Wow! Ronald Reagan's fake son Michael to address GOP Convention

[devilgrrl]

Is everyone shaking in their boots or what?

[bob reynolds]

1. calling an adopted child 'fake' seems rather harsh...eom

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[bob reynolds]

W is not my hero

who's yours?

[Cheswick2.0]

10. he's right

no matter what Michael Reagan's politics are, what you said is cruel. There might even be adopted DUers whoes feelings you have now hurt.

[devilgrrl]

14. Cry me a river...

:cry:

Michael Reagan is a phony of the highest order.

[Ripley]

15. But that's not what you said.

Big difference between calling someone a "phoney" and

Calling someone a "fake" child (when it is known he is adopted).

[devilgrrl]

18. Michael Reagan is Fake, Phony, Hateful piece of puke...

deal with it!

[Ripley]

23. Once again, calling him a fake puke is different than

calling him a fake son.

Hey, I don't know anything about him - I'll take your word he's a puke.

But the vitriol towards his birth status seems rather crude. Deal.

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[devilgrrl]

22. Where Michael Reagan is concerned...

I'm an unabashed asshole to be perfectly frank.

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[devilgrrl]

37. So what your saying is, that you're immune to such behavior.

For some reason I have a difficult time believing that. Because if you truly were immune to being a jerk from time to time - you wouldn't have responded.

[LarryBaker]

51. Just face it will you? You were off the mark here.

People pointing that out are not automatically jerks. However, was I to get into a lengthier discussion about this piece of crap I probably would be, so I'm gonna call it short now and just hope you'll do better in the future.

Best wishes from Larry, adopted at the age of 5.

[devilgrrl]

54. I worded it poorly...

and that's all you're getting. My feelings towards Michael Reagan have nothing to do with the adopted. He's a charletan!

[Misinformed01]

30. I don't like M. Reagan either

in fact, I don't like any of the Reagans...even though I do get a kick out of what's his name...the stem cell kid.

But, making fun of someone because they are jackasses is not the same as making fun of them because they were adopted-

Your topic sucks, and I don't think you have the sense or manners to admit it.

[devilgrrl]

44. This thread is about Michael Reagan not Adopted children!!!!

"I do get a kick out of what's his name...the stem cell kid"

Now that's classy!

[Misinformed01]

45. Sorry, don't pay much attention to the Reagans

can't remember his name...although I'm thinking Ron Jr. sounds right.

However, as far as your post being about Micheal Reagan and not adopted children...you were the one who called him a "fake."

That is both cruel and rude, and you should have the good sense to apologize.

Or risk being thought of as a jerk.

Stephanie

[Dorian Gray]

25. Cheswick's right....

I'm adopted. I wouldn't say he "hurt" my feelings, but what he said made me angry. Fake son, indeed. What a crock. Can't you find any other insults for the man other than attacking his parentage? Good grief.

Also, in this particular case, it appears as though Michael is closer to his father's views (adopted or not) than Ronald, Jr. is. So, I wouldn't exactly say that apple fell far from the tree. "Fake son," indeed!

[trotsky]

13. It isn't a matter of offending Michael or any right-winger.

It's a matter of offending adopted children in general. I am sure that you in no way intended to say that ALL adopted children are "fake," but the way it was worded, that's how it appears. And that is definitely not cool - for a Republican, a Democrat, or anyone.

[Misinformed01]

19. No, I think that's exactly what s/he meant to say

You are giving this poster way too much credit for having human empathy, or at the very least, decent manners.

[trotsky]

33. After reading some more of her responses...

I think I'll have to agree with you. How sad.

[Ducks In A Row]

6. agree, but it could be that being adopted makes him work harder to be...

more the Rethugs than any bio child of Ron and Nancy could be.

just a thought.

[bob reynolds]

11. possible...n/t

[Ripley]

7. Unfortunatetly the infiltrating freepers have rubbed off some of

their dirt onto some DUers. The air in here is getting toxic when DUers wish for Florida residents to DIE in a hurricane if they support Smirk.

Thanks for bringing the crap over!

[CatWoman]

12. that's because the bastard IS fake

he was all over FOX whining about Nancy liking Ron better.

Gimme a break!! After all, Ron is the baby and her natural son.

Plus, it's a know fact that Reagan himself couldn't stand Michael.

He didn't even know the guy's name PRE ALZHEIMERS.

he looked like such an outsider at the funeral.

[UdoKier]

57. God you guys are nasty!

It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant people are of what it's like to be adopted.

If Ronnie never warmed up to Michael, you should pity him for that. It hurts twice as much when you're adopted. Hell, that's probably half the reason he turned out to be a right-winger, out of a desparate desire to win Daddy's love.

Ron had it unconditionally, even if he was a lib and a ballet dancer.

I nver thought I'd see DUers bashing adopted people, trying to rub salt in their tenderest wounds for no reason.

[devilgrrl]

63. Nasty?

While we're on the subject of nasty...

How about Michael Reagan - which is whom this thread is about. This is a guy who blathers lies daily via his radio show. He claims Bill Clinton (and liberals in general) murdered people, dealt drugs, fathered children out of wedlock, etc... I can barely wait to hear what he has to say at the convention.

Oh wait! We're the ones that are nasty.

[UdoKier]

72. I don't care if you call him a cannibal.

But when you start calling adopted kids "fake", then those are fightin' words.

[Sloppyfourths]

2. Yes, rather harsh

I am sure there are a few adopted souls on this board. Your use of the term "fake" is offensive and hateful.

[devilgrrl]

8. Compared to some of the vitrol that flies out of Mr. Reagan's mouth...

I'll take that as a compliment.

[Sloppyfourths]

21. Good one......NOT!

"He's a journeymen slime and I'm an apprentice slime."

Not the best argument there pal.

[CatWoman]

26. and what are you?

slime first class?

[SemperEadem]

28. souls... that's a bush buzz word

[calico1]

4. I don't care for Michael's views

but I don't hold being adopted against him. As far as I am concerned, he is as much a child of Reagan's as any of his other children. I would never refer to an adopted child as "fake."

[0rion]

5. Mike really hammed it up at his father's Funeral.....

he's just another Neo-Con opportunist.

[Ducks In A Row]

9. And said hamming....

was right up the alley of any true son of Ronny!

:D

[dissention]

39. Well...

He could not have hammed it up any more than Bo Derek. ;)

[NervousRex]

17. The guy's an asshole.

But the fact he was adopted should be off the table. Their are plenty of other legit reasons to hate this prick...pick one and get on with it.

[Vickers]

20. After reading the thread...why do they call us bleeding hearts again?

:P

Fuck Michael Reagan. I don't care if he popped fully-formed out of Ronnie's forehead, he's still a RW punk-ass opportunist.

[NervousRex]

24. Ha!

I think it's safe to say that Michael was delivered anally.

[dissention]

35. LMAO!

I almost had a heart attack reading that! HA!

He's on Insanity every other week, bitching about how unloved he is and how he isn't Nancy's favorite and blah blah blah. I'm sure he'll take the stage and go on and on about how Nancy would just looooooooove to be there. The guy's a douchebag.

[NervousRex]

42. Yep

The Gipper's Little Nipper, was probably adopted to fetch Ronnies pipe and slippers every evening, hence the bitter spew.

[dissention]

47. Every time I see him...

He looks more and more bloated and constipated. But I guess those are the side effects of being as anally retentive as he is. ;)

[Cha]

31. Cause we're not facist murderers?

:(

[Vickers]

50. Thanks for proving my point!

:P

Being insensitive hardly equates to murder, does it? But you knew that.

[Cha]

40. Oooops! Double post!

:(

[WI_DEM]

27. first, he won't have the impact that Ron had at the dem convention

second, I agree with others who say that an adopted child is every bit or should be every bit as loved and wanted as a biological child. I think calling him a "fake" son was over the top. That is not to defend Michael who is a puppet of the right wing.

[devilgrrl]

34. Wasn't he raised by Jane Wyman?

Did Ronald Reagan not even recognize him at his high school graduation?

He parades around and acts as if like he and his adoptive father were inseperable and they weren't!!!!

[WI_DEM]

41. ok, I agree that much is fake

if he is saying he and his father were inseperable.

[theboss]

68. Then criticize him for sleazing his way into his father's legacy

And critize Ron Jr and Patti Davis while you are at it. All the kids (with the exception of Maureen who kept a pretty low profile) have been media whores for decades.

But why bring adoption into it and insult millions of people?

[oasis]

32. Michael is as shallow as his fake pappy. Lack of depth is easy to measure.

"Shallow as a parking lot puddle". That could be put on both of their tombstones.

[SemperEadem]

36. I don't draw the correlation between "fake" and "adopted"

""Wow! Ronald Reagan's fake son Michael to address GOP Convention"
Posted by devilgrrl
Is everyone shaking in their boots or what?"

I think everyone jumped to a false conclusion and made that the issue instead of the fact that Michael is a fake--in the sense that he was outside the Reagan family loop for a long, long time. Instead of his crying about Nancy favoring Ron, Jr., what about Jane Wyman, his mother?

No where in the initial post can I draw any inference that devilgrrl was speaking about his not being Ron and Nancy's natural son. The adoption issue is non sequitur to the point she was making. She didn't say Reagan's fake adopted son. You can be a natural born child and still be a fake.

[Nikki Stone 1]

38. Is your "fake son" post for real, or are you just trying to cause trouble?

Adopted kids ARE real kids. Period.

And this isn't about being a bleeding heart; it's about a silly ad hominem attack that reduces the credibilty of the poster.

[Chelsea Patriot]

49. Where exactly is the word "Adopted" in the original post?

The original poster used the word "Fake."

And immediately, everyone defined "Fake" as "Adopted."

And I went along with that ongoing interpretation, seething with indignation, like everyone else.

Until I went back and re-read the original post.

Amazing how one can be lead around by one's emotions!

[UdoKier]

43. As an adopted child, you can blow your comments out your ***.

Michael may be a jackass, but I've seen him speak tearfully about his odd relationship with his dad. It's very sad that they didn't treat him the same as Ron and Patti.

I'm very grateful that I had loving adoptive parents. I always knew I was adopted, but I always thought it was a good thing.

What a sick and mean-spirited thing to say.

[devilgrrl]

48. Their are adopted children that are loved...

their are those who are treated horribly and their are those who were raised in a single parent household after divorce and try to ride the coattails of the parent who left.

[KamaAina]

46. That would be "the very independent Michael Reagan"?

That's how he describes himself on his radio pukefest. I guess all appearances of objectivity have now gone down the drain...

How exactly is he "fake"? Is he made of Bakelite or something? I rather suspected as much.... :-)

[devilgrrl]

53. He makes it sound like he was tight with the family and he's not.

He's a fake - end of story.

[UdoKier]

55. The Reagans are the only parents he's got.

It's one thing to dislike his idiotic opinions, or even him, but to hit him on his being adopted is almost a low as Bush smearing McCain for "having a black baby" when he had actually adopted an Asian one (and besides, what's wrong with having a black child?)

[devilgrrl]

59. His adopted mom Jane Wyman is still alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When does he ever mention her?

[UdoKier]

61. Fine, you're right - all adopted kids are "fake"

They should all immediately run away from home and sell themselves into prostitution because their "fake" parents couldn't possibly love them.

Why not just admit that you made a callous, ugly and inappropriate comment, and move on to bashing Michael Reagan for the things he deserves to be bashed about.

[devilgrrl]

65. I'm not apologizing for anything - you took it wrong.

eom

[Ripley]

67. Yet in a post upstream you admitted you

"worded it poorly." That would account for why some of us "took it wrong." But instead of saying "I didn't mean fake child, but fake guy" you and others have attacked us for reading what sounded like a very callous attack on someone.

Sheesh.

[NervousRex]

69. Sounds like some thing Bush would say. n/t

[Athletic Grrl]

70. Nancy didn't adopt him

Jane Wyman did. So he needs to shut his fat yap about his step mother. She was probably no better or worse to Maureen. Hell, even Patti had it rough with Nancy until pops got sick. Their family dynamic was frankly horrible.

But as an adoptee, I also took the initial wording of the thread to imply the adoption angle. I guess it's like any other minority: you can never really understand it unless you've been there. Some words in some instances just carry those connotations and it's near impossible to keep track of every little thing that's going to offend someone.

That said, Michael is a scumbag and my adjective of choice for the opening line would have been "slimy." :evilgrin:

[NervousRex]

56. Not "fake"

Is he an asshole? - yep
Is he ca$hing in on his family name? - yep
Does he make NervousRex physically ill? - yep
Is he Ronald Reagan's fake son because he was adopted? - nope

end of story.

[PatGund]

52. Just because he's not Reagan's biological son....

Doesn't mean he's any the less his son.

Dislike his politics all you want. However, don't call him "fake" because he's adopted.

I've been the biological father for two children born for other couples, (both times were planned surrogate pregnancies). They are no less the children of the parents who wanted them enough to adopt them, as they are the children of the biological parents who gave that very special gift to those parents.

[THUNDER HANDS]

58. about the whole "fake" thing

I think was the original poster meant, wasn't that Michael Reagan wasn't a 'real' son because he was adopted, but rather, that he is 'fake' because he passes himself off as the natural heir to the Reagan legacy.

If you didn't know he was adopted, I doubt Michael would be the first to tell you.

He makes money off his adopted father's name.
He makes his career (whatever it is) off his father's name.

He made his life by projecting himself as Ronald Regan's son, and thus, someone to be listened to and respected.

And he shouldn't be.

Why? Because he's adopted?

No.

Because he's not Ronald Reagan's natural son, he's Nancy Reagan's son and he's getting rich off the Reagan name. That, to me, is the definition of fake.

[devilgrrl]

60. Thank you!

Now, if I could only articulate myself as well as you.

[wicket]

62. Nancy Reagan

I don't think he's Nancy's son, I thought he was adopted when Reagan was still married to Jany Wyman...but I could be mistaken.

[theboss]

66. He is Jane Wyman's son....

But, the point is, it doesn't matter whether he is adopted or not. He is still Reagan's son, just as much Ron is.

And I the fact that Nancy apparently mistreated him his whole life is an indictment on her, in my opinion. I don't really like any of the Reagan kids, but it's pretty obvious they were screwed up by their family situation with Nancy at the center.

[theboss]

64. But he IS Reagan's son.....

And what is he doing differently than Ron Reagan, Jr, aside from the fact that he is doing it for the other side. Ron, Jr. has a lucrative career as a pseudo-journalist/writer and he gets to address the DNC in Prime-Time.

Would he be doing any of this if his name was John Smith? Of course not.

Is it tacky to use a father's name to achieve success? Yes, I think it is. But it comes with the package and there are myriad examples. Whether it's Frank Sinatra, Jr getting booked to play Tahoe at age 19 or John Kennedy, Jr addressing the DNC at age 28.

I don't like Michael, but he is just as much a Reagan as Ron, Jr is. And he has just as much right to use his father's name to prop up his career.

[Moderator]

71. Locking.......

There seems to be a misunderstanding here and
this thread has become flamebait. The author
may repost this thead and clarify what she
meant to say.

I would also like to remind everyone that
personal attacks are rule violations. Please
try to disagree without personally attacking
the other person.


Thank you.


DU Moderator