is getting on in years. He should be on his way to hell soon. And, they will rake in less money as their followers lose more jobs.

Let * be caught in a few more scandals that he can't sweep out of sight. It is bound to happen sooner or later.

This country will hit rock bottom, and then a few more of them will come around. As for the rest of them, who cares? I have no desire to reach out to them. They can, and will, go to hell.

[KT2000]

5. This is all cover

bush ran a despicable campaign. The swift boat smears were a disgrace. How dare they disparage Kerry's service when awol was nothing but a coked out party boy during the Viet Nam war.

We are supposed to forget the politics of destruction that may have planted doubts in voter's minds. Instead they are throwing out every reason for winning that will advance their agenda - as in everyone better get on board.

They just don't want us scrutinizing the morals of bush and rove.

[Hello_Kitty]

8. Thank you

We did nothing wrong. We were wronged, plain and simple. All this crap about us needing to change our strategy is a distraction from the blatant truth.