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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:26 PM
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Bush has a fake accent - Kevin Phillips,auhor and former Nixon strategist
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42831-2004Aug28_3.html

Even the president's Texas twang grates on Phillips, whose own accent is clipped and clear and, we must note, a tad patrician. "Listen to them! Assemble the very best panel of linguists you could find and have them listen to brothers Jeb and G.W. -- they wouldn't even guess they're in the same family," Phillips says. "G.W. talks like a cowboy and he's no more a backwoods Texan than I am."


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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:28 PM
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1. Huh, I always thought that was an Andover accent ... my bad
:shrug:
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:29 PM
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2. That stands to reason....We've had a fake President for the last 4 yrs
Everything about this administration is a false facade.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:29 PM
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3. Sadly, I think that's a significant part of why people see him as...
...being tough on terror.

Wake up people! The terrorists don't even know what kind of accent that's supposed to be or what it's supposed to mean! The Texas accent brings us no advantage in the war on terror!
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:30 PM
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4. I agree. It's a pretentious twang!
I noticed the difference recently when I heard Jeb talking about Hurricane Charley. Let's give him credit for being able to learn something even if it's a Texas twang.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:34 PM
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5. Knowing lots of Texans
you can spot his fake accent a mile away. His sounds like a bad western. Real Texas accents are more interesting.
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:39 PM
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6. Phillips says -- Bush is a zero.
So what's an Nixon-Eisenhower Republican to do when he steps inside a voting booth in November 2004? Phillips shrugs. As it stands, Kerry has his vote, although the text of Phillips's endorsement probably won't appear in any Democratic ads. "I'm hoping that Kerry's a seven on a scale of 10, but I'm afraid maybe he's just a five," Phillips says. "But Kerry's running against a zero. So my choice is clear."

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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:40 PM
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7. Kevin's got ALL the goods on the Bush family.
His book AMERICAN DYNASTY is so devastating it can only be read in small doses if you value your blood pressure and your equanimity.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:42 PM
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8. It's very practiced
I can pick up accents and dialects pretty quickly (even with failing hearing) and Bush's accent isn't even a casual acquisition. You can tell he seriously practiced it in several "chunks" over the last decade or so.

The "tell" is that as his accent gets more intense, his vocal patterns and muscle tension changes. The pauses between groups of words become artificially long, and his movements become more mechanical, betraying difficult practice.

Bill Clinton also practiced his speech patterns, probably to reduce the Arkansas accent. He does it a lot better. Richard Nixon, whatever you may think of him, retained his "California" accent, but spoke as easily as anyone I can think of in politics.

Texas accents? Lyle Lovett has what I consider to be an authentic Texas "cowboy" accent. Bruce Sterling (the S-F writer) has a very clear, archetypal Austin-egghead accent. And Larry Hagman got the urban Texas accent pretty well when he played J.R. Ewing in the old prime-time soap opera Dallas.

--bkl
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:50 PM
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10. In that clip from F9/11, about "I call you my base",
he hardly has one.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:02 PM
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23. What?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:50 PM
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11. In that clip from F9/11, about "I call you my base",
he hardly has one.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:03 PM
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24. Sorry. Can't hear you.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:50 PM
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12. In that clip from F9/11, about "I call you my base",
he hardly has one.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:03 PM
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25. Would someone PLEASE turn down the TV?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:50 PM
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13. In that clip from F9/11, about "I call you my base",
he hardly has one.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:05 PM
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28. Oh, yeah. I agree.
A vaporous lie can have no base.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:47 PM
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9. He tried to channel John Wayne. Sadly, he got...
...Howdy Doody, instead.

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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 08:02 PM
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19. And even John Wayne was from central Iowa.......n/t
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 08:03 PM
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20. Oh my good goddess ROFLMAO n/t
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:50 PM
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14. Bush is a phony wimp
say it with me

BUSH IS A WIMP!
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tXr Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:59 PM
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15. I've lived in Houston for 30 years
and it's embarrassing to hear * speak with such a phony, exaggerated accent.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 08:23 PM
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21. Welcome to DU, fellow Houstonian!
:headbang: :bounce: :headbang:
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 06:02 PM
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43. Hey, it's a Houston gaggle!
Me too.

I have noticed that native Houstonians don't have a real thick accent -- it's pretty subdued. (Or, maybe I've just been here too long!!!!)

But * landed in oil country, Midland right? after Connecticut.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:59 PM
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16. Last night, I saw clips of Dubya from way back when

he was working on his daddy's campaign. They showed him with the Texas delegation, making a little speech casting Texas's votes for Poppy, and they showed him talking on a tv news show. He had no noticeable accent, not Texas, not New England, more like Jeb, like anyone who's moved around and not kept one accent.

The "Texas accent" (that Texans laugh at!) is a bone thrown to Southerners.
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:05 PM
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35. I saw a clip this morning, too, from back then, and not only
did he not have a fake accent, but, as I noted in an earlier post this AM, he spoke fluently and articulately in long sentences, instead of the brain dead phrases he uses now.

Did you notice that?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 06:46 PM
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45. Yes. Of course, the pauses and lack of eloquence

may well be due to too much boozing and other substance abuse when he was "young and irresponsible," a phase that lasted until he was 40. But I'm not discounting the possibility that he fakes a lot of his "common man" inanity the same way he fakes the accent.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 07:59 PM
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17. Everything about Bush is fake
Except for his stupidity.

He talks slow because he is a moron.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 08:02 PM
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18. My dad was a Texan, born and raised, so I know a Texan when I hear one...
And * ain't no Texan. Everything about that dress-up, two-bit bozo is a lie.
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montieg Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 08:47 PM
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22. You're damn' Skippy, rezmutt.
You hit it square on the head. I was born in West Texas in 1947 and outside my time with Uncle Sam and a year building bridges in New Orleans I've been here the whole time. Us DemoTexans have been trying to get the whole world (it seems like) to see that * "ain't no Texan". He was born in Maine, went to a private prep school for a few years in Houston--which I ain't sure qualifies for time in Texas-- then to be a cheerleader at Andover Academy and on to Yale. Now he comes here ever' time he gets a chance so he can play 'ranch'. Sure don't sound like a Texan to me. Leastwise, none from around here.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:04 PM
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26. I'm from New Orleans and I can tell you he has a fake Texas accent.
I have family in every Western state from California to Louisiana and even on to Georgia, and I spent a number of summers in Texas (I have family there- Dallas, Houston, El Paso). My mom's family are ranchers in New Mexico, and I worked on a ranch many summers as a boy. One thing I can say for sure: Bush is not a Texan nor is he a rancher - he's the antithesis. His whole life is a fraud and only the willfully uninformed don't see it.

Bush = worst pResident in history.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:04 PM
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27. George W. Bush was born in New Haven, Connecticut (nt)
nt
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captainjack Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:14 PM
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29. I thought everyone knew this...
David Brancaccio (from NOW with Bill Moyers) was interviewing the guy responsible for crafting "liberal language" about this and noted that Bush has never spend a significant part of his youth in Texas, yet tries to sound Southern - to define himself as a good ole' American boy rather than the elite snob that he actually is.

It;s so disgusting - the guy is all talk, and not even genuine talk at that.
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:07 PM
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36. I move between Midland and Lubbock regularly
with my job. I'm waiting to hear anything remotely like that accent. I've heard every west Texas and high plains accent and that one is nothing like it.

Not to mention, it comes and goes...
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:36 PM
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37. My dad was from El Paso. I still have relatives there.
You're spot-on right, WD -- not one of my relatives **ever** spoke a syllable that's even remotely like any of the fake mush that comes out of *'s mouth.

And, yes, I too have heard *'s fake accent fade in and out; he really cranks it up when he's doing the "just plain folks" routine.

Makes me sick.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:40 PM
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39. Welcome to DU, montieg...
My dad was born in Hubbard (birthplace of baseball great Tris Speaker); his family moved to El Paso when he was a kid. My grandfather owned a grocery store there.

Hang in there, we'll toss out that damned carpetbagging SOB yet. :toast:
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tibbir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:28 PM
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30. I can't see how Jeb, who was born in Midland,
doesn't have a Texas 'twang' while *shrub* has this Texas affectation. I was born in Texas and have lived here most of my life. I have relatives from all different parts of Texas and he sounds like none of them. I've heard people from the Midland Odessa area speak and he doesn't sound like them.

In fact, there's a tape that has gone around in which he sounds like he's been hitting the sauce, I can't hear that he has any accent at all in that.

He's been a play cowboy ever since he decided he would get more votes that way. Just like he was a play combat pilot with the "Mission Accomplished."
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:37 PM
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38. "Play cowboy"
You got it, tibbir!

Welcome to DU -- :toast:
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 10:17 PM
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31. I've noticed a lot of conservatives with fake accents
Mike Savage with that overblown Brooklyn wannabe accent? The guy lives in San Francisco.

Definitely another proud participant in the George W. Bush Adopt-an-Accent Program.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 10:25 PM
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33. Michael Savage was born in the Bronx, NY (nt)
nt
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 12:14 AM
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40. Damn, you've spoiled my theory!
I don't care, I still think he overdoes it, just for the effect.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 10:23 PM
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32. I still believe Bush talks like Thurston Howell off-camera.
And he calls Laura "Lovey."
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 10:36 PM
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34. He really poured it on today in Wheeling
It was pronounced. I bet he loses it at the convention.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 04:33 PM
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41. Oy, the Wheeling reruns today, WHOO DOGGY!
Bush sounds like he is trying to figger out how to get out of the holler with that phony accent.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 05:27 PM
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42. two professional actors also noted this
Timothy Bottoms and Brent Mendenhall, both of whom have had theatrical training and have played Bush on TV, have said that Bush's "accent" is elusive and not really based on known regional dialects. (Mendenhall is from Missouri -- he says that Bush's sound is really just poor enunciation, not a true accent.) Bottoms says that if you listen to Bush's performances, he is definitely calculating when to do his cowboy act. He plays up his mannerisms in front of audiences who are likely to be sympathetic (Republicans in red states, for example).

A linguist friend suggested that a person's true accent is most likely to emerge when s/he is emotional, tired, or surprised. Like everything else about him, Bush is inconsistent. The "accent" is there when he has time to think about doing it -- and seems to disappear at other times. This is the opposite of what people with real accents show.

I wonder if some of his hesitation during interviews is caused by his having to decide how to speak, because he hasn't gotten his "Dubya" character down yet?
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 06:11 PM
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44. At least Reagan was a trained actor.
Bush is a trained cheerleader.

And his pom-poms are getting mighty frayed.
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