If the US had not INVADED Iraq, those UN workers would be alive!

[Kbowe]

Plain and simple!

[quinnox]

1. I understand the point

you are making, but that isn't necessarily true.

[HootieMcBoob]

5. No you're absolutely correct

They could have each slipped on roller skates and fallen down the stairs. They could have each individually walked out in front of busses. There area any number of ways that each of those individuals would all be dead right now if the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq. They could each have eaten way too much pastrami. They could have each accidentally inhaled while blowing up a balloon and choked to death. The list just goes on and on....

There's no doubt that they would all be dead today anyway. The United States bears no responsibility in their deaths whatsoever. They need to take personal responsibility for their own deaths. Not us.

*sorry i couldn't unstick my sarcasam key*

[NewGuy]

2. If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he jumped.

You are correct that not invading Iraq may have saved these particular people. However, this shows correlation not causation. These deaths were caused by militant fanatics.

[NNN0LHI]

3. No more of a militant fanatic then I would be if America was invaded n/t

[outinforce]

9. A Question for You, Don

"No more of a militant fanatic then I would be if America was invaded"

Let's suppose that the USA is being ruled by a thug. A thug with little or no respect for the law. A thug who tramples civil rights, and who installs other thugs as members of his administration.

Let's also assume that this thug makes it almost impossible to oust him and his band of thugs. Opposition to him and to his administration means imprisonment at best and a very slow, very painful death at worst.

And then let's assume that an outside country "invades" the USA and deposes the current thug-in-power and his gang of thugs. But let's assume that since the thug-in-power does not wish to relinquish power, the "invading" country has to resort to bombing Washington, DC.

But, in the end, the invading power does get rid of the current thug-in-power and his band of thugs. And then let's assume that the invading power sets about to try to rebuild the infra-structure of Washington, DC. And Let's also assume the UN wants to play a role in the rebuilding of Washington, and even goes so far as to establish an office in a hotel in downtown Washington.

Are you really suggesting that you would be a "militant fanatic" that might engage in blowing up a UN mission under those circumstances??

[NNN0LHI]

11. If while all of that was going on the "liberating" country was trying...

...to pump my countries only wealth (oil) out of my country for a price that they set and begin signing contracts for rebuilding DC with companies from the "liberators" country that I have no control over. And start kicking in my door and putting bags over my head, and frisking my wife and daughters looking for the bad guys in the middle of the night. The devil is in the details. The details are needed to answer your question.

Of course if after the liberation it was all puppy dogs, rainbows, and soothing music, as the Bush spinners would have you believe it is in Iraq right now there would be no problem. But that is not the case here. We are not in Iraq to liberate anyone. We are there to liberate the Iraqi's from their only source of wealth. I think you know that?

Don

[Paschall]

4. Are we gonna play CNN here...

...and announce that the blast was caused by C4 plastic explosive even before the pretext of an inquiry?

Militant fanatics? Perhaps. But could we wait until the facts are in?

[NewGuy]

6. I had thought that was...

generally agreed to. At least one group has claimed responsibility and there was much discussion of the blast and wether it was a rocket or a truck bomb. Are you saying that there is some evidence that the explosion was not the work of the terrorists who have claimed responsibility?

[Paschall]

7. Claimed responsibility?

Who was that? Gotta link?

[Paschall]

10. Just found a link

"No group has yet claimed responsibility."

[stickdog]

14. What makes you say that?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=205182

[UTUSN]

8. LIMBOsevic' Spin

Follow this:

He said that the U.N. people had made a conscious decision to distance themselves from U.S. protection, from any outward association with U.S. forces. That the rationale for this was the antagonism of the Iraqis vis a vis the U.S. forces. That, otoh, the U.S. forces were the only protection available, so the U.N. decision was foolhardy and consequently INVITING what happened.

Haha, Kofi ANNAN just said "mistakes have been made BY THE COALITION and by (everybody else). I don't want to get into finger-pointing."

There's that no-finger-pointing again.

[ArkDem]

12. If I had never been born, I would never die

.

[realFedUp]

13. If the US troops had guarded as well as they do the palace

it wouldn't have had a chance to be bombed.