Russert tried to intimate that Kerry was mentally ill

[PCIntern]

when he asked him about his Vietnam nightmares which Teresa had apparrently talked about to someone. He was sort of Eagleton-izing him.

"Mr. Kerry, you have nightmares os we can't trust you with your finger on the button, since you're not stable. The only thing we have to worry about from misterpresident is excessive pretzel consumption."

[mouse7]

1. The truth... GOP thinks Veterans should be institutionalized

Every time a neo-con is in a competeitive race against a veteran, they claim they are insane.

[Warpy]

6. The only war heroes they recognize are the dead ones

...because the dead make no mistakes.

Their real heroes are the chicken hawks who dodged the draft, stayed home, and made obscene profit on war and death and misery.

[lostnfound]

16. at their own personal expense. nt

[MAlibdem]

26. No, if they did they might spend money of VA hospitals and such

for veterans who actually NEED help.

Instead they just piss on them (legislatively).

[FloridaPat]

2. Nightmares in Vietnam veterans is the norm. Most if not all

had nightmares. A lot could never come back to a normal life. A lot went off the deep end. Now that I see what is going on in Iraq, and the new stories coming out about Vietnam, I can see why. Our government is guilty of war crimes in both wars. Our commanders should be in jail or on the gallows.

Kerry admitted in the 70's to being involved in not nice events in Vietnam. War crimes against civilians. Seems that was the norm there too. If they go too far into his past, they should also look what's going on in Iraq.

[DenverDem]

3. If Kerry DIDN"T have nightmares about Viet Nam, THEN he would be insane.

It's POS prevaricating propagandist Russert that is mentally ill and should be institutionalized for reprogramming.

[Lisa]

35. he'd be a psychopath if he didn't have a normal stress reaction ...

Imagine having a President who LIKES war and inflicting suffering. (Actually, don't have to imagine ... Bush had such a wonderful time Stateside that he probably can't understand why anybody wouldn't want to repeat the experience ...)

[Tellurian]

4. He should have told Russert...

It seems we haven't learned anything from the Vietnam War..

What do you think Bush is doing to our troops in Iraq?

[elperromagico]

5. If I were Kerry, I'd give an answer like this:

"Tim, I don't think someone can watch friends and fellow soldiers violently die on the field of battle without being forever changed and haunted by the experience. But my experience in Vietnam led me to believe that no American soldier should be sent to fight in a war where the cause isn't just and the goals are not clearly outlined. The current leadership in the White House doesn't seem to understand that. Perhaps if they hadn't 'had other priorities' when their nation called on them to serve, they would understand that."

But I'm not Kerry.

[Kanary]

7. If those had been his words, I'd be more of a supporter.

Any chance you could write his speeches for him?

Kanary

edited to say: Your words are great, and I hope that you'll copy them off from right here and send them to Kerry. He needs to hear there are people listening who KNOW THE SCORE.

Thanks!

[elperromagico]

8. I wish. He has an interesting cadence.

Give him the right words, and he can be very inspiring.

[Tellurian]

9. Yes, that was good...but

I would edit this line:


"The current leadership in the White House doesn't seem to understand that because neither Bush, Cheney nor Rove have served their country in the militery. Other wise, if they hadn't 'had other priorities' when their nation called on them to serve, they would understand that."


you likey?

[elperromagico]

10. I'd leave out Rove.

Most Americans don't know Rove.

I might even leave out Cheney, because the "had other priorities" line is a direct shot at him.

[Tellurian]

11. The point of it is...

"Most Americans don't know Rove."

Kerry's message has to be crystal clear. And it might do him some good at some point further on down the road to start mentioning Karl Rove. After all, Rove is the brain behind Cheney and Bush's brain and should be subject to Impeachment along with the rest of the Motley Crew.

[kiahzero]

14. Um...

You can't impeach political advisors.

[elperromagico]

27. ... and he isn't subject to elections.

Get rid of Bush, you get rid of Rove. Let's get rid of Bush.

[kiahzero]

28. Exactly

Let's go get those Bush bastards, yes?

[elperromagico]

29. To get rid of rat shit, you get rid of the rat.

Bush is the rat.

[Tellurian]

36. No, but you can prosecute them for sedition and treason..

which reaches the threshold of High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

[RummyTheDummy]

22. So what if it's a shot at Cheney

BushCo. runs those stupid ads non stop. Who prey tell are they taking shots at with those?

This is politics, man. It ain't for the faint of heart.

[Name removed]

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[RummyTheDummy]

31. I read post 5

And you talked about leaving Cheney out BY NAME in favor of citing a rather obscure (to most Americans) reference of what Cheney said when asked about Vietnam. What exactly did I miss? I really hate it when people call other people on the carpet and they piss and moan about it, like you.
Everyone and everything is fair game, including people's actual NAMES. Why not just cut to the chase?

You're just plain wrong.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. If "most Americans" don't know Rove by now, they never will...

...and in addition to Junior, Cheney, and Rove, I would add the rest of the NeoCon chickenhawks by name:

<http://www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html>

<http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm>

<http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks%3BPoliticans%20Platoon>

<http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks%3BBarking%20Head%20Brigade>

<http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks%3BBureaucratic%20Battalion>

<http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks%3BPropaganda%20Platoon>

<http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks%3BThe%20Legal%20Department>

[madrchsod]

12. who gives a shit what

the fuck russert say`s? the last i knew russert didn`t have a silver starand neither does his "love" georgie bush. russert can piss off all the vets from all the wars who have nightmares all he wants,just proves to the world that he is a ass licking republican bitch

[Ripley]

13. Get used to it.

Dean was only target practice. Kerry will receive bigger ammunition. And perhaps he should fight back instead of playing nice.

[Reciprocity]

15. I sent him this e-mail.n/t

[robbedvoter]

17. generic label: anyone daring to oppose W is insane. Also, "would say

anything to get elected"
Clark got the "insanity" thingy very early on - as he was the most threatening to BFEE.

[osaMABUSh]

18. Kerry was a little too soft on his answer BUT

He acknowledged the nightmares but pretty much dismissed them w/o going into why a Vietnam Vet would have them. However, perhaps he is smarter than us. Why talk too much about it? It would give the impression he was defending himself over something that was bad or insane - precisely what RoveCo wants.

In light of his Vietnam experience and the speeches and action he took after leaving the service there is a lot of fodder for the Repukes and the media to sift through. I doubt Kerry would bring this up but I would contrast what Kerry said in 70's vs what Bush said back then. The obvious image is that Bush is on record for saying nothing because he was busy at the time trying to not serve his country. He was keeping a low profile and had nothing substantial to say. Kerry on the other hand was making national news and already was a formidable thinker and leader.

[soleft]

19. He also tried to connect Tresa Heinz to Ferraro's husband

By framing the question about Heinz's tax returns to Geraldine Ferraro's husband, who IIRC was investigated and had mob connections, he tried to create the mental connection between Ferraro's corruption and potential Heinz corruption.

Russert is sleaze.

[PCIntern]

20. I don't mind the hard questions

I mind the inferences - Dopey Americans will walk away and say - Lookit Teresa - she's just like Mr. Ferraro (not even his real name - but it doesn't matter). Dopey Americans will say - Kerry has nightmares, he's not well. Bush sleeps well - we know that, he goes to sleep at 8 PM, like a good boy after his toll house cookie and glass of milk. What a nice man.

[NJCher]

23. if it's any comfort

People that stupid aren't great at inferring.

Guess that's one thing r-w propagandists forget.


Cher

[TahitiNut]

21. Like baboons, they can only throw their OWN shit.

Every slander they try is truth when applied to them. Lie? When has Junior NOT lied? Insane? The Pathological Naricissist is several marbles short. Without a plan? Doh!?!

[BabsSong]

30. Perhaps Kerry should have asked what kind of mental damage

and hallucinations Bush has from being drunk until he was 40??

[Deja Q]

32. Intimidate, not intimate, surely?

Otherwise you make a good point.

[PCIntern]

34. No, I meant

intimate - rhymes with masturbate...accent on the third syllable

In other words, to imply, not intimate as in panties...

LOL.

[Snellius]

33. Russert didn't lay a glove on our boy.

Timorous Timmy looked like a pathetic pansy-ass. He even tried to imply that Kerry didn't deserve his first purple heart. He didn't seem to dispute the other two. Just being in Vietnam makes Kerry more of a hero than fat cowards like Russert and Cheney will ever be.