Kerry as a Steam Locomotive (Look at what the Tender Says)

[WLKjr]

what type would he be right about now????
The Chesapeake & Ohio Railway took delivery of ten 2-6-6-6 locomotives between December, 1941 and January, 1942. These locomotives were designated as Class H-8 and were assigned road numbers 1600 through 1609. They were the first of a new wheel arrangement, the 2-6-6-6, and were given the name "Allegheny" for the mountain range that the C&O crossed.
The Lima built "Alleghenies" were assigned to "coal drag" duty in the Allegheny Division and were used heavily between the Hinton, WV terminal over the mountain to the Clifton Forge, VA terminal. The C&O was so impressed with the performance of its new "Alleghenies" that ten more were ordered with delivery of road numbers 1610 through 1619 coming in September and October of 1942.

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/allegheny/


Here's my theory:

[Not Me]

1. Very interesting that the coal car fueling the engine is "OHIO"

n/t

[WLKjr]

3. awesome, I just caught that

These were used on the C&O railroad for like 10 years in WV and VA on coal drags.

[Melodybe]

2. You are correct, he is a big piece of Iron rolling down Bushco.

However, I think that Kerry's locomotion will be clean and efficient unlike the coal burning kaboose that is Bushco.

[WLKjr]

4. I just thought about that this after noon too

actually these loco's were pretty efficient at the time, seriously. Yeah coal is dirty, but these loco's had a whopping 8000 horsepower and was forced to pull coal trains at 15 miles an hour with 150 cars when it could have pulled 70 cars at 45. It was even fitted for passenger service that was never tested. Rumors have it the train was capable in the 40's of doing well over 100+mph if it would have been used for passenger service.

[amber dog democrat]

5. N&W Y6 class

side elevation



backhead



front view

lots of tractive effort and drawbar capacity. A Kerry - Class engine would have power for the grade no doubt.

For a mixed passenger and freight I would say Kerry would be a Niagra Class from the NYC RR.

[BiggJawn]

7. 152,200 pounds tractive effort, a little over 6,000 horsepower...

on the drawbar...

Now, here's the what Bush would look like if he were a "locomotive"...



Just enough power to get out of it's own way, 2-stroke cranky-as-hell to start engine.....

[WLKjr]

15. Or just a pump car with broken pump handles

not going anywhere...


imagine that one scene from blazing saddles....need I say more :D lol.

[amber dog democrat]

19. Would have loved to see ( and hear ! ) one

climbing a grade with 80 coal cars. Did get to see UP Challenger # 3995 (?) roll through Ausitn a few yeas back. It did a runby at over 50 mph - exhaust dopplering up until it sounded like a tornado and all.... how often does that happen now ?

Cant wait until our 2-8-2 is back in operation !!

[WLKjr]

21. I read somewhere on the internet that CSXT

tossed around the idea of bringing one of those 2-6-6-6's (only two remain in existence)back into service for steam excursions on some routes, I wish they would becuase that would be super cool.

The only real steam train I have ever been on besides teh one at Cedar Point Amus. Park was one at The Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn MI and a couple of regular trips from here in OH to DC on AMTRAK when it was still in service in my area. I liked both, escpecially when my cousin and I were playing with the toilet that made a sucking sound once and the conductor came by and told us to stop. That was great :D

[amber dog democrat]

24. You are looking at well over a million dollars

and 1 or 2 years of mostly volunteer work.
and then the usual maintainance, and inspections.....With a GOOD organization behind it.

.. its is doable - VERY doable . the real question is where can you run this beastie ? Probably won't be allowed to operate it more than say 20 mph...but you will need a few miles of good track and people who know how to fire in steam, drive it and re rail it if she goes off onto the ground, much less all the other skilled folk who understand operations and maintainance. It would be beyond cool if you could do this - and maybe somebody would... another thing to consider is where all that coal smoke will be blowing. We used to get complaints when running out steam engine from people along the track not just about the whistle but also when we would throw a shovel full of sand in the fire box to blow the tubes. I guess it put put a plume of soot that bothered people.

I'd say yes do get one in operation if you can. It'd be like cloning a dinosaur though.
There are lots of things to consider.

We have an 0ld division of over 150 miles to operate on - with some competition with TGS freights but not all that much. ( they may be operating 3 freights a day ).

[WLKjr]

25. I think it would be good to run it on a couple of lines

The old coal drag from WV to VA and down along the Ohio river. Lots of smooth curve track from what I have seen along the Ohio around Portsmouth, OH and Ashland, KY. I think it would be nice to see it along CSX's Big Sandy branch line going south from Ashland towards, I think Corbin KY. It's a line that parralles the Big Sandy River.

Another good one I think would be the old B&O mainline from Toledo, Lima, Sidney, Dayton ( to name a few I know it passes through). An Awesome viaduc bridge in sidney, past the old Lima loco works, man that would be beautiful to watch. I am pretty sure people along that line wouldn't mind a couple of cinders here and there along with some smoke to get a glimpse of nostalgia and a little history.

[WLKjr]

16. C&O 2-6-6-6 "Allegheny" Type Locomotive

Quick specs (ohhhh the power.....):

Wheel Arrangement: 2-6-6-6
Length: 125' - 8"
Drivers: 67" dia.
Weight on Drivers: 504,010 lbs
Locomotive Weight: 775,330 lbs *
Tender Weight: 431,710 lbs
Locomotive & Tender Weight: 1,207,040 lbs
Grate Area: 135 sq ft
Cylinders: (4) 22.5" dia. x 33" stroke
Boiler Pressure: 260 psi
Tractive Effort: 110,200 lbs
Tender Capacity: 25,000 gals. of water and 25 tons of coal.

At 40 MPH they could generate 7,500 HP.


This design was a six-coupled, single-expansion articulated with 67" diameter drivers for speed, a 9' x 15' firebox with a very large boiler for steaming and 778,000 pounds of locomotive weight to assure tractive effort. The large fire box was placed behind the drivers and required a six-wheel trailing truck to support it. This gave the design a wheel arrangement of 2-6-6-6. With four 22.5" diameter x 33" stroke cylinders, a 260 psi boiler pressure and the 67" diameter drivers it could exert 110,200 pounds of tractive effort.

[amber dog democrat]

6. If the Chimp were a piece of rolling stock, this is how I visualize him

http://nt1.foothill.net/rumorweb/

[WLKjr]

13. This is what 4 years of W will do to you

[amber dog democrat]

18. Neo cons are bad for your health.

any questions ? LOL ! :)

[Mountainman]

8. I'm glad to see there are a few train nuts like me on DU.

[amber dog democrat]

9. I just did my first run as a fireman on an old GP 7 ( remade as a 1600 )

last Sunday. Its pretty cool to be calling out the targets and switches and when running BW with the long nose in front calling out "clear into the curve" and "clear around " ) There is nothing like it.

Favorite RR is the old MKT.

[WLKjr]

11. My Favorites are

B&O, C&O, NS, NW, NYC, PRR, and CSX. It's all I ever saw I guess around where I live, but hey, most of them are owned by CSXT anyhow now, (except NS and I think NW)

[WLKjr]

10. I am wanting to get a college internship with CSXT

going to mail them a resume later. I have to get out of retail, it plain out sucks big time. Plus I was told that CSXT will reimberse the 5g college fee to take conductor courses too. I wan't to be a locomotive engineer :D and always have had a fascination with them and politics.

[amber dog democrat]

12. probably would not hurt to start

reading up on the FRA rules. Being an engineer would not be too shabby.
They earn a fair ammount too. I wish you good luck with that for sure.

that'l do.

:)

[WLKjr]

14. Do they even sell books for that

I have never been able to find them anywhere, or am I just looking in the wrong places???

[amber dog democrat]

17. Would they be on line ?

I have my rules book from the outfit I volunteer for , ( and its based on what the Union Pacific uses ) but I would start looking on the Federal Railroad Admin home page to see. Beyond that I have not a clue.

On Ebay, i have purchased a number of older Rules of the Operating Dept for some older roads, but sometimes you can find them from the 70s and beyond.

While many of them are dropped there are a few that won't ever change such as : Do not rely on airbrakes to hold a train - if you are going to leave equipement always set the hand brakes... stuff like that.

A big thing is hours of service are not to exceed 12 hours...

[WLKjr]

20. The hours of service thing

is that per locomotive or crew?

could you list the titles of some of the manuals I will start searching for them, I have like 2 more hours to go before Networking classes start and I have nothing else to do.

[amber dog democrat]

22. Do a search under General Code of Operating Rules on an FRA site

My book date is April 10, 1994. - but its still in effect.

Try this on a FRA web page if you can find it.

I was able to find some stuff not too long ago.

Heading will be things like Movement of Trains and Engines
Block System Rules
Signals and Their use
Switches

stuff like that.

[WLKjr]

23. Kewl Thnx

:D

[amber dog democrat]

26. Hours of service

You can not work more than 12 hours with out an 8 hour lay off or rest inbetween.
- or this is how i understand it.

[BiggJawn]

27. That's the crew...

I was listening to the road channel late one night, and heard an exchange like this:

"Conrail OU812 to the Indianaplois Line Dispatcher..."

"This is Indianapolis, go ahead 812..."

"Look, we're out here stopped on the Main at the 267, and we....Are....OUTLAWED! Now, are you gonna get a relief out here anytime soon, Or do I turn this thing off and go find my OWN motel?"

"We gotta crew here, but we can't get transportation for them. Can't you bring your train down to DX (about 12 miles) and we'll take you from there?"

"What part of Outlawed are you having trouble understanding? We are OUTLAWED, I tell ya! This train ain't moving another INCH under my control...."

And it went on like that for a while until someone got the idea to send the relief out in a taxi....

[WLKjr]

28. I have heard stupid arguments like that before

comming over a hotbox transmission (think, or whatever those silver sheds are). I was at my Great Uncle's house one afternoon and he had a scanner set to pick up on the defect detector out in front of his house, it picks up CSXT radios too. A coal train was stopped outside of Auxier, KY and they were griping about another train that hadn't moved in front of them for some time due to a failure on teh locomotive or something like that.

[BiggJawn]

30. You oughta hear it when the Amtrak comes through...

I think the Yard Boss genuinely loves Varnish...

"Hey, how're doin, 318? Permission through the yard limits, signal indication, bring'er on in!"

[amber dog democrat]

32. Union Pacific has not done that badly - that I know of

But they are running maybe 12 trains a day through here and i do monitor the traffic on a scanner. Your story is too funny, but it a big deal for FRA and the engineer & crew. Even as volunteers we have to watch this carefully - unless we want to get fined.

[BrotherBuzz]

29. Us Californians view Kerry as a 4-8-8-2 cab forward

With the Kerry up front where he belongs so he can see danger ahead and react in a timely fashion.
Here's #4294, now residing in Sacramento, California.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

31. The Prussian State Railways had cab-forwards, too.

..not quite as massive the EsPee...and the firebox is in the back, too.