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meatloaf Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:51 AM
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Tinfoil Hat thought for the day.
Okay, I know I can't be the only one who thinks that the so-called "liberal media" is running with biased pro-bush polls to grease the wheels for another election theft. Can I?

I think it has a multi-faceted effect.

First, it helps get the ignorant me-to vote.

Second, it helps depress Democrat turnout because people assume our guy has no chance.

Third, it lulls the masses into thinking * had a lead in the polls anyway so even if there is some questionable activity, he was going to win anyway.

The same thing happened in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote despite being 5 or more points behind in most polls up to election day.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:53 AM
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1. No, you're not the only one, Mr. Loaf (just wanted to say that)
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:53 AM
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2. Hardly tinfoilhatism.
This is an obvious strategy by the VRWC on the short road to amerikkkan fascism.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:53 AM
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3. No, you're not the only one.... n/t
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MsFlorida Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:54 AM
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4. seems to me they are padding dumbya's numbers.
Saw last night on CNN, Gallup Poll, dumbya had 67% to Kerry's 49%. Somehow these numbers dont add up to 100!!
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:16 AM
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8. Yesterday or the day before, ACT put an ad in the New York Times
regarding Gallup's polling methodology. It pointed out several major faults in their approach - interviews skewed to white and wealthier respondents. Not a good approach if you're trying to gauge all of America.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:56 AM
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5. not tin foil hat
this is what they do.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:56 AM
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6. You're not the only one, and to add to the tinfoil...
somebody here suggested yesterday that the perception of * being up in the polls is twofold:

1) If * steals this election too, it won't be as suspicious because he was "leading."

2) If Kerry wins, all those polls will be fuel for the fire of the right wing claiming that Kerry & the Democrats were the ones who cheated.

Ordinarily I would have found both of these things outrageous. But after what happened in 2000, I really can't dismiss either.
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wolfgang Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:10 AM
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7. I don't know. Kerry was underestimated in Iowa. Could this be the game? n
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:30 AM
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9. Poll Fraud must precede Election Fraud.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:30 AM
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10. You are not alone with those concerns.
...and I put absolutely NOTHING past this crooked administration.

However, remember how totally incompetent bushco is. Everything they touch turns to crap. I read somewhere that Kerry has a team of lawyers to go into action if there is a hint of anything fishy. Not to say bushco won't try, but we are on the alert after Florida 2000. They've given away their hand. The American people have become complacent, but many are waking up. There will be outrage & marching in the streets if Americans think their election was rigged. THE WHOLE WORLD will be watching this election & there will be demonstrations everywhere, not just the US.

Fasten your seatbelt, cuz it's gonna be one hell of a ride!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:35 AM
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11. Only the degree of complicity
is in question. What is relevant that the orchestration of everything follows Bush's needs almost to the moment cued. One cloud is the uncertainty of HOW organized this is past the Rove piranhas, the other is the effectiveness which is not what Bush really hopes for, but- what the hey- they are getting results and no accountability.

You could also argue they are trying mightily to keep the Bush bubble afloat so that he doesn't tank into catastrophe. By that light he is very successful, but obviously this is not what they had in mind. What they wanted was a clear victory further pumped into a massive mandate by unchallenged fraud.

Spinning like tops to keep their Viagra fresh. A point of exhaustion and reality could be reached where the whole charade collapses, but they encourage themselves by the fact that the strategy has successfully unfolded without much of a hitch as far as getting the minimal out there.

This interpretation you might enjoy- someday- in retrospect as the crescendo, the spiral, the circus folds it tent.

The problem as a peevish U.S. Grant told his nervous officers in the Wilderness is not worrying what the clever fox Lee would do, but what we would do. In this murky mess of castrated national forums we need to stand and fight because truth is incontrovertibly,decisively on our side. But before the math triumphs comes the pain. There will be no more retreat.

Might I add the media is not absorbing the body blows to its credibility with equanimity? They are caught naked in their service to power and the growing rage of millions of Americans truly informed by other means, not a mystified groping resentment. This is a far cry from the whipping boy days when people first became disenchanted with the stormcrow dramaturgy of negative news. A huge weapon is being launched against a lax and arrogant band of blind
dupes and lapdogs. It keeps coming up in many reports and commentaries. Losing credibility is losing their their career and exposing their betrayal of their craft and calling, of people and nation.

We know they are incompetent, lying for a master elite- and exposed. They are clinging to a raft of sham. Sink it.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:37 AM
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12. There's nothing tinfoil hat about it.... The fix is in and the media is...
...doing their part for the cause. Tinfoil hat? Dude, it's a given.
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