Time for the truth about the swiftboat liars

[JPJones]

In the commercial:
George Elliot, Lt. Cmdr.
Al French, Ensign
Lewis Letson, Medical Officer
Van Odell, Gunners Mate, 2nd class
Jack Chenoweth, Lt. J.G.
Roy Hoffmann, Rear Admiral
Adrian Lonsdale, Cmdr.
Bob Elder, Lt.
Grant Hibbard, Lt. Cmdr.
Shelton White, Lt.
Joe Ponder, Gunner's Mate, 3rd class
Bob Hildreth, Lt.

DU researchers, start your engines.

[JPJones]

1. Elliot and Hibbard

"The two officers who directly supervised Kerry, Grant Hibbard and George Elliot, joined the group even though they wrote glowing evaluations of Kerry during his service in Vietnam. But Elliot said his opinion of Kerry changed after Kerry testified in 1971 before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and described instances of indiscriminate killing, torture and rape by U.S. troops."

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/politics/8589745.htm?1c

[The Spirit of JFK]

5. Eliot gave Kerry high marks

George M. Elliot, his commander in early 1969, wrote, "In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action, Lt. j.g. Kerry was unsurpassed."

Mr. Elliot added, "His bearing and appearance are above reproach."


http://www.politicalmachine.com/Forums.asp?c=1&MID=3&AID=22898&u=0

[Robin Hood]

14. Bwahahahaha!!! Abu Ghraib.

Of course we all know that the U.S. military has no history of indiscriminate killing, torture and rape by U.S. troops.

[wicket]

2. Grant Hibbard's credibility was destroyed by Daily Howler

Here: http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh050504.shtml

[wicket]

3. Roy Hoffman didn't know Kerry personally

http://mediamatters.org/items/200406020006

[The Spirit of JFK]

4. Hibbard (for starters)

"In the United States military, there's no ideology — there are no labels, Republican or Democrat — when superiors evaluate a man or woman's service to country. Mr. Kerry's commander for a brief time, Grant Hibbard, now a Republican, gave Mr. Kerry top marks 36 years ago.

http://hightower.fmp.com/weblogitem.php?id=1191

"The campaign did post an evaluation of Kerry by Hibbard. Hibbard's evaluation was brief and incomplete because Hibbard oversaw Kerry's service for only about two weeks. Kerry's duty under Hibbard included 'counter infiltration operations against Viet Cong forces. Engaged in combat operations.' Hibbard marked a few performance categories, noting that Kerry's initiative, cooperation, and bearing ranked among the top few. But unlike other evaluators who wrote about specific actions by Kerry, Hibbard did not do so, providing this explanation: 'The short period LTJG Kerry was attached to Coast Division 14 prevents further evaluation.'"

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/04/22/navy_records_detail_kerry_vietnam_duty?pg=2

[papau]

6. Good info at links below - close connection to Bush - family lawyer!!!

Disinfopedia
Aug. 2004

John Ellis O'Neill, now a Houston lawyer, is "the guy George W. Bush trotted out to attack John Forbes Kerry's military service, also did Richard M. NIXON's DIRTY anti-Kerry work (in addition to clerking for Supreme Court Justice William H. Rehnquist).

A PARTISAN HACK spanning multiple administrations," according to The Daily Kos blog site. <1> (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/22/1551/39504)

The Kos states the obvious that two REPUBLICAN presidents have used O'Neill "to try and discredit Kerry's post-service ANTI-war efforts." <2> (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/21/172634/848)

<snip>

The Kos expended great effort to discover who O'Neill is and writes on April 22, 2004 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/22/1551/39504), that "We also found out that he's a partner at the Houston firm of Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson and Fulkerson. One of his co-partners is Margaret A. Wilson, who was George Bush's general counsel 1998-2000.



"Well, there's more about good ol' Margaret," the Kos continues. "She was a lawyer at Vinson & Elkins before she worked for Bush. Vinson & Elkins was ENRON's main law firm -- the very firm that facilitated ENRON's frauds (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/front/1538107).
Vinson & Elkins was also the firm that SPAWNED Alberto R. Gonzales -- Bush's current general counsel.
"In other words, Vinson & Elkins and COPWF (http://www.copwf.com/) are the very embodiment of the Houston good ol' boy REPUBLICAN network. That this network spawn Kerry's harshest critic should be of no surprise (his career was probably made thanks to the NIXON DIRTY work). Thus, there should be no illusions that O'Neill is in any way an independent and impartial critic of John Kerry."


The Kos also located the March 31, 2004, Houston Chronicle article "An old Kerry foe, Houston lawyer back in spotlight" (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2476454) by Bennett Roth:



"In 1971, O'Neill squared off against Kerry on the Dick Cavett Show (http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=176287540) in a 90-minute, televised forum in which the two Vietnam War veterans sparred over the U.S. role in Southeast Asia.
"President Nixon and top aide Charles W. Colson had taken a keen interest in O'Neill as part of their effort to discredit Kerry AND the anti-war movement, according to memos and tapes in the National Archives.


<snip>



Read this at: http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_E._O'Neill

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. John Ellis O'Neill is this guy's name??

As in John Ellis of FAUX News? Or John Ellis Bush, governor of Florida?

Is this fucking son of a bitch a BUSH FAMILY MEMBER, for fucks sake??

Because that would have to be one HELL of a coincidence.......

[papau]

9. Business connections are obvious - but I doubt if any Family connection

but I just do not know

:-)

[AntiCoup2K4]

11. Consider the prevalence of recycled names in the Bush Klan

2 Prescotts, 2 Barbs, 2 Jennas, and at least 4 Georges and that's just within the last century. Why not a third John Ellis?? Now if only there were some detailed personal info.

True, it's not conclusive. But Ellis isn't a common middle name that I know of, and the fact that this bit of info made it into the public eye could easily account for the quick retreat by the right wing mediawhores.

[papau]

10. Sounds reasonable - I know his elders /cousins are on same oil trust

board as Bush's elders/cousins -

And the Bush's do hide their wealth through the various trusts and other legal forms -

So he could be family

but I just do not know

:-)

[JPJones]

8. George Elliot

In a combat environmetn often requiring independent, decisive action LTJG Kerry was unsurpassed. He constantly reviewed tactics and lessons learned in river operations and applied his experience at every opportunity. On one occasion while in tactical command of a three boat operation his units were taken under fire from ambush. LTJG Kerry rapidly assessed the situation and ordered his units to turn directly into the ambush. This decision resulted in routing the attackers with several enemy KIA.
LTJG Kerry emerges as the acknowledged leader in his peer group. His bearing and appearance are above reproach. He has of his own volition learned the Vietnamese language and is instrumental in the successful Vietnamese training program.
During the period of this report LTJG Kerry has been awarded the Silver Star medal, the Bronze Star medal, the Purple Heart medal (2nd and 3rd awards).

George Elliot

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Fitness_Reports.pdf
page 22

[JPJones]

12. Shelton White - overlapped about 1 month

Boat: PCF 66
John Forbes Kerry, LTJG, OinC 10/68-4/69 An Thoi

Boat: PCF 42
Robert Shelton White Jr, LTJG, OinC 3/69-10/69 Cam Ranh Bay

http://swiftboats.net/

[JPJones]

13. Bob Elder

Citing the top Democrat's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam, Elder told Chavez, "We regard the fact that he rallied the American public against his fellow comrades in arms as basically a betrayal of all of us."

PCF 43
Robert G. Elder, LTJG, OinC 10/68-2/69 An Thoi

Time in country: 4 months

Want to send him an e-mail?
http://www.swiftboats.net/

[LTR]

15. Site owner: Freepers?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2165539&mesg_id=2165539