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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:20 AM
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The Myth of Bush's Black Vote
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 03:23 AM by noiretblu
http://www.blackcommentator.com/112/112_cover_election.html

CONCEDE NOTHING TO BUSH: BLACK CONSENSUS REMAINS INTACT

A good article about an attempt to manufacture reality.

In mid-October, the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies (JCPES), the venerable Washington-based Black think tank, announced that its 2004 survey of African American opinion showed that 18 percent of respondents “would like to see” Bush win – dramatic “news” that the corporate media snatched up and clutched to their bosoms like the Holy Grail.

When Black voters finally got to speak for themselves on November 2, Bush got 10 or 11 percent of the Black vote, respectively, according to Washington Post and CNN exit polls. The ultra-high profile presence of Condoleezza and Colin, the millions lavished on corrupt Rev. Greedygut preachers, the endless propaganda about a growing “new class” of Black conservatives, the disinformation from the New York Times and, yes, from the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies – all this and more over four years had moved the Black electorate a mere one percent or (maybe) two into the Republican ranks.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:40 AM
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1. a few people seem to believe bush got an increase in black votes
like some were claiming. it seems he did, but hardly a significant increase.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:16 AM
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2. 11%
I think that was the number CNN claimed Bush got on thier exit poll.

That being said, so what exactly are republicans bragging about?

11% is not something to brag about, its nothing.

Now on the other hand according to the CNN poll he got 44% of the Hispanic vote.

Now that is a bit shocking. If Republicans continue to get those kinds of percentages for the Hispanic vote we will have something to worry about. I dont think that will be the case however, but we definately shouldnt ignore Hispanics. I am one, and I dont want to be ignored. :P
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:20 AM
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4. well, that # includes cubans
and of course, many latinos are catholic...he might have snared a few who are against abortion, and probably some against gays.
11%...up from 10% in 2004, and definitely NOT the 18%+ they were crowing about.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:16 AM
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3. that 18% rw-induced panic sure was news here
:kick:
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 05:25 AM
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5. When you deduct all the provisional ballots
which mostly go to poor African-Americans and are therefore mostly tossed, and when you take into account all the other methods and technologies for voter disenfranchisement in poor black communities, the actual percentage of real votes for Bush in black communities at large are probably much closer to the percentages found in the presumably undoctored results from Wards 7 and 8 (more than 90,000 registered voters) in Washington DC.

There, Bush got 3.78% (960 votes) and 3.27% (632 votes) respectively. It is instructive, and more fun, to ignore the Kerry percentages and just look at the results in the Bush column. In precinct after precinct in this church-going community, the Bush results were in 2 percent range.

At precinct 117, with 1,322 registered voters, an astounding 12 people (1.66%) made it over to Turner Elementary School to cast their vote for Bush.

In all of DC, only about 19,000, or 9%, voted for Bush.

Tell me about those 11 or 12 percent for Bush.

Thanks for posting this excellent Black Commentator article, noiretblu. I posted it in the Civil Rights forum in the dungeon last week, but few got down there to read it.


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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 05:32 AM
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7. great!!! the numbers are bogus
i am glad you got some to read this article because the meme of blacks voting for bush is still circulating here...for some reason. probably the same reason we see so many "let's sell-out ______ to attract rw assholes who never votes for democrats anyway"
thanks for your comments, downstairsparts :hi:
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 05:42 AM
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9. Yes, the myths have to be debunked, or they will be repeated
and repeated, and then taken to be true. A scapegoat is needed and who better than African-Americans.

What the mythmakers neglect to consider are the mere 44% of the white votes that went to Kerry.

I have noticed, just from a cursory look at results from urban areas in Virginia, a red state, that the results were similar to those in DC.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 05:51 AM
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10. urban vs. rural...some have mentioned that split as the truest one
and frankly, there isn't enough discussion of the voting patterms of white people here, except in the context of selling out some group or issue to attract more of them. black voters, i am proud to say, came through for humanity again, in spite of all the efforts to suppress our votes, and to manufacture this mythical 18% for *.
i think the quest for votes lies in some other demographic, like the youth vote. they are not as tied to *traditions* as older folks are.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 05:55 AM
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11. I do hope to enjoy a real representative democracy in the US
before I die. I just hope for enough energy in my final years, to keep up the fight.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 05:30 AM
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6. It never made sense to me
why would people vote for someone who is actively disenfranchising them?

Al Sharpton said it best when he declared that the black population realized it was getting shafted by the Republicans and so decided to "jump on this donkey and see how far we could ride it". Guess we're all just sitting on one big ass at this point that's just not taking us anywhere at all.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 05:34 AM
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8. just typical disinformation
surprised? not! :D
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