My impressions of the VP debate (plus, the suspicious video edit)

[PotatoBoy]

Wow. Well, I wasn't as interested in this debate as I was with the presidential debate. That was too damn fun watching Bush squirm!! I have to admit, Cheney is smart and a tough cookie (and also an asshole). I noticed Edwards repeating himself a lot in the same way Bush was in the first debate, and that's definitely not good. However, I noticed Edwards coming on more strongly in the second half of the debate, and Cheney losing ground.

Overall, I think based on substance, I give Edwards 95% and Cheney 5%, cuz I know he's just talking bullshit. But based on debate style and strength, I give Edwards 60% and Cheney 40%.

Now, what was with that broadcast skip?? Right when the moderator asked Edwards about the flip-flop issue, (I was watching NBC) Edwards was responding and there was a skip in the broadcast. It suddenly jumped. What the heck happened?

[JetJaguar]

1. Seven second delay glitch

Just in case Dick started in with the four letter words.

The networks have to cover their asses after the Super bowl
fine thing.:+

[PotatoBoy]

4. Excuse the tinfoil hat I'm wearing, but...

...are you sure it was just a glitch? How come no such glitch happened on the first debate, and only happened once during this one? I think something happened that they had to cut. Maybe Cheney muttered, "Keep laughing, you fucker!" and they had to cut it :)

[JetJaguar]

5. Not sure at all

I saw the same skip you saw.

But my initial post about the 7 sec. delay was in jest.

I would hope debates would be exempt from censorship.

[ThoughtCriminal]

15. Oh, I am so glad me didn't see

Cheney's nipple.

[InfoMinister]

2. He Didn't Repeat Nearly As Bad As Bush

He also wasn't nearly as nervous as Bush either. When he did mess up he had good humor about it such as the "non-Kerry" question. Kerry succeeded in making Cheney look pretty dirty with the Halliburton stuff and Cheney flat out lied to the American people when he said it wasn't true.

Cheney repeated the war record stuff a lot. Edwards should have defended that a lot more because Cheney voted to cut those budgets after the cold war and most of the claims they use against Kerry are his records on voting for the same cuts Cheney talked about cutting. Edwards did a heck of a lot better talking about the economic issues.

[PotatoBoy]

3. Yes, Edwards definitely did do better with economic/domestic issues - n/t

[wtmusic]

6. It was a draw on style

Cheney is a master of doling out lies like they're just plain common sense. He was more self-assured (slightly).

Edwards blew him away on substance. Does that make a difference to most "ordinary people"?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. "Draw on style"?? "(Cheney) was more self-assured"???....

Were we watching the same debate?

[wtmusic]

8. Edwards stuttered several times

and Cheney didn't stutter once. He is very calm, deliberate.
Many people find this reassuring, and therein lies the danger. He has the uncanny ability to lie his ass off and make it sound like plain-spoken truth.

[lanparty]

9. I heard him stutter ...

But Cheney did have a LOT of pauses a sentence re-starts. He also had a vast array of facial contortions.

Probably the WORST thing was Cheney constantly talking down at the desk instead of at eye level. Thats a dead of:

a) Shyness
b) Lack of self confidence
c) Lying/deception
d) Shame

You make your own decision on what it means in Cheney's case. Perhaps the they were using the "natural sunlight" flourescents and it was stinging his undead pupils!!!!

[Scootman78]

10. Cheney also didn't smile as well as Edwards did

A smile goes a long way to the dumb voters out there.

There were probably some conversations going on around America during the debate that went like this:

Wife: Gee dear, he sure does smile nice doesn't he?

Husband: Yes, you're right honey. I think we should vote for him because he looks like he actually wants to smile. The other guy looks like he's not comfortable when he smiles.

Wife: You're right, we should vote for him. Plus I heard the other guy was involved with Enron's chief executive and that company Haliburton. That's probably not good either, but the smile is the most important thing.


Oy vay. Dumb voters. But we'll take them if it means more votes for Kerry (and less votes for the Chimp).

[lanparty]

11. I think the debate will have little effect ...

... too many parents likely turned it off after their small children cried at the sight of Cheney!!!!

[lanparty]

12. Edwards did a GREAT on the "getting out of the hole" analogy ...

He would have killed if he pointed out the FIRST thing to do when you find yourself in a whole is to stop digging. The current administration is going full-bore with a back-hoe and they call that "turning the corner".

[wtmusic]

17. like that!

There were several missed opportunities. The biggest one in my book was Edwards' failure to remind Cheney of his colossal error of judgement:

"The Iraqi resistance will disappear at the first whiff of gunpowder."

[autorank]

13. They were changing the operating system.

[thecrow]

14. I simply LOVED it when cheney said

"go to factcheck.com"
that is a website owned by Soros.
HAHAHAHA he couldn't even get an internet address right.
LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!
Now everyone will be reading George Soros!
HAHAHAHAHA
My repug boyfriend asked, what was that website"
I told him .... oh, I got it ! :)

[DemBones DemBones]

16. What about Gwen interjecting that Edwards hadn't

answered the question she asked? Little bias, there? :spank:

[bullimiami]

18. tater. i concur.

cheney got the best of him early. but on balance edwards pulled out a stronger performance.

just like i would rank it maybe 60-40 edwards or 55-45.

cheney is a tough hombe and evil to boot. he can lie without a blip on the polygraph i bet.

yes edwards repeated himself a little too much and didnt take an advantage always. im also not crazy about all of the k/e positions.

i think darth cheney made a fool of himself when he had to speak the praises of dumbya.

[gatlingforme]

19. I think Edwards did an EXCELLENT job on all the issues. He brought

out what should have been brought out. If I was to add the fact that he was nervous and did repeat a little - it would be superfluous.
This was his first debate and that should have been a given. His substance trumps how nervous he was.