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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 06:59 PM
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Does it bother anyone that Chalabi's nephew Salem will prosecute Saddam?
In December, Iraq's Governing Council was authorized to set up a special tribunal to try war crimes, and a team of U.S. investigators has begun gathering evidence against Saddam and others in his ousted regime.

But the court will be created and run by Iraqis, and is still in a planning stage.

The delegation that traveled to the Netherlands was led by Iraqi lawyer Salem Chalabi, who is coordinating the creation of the new tribunal. Chalabi is a nephew of Ahmad Chalabi, a member of the Iraqi Governing Council.

Salem Chalabi has said the Iraqi tribunal would prosecute lower-ranking suspects before trying Saddam.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2004/04/07/iraqi_delegation_visits_netherlands/



Salem Chalabi, Ahmed Chalabi's nephew, has associated himself with the so-called Iraqi International Law Group, whose site boasts that their "clients number among the largest corporations and institutions on the planet."

And that: " . . . they have chosen IILG to provide them with real-time, on the ground intelligence they cannot get from inexperienced local firms or from overburdened coalition and local government officials." http://www.iraqlawfirm.com/

Ahmad Chalabi, is a wealthy, U.S.-educated banker whose family fled Iraq when the monarchy was overthrown in 1958. Chalabi's CIA contacts led to the formation of the Iraqi National Congress in 1992.

Chalabi's influence in Washington comes from conservatives in and out of the administration who have been advocating for the deposition of Hussein and who are closely associated with the right-wing American Enterprise Institute and the Project for a New American Century.

Chalabi has been tried in exile by a Jordanian court and sentenced to 22 years in prison on 31 charges of embezzlement, theft of more than $70 million, misuse of depositor funds and currency speculation.

Some of Chalabi's influential friends in the White House include, twenty-year friend Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.
Douglas J. Feith, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy and Director of Iraq reconstruction is one of Chalabi's main shills in the Pentagon.

Feith used Chalabi's web of misinformation about Iraqi WMD's to develop a rationale for war against Saddam; including the ‘intelligence' that Saddam was conspiring with bin Laden.

Here is a family (Chalabi) that has ingratiated themselves with monied influences, in and out of our government. Their administration benefactors spread our tax dollars around the world with abandon, yet treat the most urgent of our basic needs here at home with miserly neglect. Consistent with Ahmed's U.S. military escort back to his homeland, the Chalabis will assume whatever mandate for power, money, or influence that their Pentagon cabal will provide.



These are excerpts from my book, Power Of Mischief: http://www.returningsoldiers.us/pompage.htm

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0974735205/002-0073119-5222456?v=glance&s=books|Me Book]


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buddy22600 Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:00 PM
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1. no
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:03 PM
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6. Care to elaborate?
conflict of interest

n : a situation in which a public official's decisions are influenced by the official's personal interests
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:01 PM
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2. Will Poppy, Rummy, etc, take the stand?
will they be considered contributors, or enablers, to Saddam's crimes?

:shrug:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:09 PM
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9. Good questions
Saddam Hussein was, without question, the leader of a brutal dictatorship. As many as 300,000 Iraqis are believed to have been deliberately murdered by the regime in the "Anfal campaign" against the Kurds, and the assaults on the Marsh Arabs and southern Shi`a populations, which resulted in thousands of more dead. http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/iraqanfal/ANFALINT.htm
http://www.hrw.org

Between 1977 and 1987, some 4,500-5,000 Kurdish villages were systematically destroyed, and the survivors were forced into concentration camps. http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/04/iraqtribunal.htm

Many of the atrocities took place at a time when the U.S. was actively supporting Hussein in a manufactured revolution against the Iranian government, whose leaders had humiliated Americans in the '70's hostage crisis.

Iraq used chemical weapons in 1983-1984, during the Iran-Iraq war. It has been reported that some 20,000 Iranians were killed by mustard gas, and the nerve agents tabun and sarin.
In 1988, Iraqi soldiers invaded Kurdistan and rounded up more than 100,000 Kurds and executed them. In March 1988, in the town of Halabja, more than 3,000 civilians died from chemical gas attacks by the Iraqi military.

Iraq has been rightly condemned by the U.S. and most of the international community for these and other deadly actions against its citizens and its neighbors. But Iraq did not operate against its enemies alone or without our knowledge, and in many instances, U.S. support.

Nightline, in Sept. 1991 reported that the Atlanta branch of an Italian bank, BNL, was able to funnel billions, some of it in U.S. credits, to Iraq's military. The U.S. apparently knew of the transfers and turned a blind eye. Nightline Show #2690 - Sept. 13, 1991

"Sophisticated military technology was illegally transferred from a major U.S. company in Lancaster, Pennsylvania to South Africa and Chile and, from there, on to Iraq. The Iraqi-born designer of a chemical weapon plant in Libya set up shop in Florida, producing and then shipping to Iraq chemical weapon components. The CIA, the FBI and other federal agencies were made aware of the operation and did nothing to prevent it."

The report further states: "During the 1980s and into the '90s, senior officials of both the Reagan and Bush administrations encouraged the privatization of foreign policy, certainly toward Iran and Iraq. They made a mockery of the export control system; they found ways of encouraging foreign governments to do what our laws prohibited. They either knew or, if not, were guilty of the grossest incompetence, that U.S. companies were collaborating with foreign arms merchants in the illegal transfer of American technology that helped Saddam Hussein build his formidable arsenal."

It summarizes that, "Iraq, during much of the 1980's and into the '90s, was able acquire sophisticated U.S. technology, intelligence material, ingredients for chemical weapons, indeed, entire weapon-producing plants, with the knowledge, acquiescence and sometimes even the assistance of the U.S. government."

The New York Times reported in Aug. 2002 that during the Reagan administration, the U.S. military provided Saddam with critical intelligence that was used in Iraq's aggression against Iran, at a time when they were clearly using chemical and biological agents in their prosecution of that war. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/globalissue/usforeignpolicy/iraq1980scontent.html

The United States was an accomplice in the use of these materials at a time when President Reagan's top aides, including then- Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Defense Secretary Frank C. Carlucci and Gen. Colin L. Powell, then national security adviser, were publicly condemning Iraq for its use of poison gas, especially after Iraq attacked Kurds in Halabja.

The classified support reportedly involved more than 60 military advisors from the Defense Intelligence Agency who provided detailed information on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb-damage assessments for Iraq.

A retired intelligence officer recalled that, in the military's view, "The use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern."

A 1994 Senate Banking Committee report, and a letter from the Centers for Disease Control in 1995, revealed that the U.S. had shipped biological agents to Iraq at a time when Washington knew that Iraq was using chemical weapons to kill thousands of Iranian troops.
http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/report/riegle1.html
http://www.businessweek.com:/print/bwdaily/dnflash/sep2002/nf20020920_3025.htm?db

The reports showed that Iraq was allowed to purchase batches of anthrax, botulism, E. coli, West Nile fever, gas gangrene, dengue fever. The CDC was shipping germ cultures directly to the Iraqi weapons facility in al-Muthanna.

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has a collection of declassified government documents that detail U.S. support of Saddam's regime. This is the collection that contains a photograph of Saddam Hussein shaking hands with Ronald Reagan's Middle East envoy, Donald Rumsfeld, who apparently said nothing to Saddam about his nuclear weapons program or his use of chemical weapons. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/special/iraq/index.htm (The Saddam Hussein Scrapbook, National Security Archive George Washington University)


These are excerpts from my book, Power Of Mischief: http://www.returningsoldiers.us/pompage.htm

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0974735205/002-0073119-5222456?v=glance&s=books

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:11 PM
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13. they didn't redact those pages from the WMD declaration for nought
the truth is that the people currently in charge of this country ENABLED and ASSISTED Saddam in his atrocities, and by their own standards of responsibility, they are not "with us"

they are "against us"


if you assist a dictator, you deserve the same fate, IMHO
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:01 PM
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3. of course
it will be a propaganda circus
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:02 PM
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4. As I said in another thread
The fact that a Chalabi is involved with Saddam's trial lets you know that the fix is in.

If the US wanted this trial to have a shred of legitimacy, they'd send him to the Hague.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:02 PM
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5. As in bother me more than the rest of this?
No.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:10 PM
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11. one Chalabi is more than enough
And we're still paying him over $300,000 a month for the kindness of having lied to us about illusionary WMD.

Sadaam will never go to trial. He's got wayyyy too much dirt on us.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:11 PM
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14. Probably true.
I just have trouble getting any more worked up than I already am.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:04 PM
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7. You expected a fair trial? Come on those poor sleps in Cuba
can't even talk to anyone. IT will be a fine 24/7 ConservitiveNewsNetwork ad for the shrub in the middle of the summer when Kerry should be making his push. It works great for the shrub he gets 24/7 ads and Kerry can't get his message out with the final act being the execution of Saddam another trifecta for the shrub.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:12 PM
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16. Another Chalabi will enrage the Iraqui Mujaheedin still loyal to Saddam
and guarantee more terrorism and assaults on anything American.

Congrats to W the uniter of the Sunnis and Shia for the first time in
84 years. A great peacemaker, but not for the US.
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:08 PM
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8. Salem is what is called ...
... a hanging judge. Saddam is dead. Nothing will be spoken of US's prior collaboration with Saddam. The trial outcome has already been decided.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:13 PM
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17. True
Milosevic is able to hold the floor for as long as he wants, speak for as long as he wants in his trial just because he represents himself. Under Iraqi law, you can't represent yourself unless you are a lawyer, no one can. There will be less of an opportunity for Saddam Hussein and it will be a sham trial.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:09 PM
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10. It is a set-up, pure and simple....
it will have NO credibility around the world but, then again, nothing that the bus cabal sets up in Iraq will have credibility.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:10 PM
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12. No worse than the trial being held in our newest colony
subject to the rules of our government. The Republicans won't appoint a judge in the US without making sure he or she agrees on every issue with the wackos, why would they appoint anyone to govern in Iraq who hasn't already agreed to the death penalty for Hussein?

Don't bother watching this trial, it's just another orchestrated commercial for W, and it will just piss you off more.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:11 PM
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15. Nothing wrong with nepotism
:eyes:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:39 PM
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18. House of Bush, House of Saud, House of Chalabi
sequel to the current best-seller
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:49 PM
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19. What bothers me is Salem Chalabi's alliance with ultra-Zionist Marc Zell
"Sam Chalabi's 'partner for international marketing' is Marc Zell, a rightwing Zionist lawyer who has offices in Jerusalem and Washington and previously ran a legal practice with Douglas Feith - now a leading Pentagon hawk with responsibility for the reconstruction of Iraq.

<snip>

"American-born Mr Zell, 50, became interested in Zionism in the mid-1980s and made several trips to Israel - one of them sponsored by the Gush Emunim (Bloc of the Faithful) movement, which claims the territories occupied in 1967 were given to Israel by God.

"In 1988, at the start of the first Palestinian uprising, Mr Zell moved with his family to the Jewish settlement of Alon Shevut on the West Bank, acquiring Israeli nationality. The settlement was surrounded by barbed wire and sometimes came under attack, but the Zells said it was an ideal place for children. 'It's like a small town in Iowa,' they told Jewish Homemaker magazine.

"In the 1996 Israeli election Mr Zell campaigned for the rightwing Binyamin Netanyahu and was also at one time a member of the Likud party's central committee and policy bureau."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1057561,00.html
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 07:57 PM
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20. Or, his connection to Erinys
Erinys, a British company with offices in the Middle East and South Africa, guards the oil fields. Employees of Erinys make $88,000 a year, plus benefits - triple what most soldiers make. A bodyguard can cost as much as $500 a day. http://www.sunjournal.com/story.asp?slg=071203Words

A founding partner and director of Erinys Iraq is Faisal Daghistani, the son of Tamara Daghistani, for years one of Ahmad Chalabi's most trusted confidants. She was a key player in the creation of his exile group, the Iraqi National Congress, which received millions of dollars in U.S. funds to help destabilize the Saddam Hussein regime before the coalition invasion last year.

The firm's counsel in Baghdad is Chalabi's nephew Salem Chalabi.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5731.htm


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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 09:29 PM
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21. Uh, Yes? n/t
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