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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:12 AM
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It's not the military records, it's the community service
xymphora has it right again:

I've said it before, but apparently it is worth saying it again:

"Rove is on his game here. By holding back the military records he has made the military records the issue, and has managed to divert the media from the real issue, which is the community service. If those legal files ever get out, showing that Bush was convicted of a serious drug offence, his political career will be finished. The real reason that Bush went AWOL was that he couldn't afford to take a drug test. The real reason he couldn't afford to take a drug test was that it would have been a condition of his sentencing that he remain clean. If word of the failed drug test had filtered back to the court, he would have gone to jail. His fear of the criminal legal consequences is why he went AWOL, and that's why the community service is the key to understanding what is going on here. By concentrating on the military records, the media is walking right into Rove's trap."


At some point the Democrats are going to have to get it through their thick heads that Bush's shoddy military record is not a winning issue for them. Bush's supporters have digested the fact that Bush had help from high places in his short military career, and can live with it. What they can't accept is the fact that Kerry came back to campaign against the war, and thus, as far as the Bush supporters are concerned, committed Hanoi-Jane-style treason against the United States. Every time the Democrats bring up Bush's war record, it just reminds Bush supporters that Kerry is a traitor. The details of Bush's service, or lack thereof, will always be buried in the selective releases of laundered records released by the White House and the Pentagon (isn't amazing how each release is described as all the documents, only to be followed by more releases when specific new points require a response?). Those who want to believe in Bush will always be able to fool themselves into believing what they want to believe. At this point, with all many documents available, and the new allegations of forgery from Bush's true believers, undecided voters will just throw up their hands in disgust at the whole issue. If Democrats want to win, the only way they can do it is to get information on what happened in that Texas court room in 1972. The person brave enough to do this would be on an a suicide mission, as Rove and Cheney would have him or her killed (a 'suicide' consisting of three shotgun blasts to the head). There is also an ethical issue involved, as anyone who talks to the suicidal investigator would also be killed. Nevertheless, the drug conviction issue is the only thing that will register with the American electorate. Do the Democrats really want to win, or are they just going through the motions again?
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/09/bush-drugs-texas-and-1972.html
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:17 AM
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1. Perhaps Kitty Kelley will shed some light on this for us next week.
:fingerscrossed:

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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:18 AM
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2. But did you hear Dan Rather ask: WHY was Bush
missing from Alabama? He promised to address this issue in the future, so I expect this just might be bubbling to the surface soon. Let's hope so, eh?
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:21 AM
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3. the awol issue is the doorway way to get the REAL story
why did bush not fulfill his duty. that is the question. the holy grail is his coke use and everyone knows it. the sbl's attck on kerry could be a blessing - if the kerry cmp had any kind of killer instinct.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:00 AM
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6. But, was it just use - or SALES of coke?
He pled to possession, so it's very likely he was arrested for a larger charge - like SALES of cocaine!!!!!
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:40 PM
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16. either way bad news, have we ever had a prez who hoovered c?
this whole line of inquiry hurts bush with his base.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:23 AM
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4. If there were some docmented evidence, rather that simply conjecture...
We'd be in business.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:29 AM
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5. I don't think this will be an issue with the electorate
Drug use and rehabilitation is a given almost. They will spin it on how he made his peace with his God and overcame his addicitons to rise to be president of the united States.

Bejesus...the man has lied about everything that could mean anything to people in this country and they still want to vote for him.

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:32 AM
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7. I think the drug story might hurt Bush bigtime,
partly because of the lies and partly because it didn't end back in the '70s. Kelley says it went on at Camp David during BushI, which is AFTER W's born-again bullshit is supposed to have happened ( on his 40th b'day iirc).
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:53 AM
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8. Rather's "October Surprise"?
While brushing off the critics today, Rather repeatedly asks "WHY did he disregard a direct order.......WHY didn't he report for his physical?" Could he be trying to direct the discussion to its next logical segment on "60 Minutes"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=788402
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:58 AM
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9. Nice, big fat leading questions, aren't they?
They could also be meant as insurance against Rove's smear machine: "Give it up, or we'll go there."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:55 PM
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10. "Give it up, or we'll go there." Yes!
You're not dealing with the likes of Danny, Steve or Paul anymore.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 01:17 PM
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11. OK, Not A BFEE Hit (Maybe) Let's List The BFEE 'Convenient' Deaths Then...





OK, Not A BFEE Hit (Maybe) Let's List The BFEE 'Convenient' Deaths Then...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=200861


I think it's time to remember STEVE KANGAS of LIBERALISM RESURGENT.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2066618
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 04:01 PM
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13. Handwriting Samples May Open Questions about Jim Hatfield's Death
1/6/03

SanderHicks.com Releases of The Jim Hatfield Suicide Note

Handwriting Samples May Open Up New Questions About Bush Bio Writer's Cause of Death

Soft Skull Press Founder Sander Hicks today announces that he will release the suicide note and documents relating to the death of controversial Bush biographer Jim Hatfield, on Monday, January 6, 2003 at Sanderhicks.com. Official reports such as selections from Hatfield's FBI files, his official handwriting samples, and police reports are included in this release.

...

Jim Hatfield was found dead on July 18, 2001 in a hotel room in Springdale, Arkansas. His death was ruled a suicide. Later, a toxicology report showed an overdose of alcohol and anti-depressants. No autopsy was performed, and Hatfield was buried three days later. Officials interviewed in October 2001 by Hicks stated they had no suspicions of foul play since there was "no sign of struggle" at the scene.

Due to his involvement, among other things, with powerful Texas Republicans and real estate barons in Dallas in the late 80's (the present Bush White House's Clay Johnson and Larry Burk respectively) Jim Hatfield had a 1,931 page long FBI file. Hicks filed a FOIA request for this file, and after waiting two years and a month, the FBI released 234 of these pages (12% of it) to him on March 12, 2002.

Hicks had this to say: "The recent untimely death of Senator Paul Wellstone was a disturbingly lucky coincidence for the Bush White House. The sudden death of Clifford Baxter was fortuitous for the fat cats of Enron. The death of Vince Foster helped the Clinton White House. These precedent makes me want to revisit the subject of Hatfield's death. In my grief, I have been personally OK with the official explanation, up until now. But since the public has a right to know what happened to Jim, I'm releasing these documents. I'm confident that the more rigorous of the public will look further into this. Perhaps there's more here than I see."





http://sanderhicks.com/hatfieldhome.html
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 04:25 PM
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14. There was an older woman on c-span this
morning who told us to get a hold of a copy of "Fortunate Son"..and look into something called.."P-U-L-L"..a drug program perhaps?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 04:55 PM
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15. Yes that's the program bush was "sentenced" to
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 04:57 PM by seemslikeadream
when he got busted, I believe


yea here it is

Although the following information has received the most controversial reception thus far, it is only part of the larger pattern exhibited by Fortunate Son. This biography establishes that George W. Bush has never been required to play by the rules, not just in 1972. Upon finishing the first draft of Fortunate Son, J.H. Hatfield was bothered by the incongruous break in the pattern of young G.W. Bush's life. In 1972, Bush "volunteered" to work with inner-city Houston youth at the community center Project P.U.L.L. Hatfield began to suspect that the service wasn't voluntary, but court-ordered. This was confirmed by three sources who had the same story: Bush was arrested for cocaine possession but his father, Congressman George Bush, worked out a backroom deal with a friendly judge
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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 01:23 PM
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12. I think your right and undecided voters are

Republicans anyway.

911 was a lie.


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