OMG!! Holy Smoking Guns!!! We must BLANKET the planet with this!!

[ElementaryPenguin]

E-mails within Tony Blair's office proving they were faking and greatly exaggerating evidence to compose their phony Iraq dossier!!!
Incredible!! Blair is finished now!! ChimpCo is in BIG trouble!

http://www.wardrobe.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/words/murder/spin_genocide/

[KoKo]

1. I know EP, but I don't think he will go down.........Much as we hope......

Thanks for the link...........

[Cronus Protagonist]

3. I'm sure he's gone down many times in the school showers

And given many the public school wag a "tony".


Fair & Balanced Buttons — The Cronus Connection

[hippiegranny]

2. do we know for sure this is legit?

cause if it is... holy fuc*ing sh*it batman!

[rocktivity]

7. I know what you mean, Hippiegranny

It's almost too good to be true. This means that 9/11 wasn't an attack, but a preemptive strike!!!


rocknation

On edit: Checked out the home page--it has sections for transcripts, evidence, rulings, even an FAQ:

What issues will Lord Hutton investigate during the Inquiry?
Lord Hutton's terms of reference are "urgently to conduct an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the death of Dr Kelly".

Why was Lord Hutton chosen to be chairman of the inquiry?
He is a man of integrity and independence, well qualified to conduct such an inquiry. He was the Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland from 1988 to 1997, and has been a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary (Law Lord) since 1997...The Government has asked Lord Hutton to report to Lord Falconer, Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs...

By what process has evidence to the Inquiry been requested by Lord Hutton...?
On behalf of Lord Hutton, the Secretary to the Inquiry has written to Parties seeking evidence...All evidence, with some exceptions and editing of personal information, has now been published on this website. This evidence has been published as received. Any missing pages or documents are a matter for the providers.

What evidence is not being made available?
As Lee Hughes, Secretary to the Inquiry, stated in his evidence on Thursday 21 August, the following is not being made available: -
a. “Evidence referenced ISC, Intelligence and Security Committee, as we have agreed with that Committee that we would not publish those documents until such time as the Committee had done so and I understand that will be in the next few weeks.
b. There are about three pages of evidence being withheld on National Security grounds...

In short, this looks MAJORLY legit, particularly in light of the 9/2002 dates on the e-mails. Tally Ho, Tony.

[radwriter0555]

12. How are you tying 9.11 to hussein? Did I miss something?

I don't mean to be rude... but I read the string of dialogue and don't see what 9.11 has to do with the pretexts for invading iraq.

[ElementaryPenguin]

20. It had nada, nada, nada. PNAC had plans, Cheney Energy meetings

April 2001 - detailed, strategic maps of Iraq oil fields, Chimpy's second debate with Pres. Gore - reveals BFEE plans to oust Saddam!!

[rocktivity]

28. This ties the Iraq invasion into PNAC

That is, The Pretzel-Dunce was going to go in and get the oil no matter what Saddam did--and Tony was in on it. This is very significant indeed--significant enough to at least wonder if 9/11 may have been a premptive strike.


rocknation

[ElementaryPenguin]

39. That's more like it. Preemptive, perhaps, but NOT Iraqi.

If there were ANY evidence of that, BushCo and Poodle would have needed nothing else, and wouldn't have bothered cooking up this bullshit story!

[Brotherjohn]

15. These are from 9-11-2002 (if they are even genuine), NOT 9-11-01.

The "dodgy dossier" was in the works in Sept. 2002, a full year after the 9-11 WTC attack. So there's nothing to show that 9-11 had anything to do with this.

[Brotherjohn]

38. I see the source now, and think it's legit and damning to Blair, BUT...

I see the source now, and believe they are legitimate. I also believe there is ammo here to damn Blair with respect to playing up the threat from Iraq in the months prior to the invasion.

But I still do not see how anything here proves that 9-11 was a "pre-emptive strike" against the U.S. I still don't understand why you keep coming back to the date as evidence of this. These documents were from September 2002, NOT September 2001.

This is not to say that I deny it's a possibility that someone was pre-emptively striking the U.S. on 9-11-01. I just don't think these documents have anything to do with that possibility, except in the general sense that it is further evidence that Bush and Blair wanted to overthrow Saddam. But we didn't need these documents to tell us that.

[Gin]

23. where are you seeing 9-11 info? cant find it

gin

[ElementaryPenguin]

44. There wasn't any.

eom

[ElementaryPenguin]

10. An awful lot of detail

not to be!!! Wanna take any bets?

[seemslikeadream]

11. Information that ordinarily would take 30 years to come out

is going to be released. I believe I heard that on BBC yesterday. It was supposed to be very unusual.

[ElementaryPenguin]

13. Fantastic!! Thanks.

Imagine if we had such a system!!

[seemslikeadream]

17. Maybe London's power problems were caused by

a few stray e-mails.

[ElementaryPenguin]

29. Taking a page out of the BFEE playbook!!

That was my first thought! It may not be true - but who the hell knows with this group of ruthless, lying shitheads??

[librechik]

16. it's from the official trial evidence of the Hutton investigation

so it's as legit as they got (can't say if it was faked before, but I sincerely doubt that!


Heres' the original link for the info dump/transcripts:

http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/

[ElementaryPenguin]

36. Thanks for the official link!

eom

[hang a left]

4. see call to arms in gd

LET'S ORGANIZE, LET'S MARCH, COME ON!!!!!!!!

[ElementaryPenguin]

8. We should be marching immediately!!!

This is so friggin' incriminating!!!!! Bastards!!

[pa28]

5. One would think . . .

Bush is in big trouble. Blair will go down in a ball of flaming, smoking wreckage. But Bush? He will continue to thrive in the hypocrytical vacuum of Washington and be protected and defended by state run media. In other words he's untouchable.

[ElementaryPenguin]

9. Not with a 480 billion dollar deficit!! He's approval rating is in free

Fall!! Rats jumping ship!!! Dean, Clark, Kerry, Kucinich should/will swarm all over this!!! ChimpCo is fucked!!!

[midnitemoleman]

6. WOW!!! A must read!!!!

My mom always said not to say anything at all if you could not say something nice. So....

[ElementaryPenguin]

43. I'm sure she'd make exceptions for Hitler or Bush...or Blair!!

eom

[Blue_Chill]

14. Anyone have a more credible link?

It seems to me something this important would be more wide spread.

[librechik]

19. try this

http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/

it's the official site

[theboss]

18. Wow . . .

. . . . was that boring.

I read the whole thing. What am I missing? I don't see any "smoking gun" here. Just a bunch of beauracrats talking about the best way to spin intelligence.

Everyone knew they did this already. It's not like anyone said, "Hey, let's make some stuff up!!"

[Caution]

25. Actually

Here are exact quotes from the emails:

"In the penultimate para you need to make it clear Saddam could not attack us at the moment. The thesis is he would be a threat to the UK in the future if we do not check him." (emphasis in original)

"First the document does nothing to demonstrate a threat, let alone an imminent threat from Saddam"

Now it may just be me, but the argument that Saddam could attack "in 45 minutes" seems to me to be a clear, flat out lie that had no basis of fact in their own intelligence and which was discussed AT length in the build up to the dossier's release.

Additionally they state:

"if I was saddam, I would take a party of western journalists to the Ibn Sina factory or one of the others pictured in the documents to demonstarte there is nothing there. How do we close off that avenue to him in advance?"

Which also reeks of falsified evidence. Blair is in deep shit.

[ElementaryPenguin]

26. Good points all!

eom

[theboss]

35. I read those

1. Did the Brits actually say that Hussein could attack Britian in 45 minutes? I don't recall that specific a charge being made. If they did, well, that was horseshit from the get-go.

2. I think this section relates more to the understanding that Hussein controlled the facts on the ground. They could claim that the factory was used to produce WMD and then Saddam could then clear it of evidence and invite the BBC to take a look.

I'm coming at this from an attorneys perspective (and I imagine a lot of attorneys worked on this dossiers). We tend to overload complaints and spin the information in them. So, I don't find anything shocking that this is what was done in the "March to War."

Again, none of this hides the fact that we were bullshitted into this war.

[Caution]

40. Yes that specific charge was made.

Tony Blair specifically stated that Saddam Hussein had the capability to deply WMD in less than 45 minutes. Obviously it was horseshit, but just as obviously this was one of the bigger selling points in the war. The same as the supposed purchase of enriched uranium from Niger was a big part of the sale of the war in the US. People tend to get a little "up in arms" when told an avowed enemy is building nuclear weapons (that whole Cold War thing comes to mind) and when that enemy has the ability to strike in less than 45 minutes. Of course when it turns out to be an unmitigated total flaming, steaming pile of horseshit...well those responsible need to be held accountable.

[theboss]

42. Two ways of reading it

Again, as an attorney, this is my job. Don't get mad at me. But I've seen three dozen "THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN!!!" posts on this site in the last few months and tend to not get excited.

I can read that sentence that we fail to make a case in two ways. The first is the way you are reading: "We have no data to back us up so let's lie" or "We have the data to back us up but fail to present it properly." One is call to lie; the other is call to edit.

[ElementaryPenguin]

31. Flunked remedial reading or what?

You're reading a blow by blow account of the actions of a group of perpetrators who are involved helping the U.S. start an illegal war - that could (heaven forbid) possibly even lead to friggin' WWIII - and you're bored??? WTF?? Go back to watching one of those "exciting" Ah-nulled flicks!

[Sophree]

21. "The evidence we have is largely circumstantial"

"The evidence we have is largely circumstantial so we need to convey to our readers that the cumulation of these facts demonstrates an intent on Saddam's part- the more they can be led to this conclusion themselves rather than have to accept judgments from us, the better."

Gee, that's a different story from the one *, Colin Powell told us, now isn't it????

[ElementaryPenguin]

22. Yeah!! Just fucking slightly!!!

GGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

[ElementaryPenguin]

24. If Kelly did commit suicide, he truly died to save his country!!

Talk about martyrs!!!!

[seemslikeadream]

27. I watched Clare Short being interviewed last night on BBC

although I can't quote the impression I got from her was Blair is in the deep stuff. BBC will be on C-SPAN again tonight at 5:30 or 6:30.

[cap]

30. references to bush spin in hutton inquiry

"
10 Q. 12th May you have another conversation with Dr Kelly.
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Who initiates this conversation?
13 A. I did.
14 Q. You telephoned him. Where were you at the time?
15 A. Can I just find this? (Pause). Now, I think I was at
16 work on this occasion.
17 Q. Right. And do you know where he was? Do you remember
18 where he was? It does not matter if you cannot.
19 A. No. No.
20 Q. Can I take you to SJW/1/32; and is this an extract from
21 your --
22 A. It is.
23 Q. -- notebook?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Happily these have been transcribed by you. That is at

7
1 SJW/1/520. Is that the transcribed note --
2 A. It is.
3 Q. -- for 12th May?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. And what was the gist of your discussion on that day?
6 A. So, on that day we were talking again about the mobile
7 laboratories and we started by talking about his
8 confidence that they were as the Americans had described
9 them; they were weapons production facilities or not.
10 He said, I thought very interestingly, that on the day
11 the Pentagon had made their announcement, 7th May, he
12 was 90 per cent confident that they were as the
13 Americans were describing them, but by the 12th his
14 confidence level had fallen to around 40 to 50 per cent.
15 We discussed why that was and he also made clear he did
16 not have the full set of information he would need, the
17 full process diagrams, how they fitted together.
18 I noted that as again something I would return to in
19 more detail if I were to use it on Newsnight.
20 We also talked about how in his experience in Iraq
21 previously he had come across some of the pesticide
22 manufacturing which the Iraqis were alluding to as
23 a possible explanation for these mobile laboratories.
24 He suggested the Americans might be confusing that
25 pesticide manufacture with biological weapons

8
1 production. Again, that he needed more information to
2 be certain.
3 He talked about his understanding and continued
4 understanding that Iraq's policy was fill to use, i.e.
5 you would not necessarily find weapons with filled
6 warheads, that they would be filled when they were
7 needed.
8 And he also for the first time talked about straight
9 on to some more political matters and talked, for
10 example -- I quote him in my notes saying:
11 "Did not think the British had a definitive position
12 on Iraq's exact capabilities and when Bush/Straw said
13 they had such and such, that was spin."
14 He was talking about the -- and he went on to say
15 the reality was that they had programmes, not a view
16 that wanted to be heard.
17 Here he was talking about -- there had been a lot of
18 comment about whether the correct use of language in
19 regard to the unaccounted for quantities of VX and other
20 materials, anthrax, and whether that could correctly be
21 interpreted as missing or rather an unaccounted for.
22 Q. He drew a distinction between the two?
23 A. Yes. I mean, he thought that the fact that they were
24 unaccounted for or missing did not necessarily mean that
25 they existed.
"

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:m4g-RaOJBpYJ:www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/hearing_trans_06.htm+bush+site:http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[ElementaryPenguin]

33. Confidence level at 90% - falls to 40 or 50%!

When was the last time your confidence in ChimpCo was above 0%???

[wryter2000]

32. Impressions from the UK?

If any of you have power, of course.

[cap]

34. more on Bush from Hutton -- he knew Iraq couldn't mount a CBW attack on UK

"Could Iraq mount a CBW attack on the UK Mainland"?
13 A. I cannot say I recall reading this Q and A with the
14 degree of thoroughness perhaps you are implying I ought
15 to have done. What I can recall in respect of this
16 particular point is on the flight to America, when the
17 Prime Minister met President Bush at Camp David, he made
18 the point very clearly that no-one has said that
19 Saddam Hussein posed a direct threat to the
20 United Kingdom but his belief was that we would not be
21 able to avoid being drawn into a conflict in the region.

http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/hearing_trans_15.htm

[ElementaryPenguin]

37. Holy shit!!! Bastards!!

I'm ashamed to have had this transpire during my lifetime!! We didn't do enough to stop these monsters. We are like the German people in the 30's!! Hope we don't meet the same fate!

[ElementaryPenguin]

41. Can someone with more computer savy than I have please send this

Like EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buzzflash - SmirkingChimp - Democrats.com - BartCop - BushWatch...wherever...Please!!!!

Your local press, the mainstream national press, your Congressional reps!!!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

45. The BBC and the Guardian

have been giving the Hutton inquiry a lot of good coverage. Hutton's release of these documents is quiet astonishing. There is enough rope here to hang the whole bunch of them.

Don't worry EP, there is no stopping this train anymore. The truth is out there and its everywhere. It's just a matter of how much is it going to hurt to make this train stop. I fear a lot more people will be killed in the process. 3000 on 9-11 is just a small taste of what this cabal is capable of. Keep in mind, desperate men do desperate things. So hang on, we are now approaching the main part of the ride.

[ElementaryPenguin]

46. Approaching a critical mass period, aren't we?

The final showdown - the last of fossil fuel pushers and the mega defense contractors vs. the rest of mankind! We DO outnumber the shit out of them!

[DoYouEverWonder]

48. But they've got all the big guns

not to mention nukes.

There are people in this misadministration, who would love to bring about Armagedon, and then there are others, who would love to get rid of more useless eaters.

May we survive living in interesting times.

[ElementaryPenguin]

49. Which is why we don't have the luxury of waiting for the next election...

We've got to take to the streets and FORCE an impeachment showdown!! With the Iraqi stink reeking more with each soldier's death, and the economy in the crapper - many are ready to turn on the failed/evil Chimp!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

54. I agree

Removing these bastards from office is something I have been fighting for since the selection. However, I do expect Bu$hCo will pull out all the stops before they will willingly give up power.

[ElementaryPenguin]

47. Justifiable public service kick!

:kick:

[Spazito]

50. This is a definite MUST read!

Thanks for posting the link!

[ElementaryPenguin]

51. You're welcome.

Now let's spread the hell out of it!!! This is truly incredible!

[rocktivity]

52. There may not be a link between this and 9/11

But the Bush white house sure tried to create one. Remember how they tried to trace the source of the anthrax used in the mail attacks to Iraq?


rocknation

[YouNotMyBoss]

53. This is our spokesperson?

http://www.wardrobe.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index2.html

Hello!!! My name is Captain Wardrobe...and you are all part of my coma state -----you see, none of this is real, it is an elaborate hallucination that i am having , while they figure out a way to bring me back.

So ...Welcome to my virtual garden, a kind of 'cyber-allotment'... cartoons/ art /music/ writings, thoughts and mad rants.

-Please enjoy your visit...scroll about and click buttons / words for stuff !!!!!

love captain wardrobe xxx

Any problems/ queries? e-mail me...and keep on growing the garden...

[farmbo]

55. Good get, EP! The same (or worse) exists here, but nobody cares.

The e-mails from Rummy's DIA, the CIA, NSA and the Whitehouse, would make the above e-mails read like a laundry list.

But this is the US, and nobody cares.

We have a Freedom of Information Act and we have a "free press", but no Journalist has the guts to push (or sue) for release.

:grr:

[John_H]

56. Hundrd bucks says this will never crack

the NY Times, let alone cable news.