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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:44 PM
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Bush FEARED Osama Air Attack at the G-8 summit in July 2001
Here’s more EVIDENCE BUSH KNEW and DID NOTHING to stop the murders of 3,000 people. And it's from news reports before anybody ever heard of the 6 AUG 2001 PDB. In fact, both articles are from JULY 2001.

Smirk was scared of Osama at the G-8 summit in Genoa. In fact, the Italians (and I imagine the Americans) set up a SAM battery to protect the "dignitaries" and the unelected coward, who had to sleep onboard a US destroyer. This is BACK IN JULY, 2001 -- THE THREAT WAS THERE FROM OSAMA! Here's what set off the alarm bells...

Plot to assassinate Bush – reports

July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT)

Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/index.html

Here's more...

Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation
Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.

A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.

Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html

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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:46 PM
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1. Well of course
this information was actionable. It concerned Him and like any other rich GOP that is the only information they need to know.
Us regular joes, we're replaceable.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:50 PM
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2. 3,000 FUs
OFU = "One Fodder Unit." Attributed to George H. W. Bush Sr., by Al Martin in his article: "The Ambassador Wilson Affair: The End of Karl Rove -- And George Bush?" Published September 2, 2003, http://www.almartinraw.com/

Source: http://www.swans.com/library/art9/rmac14.html
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:00 PM
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3. But, but *'s royal hide is DIFFERENT from the 9/11 "collateral damage"
I mean, what don't you understand about how precious selected resident is in comparison to we mere mortals????? And if we must perish for his greater glory, so be it, sayeth the great and powerful *OZ.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:23 PM
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5. Hey! Ignore that moron behind the curtain!
Here's some background on the "Wizard of Oil"...

Oil barons court Taliban in Texas (fact is far stranger than fiction)

Source: The Telegraph
12/14/1997

Oil barons court Taliban in Texas

By Caroline Lees

THE Taliban, Afghanistan's Islamic fundamentalist army, is about to sign a £2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country.

The Islamic warriors appear to have been persuaded to close the deal, not through delicate negotiation but by old-fashioned Texan hospitality. Last week Unocal, the Houston-based company bidding to build the 876-mile pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, invited the Taliban to visit them in Texas. Dressed in traditional salwar khameez, Afghan waistcoats and loose, black turbans, the high-ranking delegation was given VIP treatment during the four-day stay.

The Taliban ministers and their advisers stayed in a five-star hotel and were chauffeured in a company minibus. Their only requests were to visit Houston's zoo, the Nasa space centre and Omaha's Super Target discount store to buy stockings, toothpaste, combs and soap. The Taliban, which controls two-thirds of Afghanistan and is still fighting for the last third, was also given an insight into how the other half lives.

The men, who are accustomed to life without heating, electricity or running water, were amazed by the luxurious homes of Texan oil barons. Invited to dinner at the palatial home of Martin Miller, a vice-president of Unocal, they marvelled at his swimming pool, views of the golf course and six bathrooms. After a meal of specially prepared halal meat, rice and Coca-Cola, the hardline fundamentalists - who have banned women from working and girls from going to school - asked Mr Miller about his Christmas tree.

CONTINUED...

http://www.mapcruzin.com/news/war111901a.htm
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:08 PM
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4. I'll kick to that
:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:41 PM
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9. Bushler busts his ass all day for the BFEE...
... and all he gets is a kick to the pants?

Ha ha ha ha (maniacal Democratic Donkey laugh)!!!!

Thanks, maggrwaggr! Here's some more old news for you, but it may be news to our late arrivals...

Carlyle's way

Making a mint inside "the iron triangle" of defense, government, and industry.

January 8, 2002

Like everyone else in the United States, the group stood transfixed as the events of September 11 unfolded. Present were former secretary of defense Frank Carlucci, former secretary of state James Baker III, and representatives of the bin Laden family. This was not some underground presidential bunker or Central Intelligence Agency interrogation room. It was the Ritz-Carlton in Washington, D.C., the plush setting for the annual investor conference of one of the most powerful, well-connected, and secretive companies in the world: the Carlyle Group. And since September 11, this little-known company has become unexpectedly important.

That the Carlyle Group had its conference on America's darkest day was mere coincidence, but there is nothing accidental about the cast of characters that this private-equity powerhouse has assembled in the 14 years since its founding. Among those associated with Carlyle are former U.S. president George Bush Sr., former U.K. prime minister John Major, and former president of the Philippines Fidel Ramos. And Carlyle has counted George Soros, Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud of Saudi Arabia, and Osama bin Laden's estranged family among its high-profile clientele. The group has been able to parlay its political clout into a lucrative buyout practice (in other words, purchasing struggling companies, turning them around, and selling them for huge profits)--everything from defense contractors to telecommunications and aerospace companies. It is a kind of ruthless investing made popular by the movie Wall Street, and any industry that relies heavily on government regulation is fair game for Carlyle's brand of access capitalism. Carlyle has established itself as the gatekeeper between private business interests and U.S. defense spending. And as the Carlyle investors watched the World Trade towers go down, the group's prospects went up.

In running what its own marketing literature spookily calls "a vast, interlocking, global network of businesses and investment professionals" that operates within the so-called iron triangle of industry, government, and the military, the Carlyle Group leaves itself open to any number of conflicts of interest and stunning ironies. For example, it is hard to ignore the fact that Osama bin Laden's family members, who renounced their son ten years ago, stood to gain financially from the war being waged against him until late October, when public criticism of the relationship forced them to liquidate their holdings in the firm. Or consider that U.S. president George W. Bush is in a position to make budgetary decisions that could pad his father's bank account. But for the Carlyle Group, walking that narrow line is the art of doing business at the murky intersection of Washington politics, national security, and private capital; mastering it has enabled the group to amass $12 billion in funds under management. But while successful in the traditional private-equity avenue of corporate buyouts, Carlyle has recently set its sites on venture capital with less success. The firm is finding that all the politicians in the world won't help it identify an emerging technology or a winning business model.

Surprisingly, Carlyle has avoided the fertile VC market in defense technology, which now, more than ever, comes from smaller companies hoping to cash in on what the defense establishment calls the revolution in military affairs, or RMA.  Thus far, Carlyle has passed up on these emerging technologies in favor of some truly awful Internet plays. And despite its unique qualifications for early-stage funding of defense companies, the firm seems to have no appetite for the sector.

CONTINUED (may require free registration)...

http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=4899
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:24 PM
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6. Bush stayed on a carrier offshore....
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 10:24 PM by Davis_X_Machina
...and not in Genoa.

Can the point defense system, designed against cruise missiles, of a carrier (Phalanx chain-gun), have given him that extra comfy feeling needed to get a really good night's sleep?

I mean, what's a chocolate on the pillow compared to virtually total protection against aircraft used as missile?

Which do you pick, the turn-down service, or the shoot-down service?

Or was it all a ruse to avoid surly Italian waiters?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:29 PM
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8. You just know the little prick likes to stiff the staff, too.
The Origins of the Overclass

By Steve Kangas

The wealthy have always used many methods to accumulate wealth, but it was not until the mid-1970s that these methods coalesced into a superbly organized, cohesive and efficient machine. After 1975, it became greater than the sum of its parts, a smooth flowing organization of advocacy groups, lobbyists, think tanks, conservative foundations, and PR firms that hurtled the richest 1 percent into the stratosphere.

The origins of this machine, interestingly enough, can be traced back to the CIA. This is not to say the machine is a formal CIA operation, complete with code name and signed documents. (Although such evidence may yet surface — and previously unthinkable domestic operations such as MK-ULTRA, CHAOS and MOCKINGBIRD show this to be a distinct possibility.) But what we do know already indicts the CIA strongly enough. Its principle creators were Irving Kristol, Paul Weyrich, William Simon, Richard Mellon Scaife, Frank Shakespeare, William F. Buckley, Jr., the Rockefeller family, and more. Almost all the machine's creators had CIA backgrounds.

During the 1970s, these men would take the propaganda and operational techniques they had learned in the Cold War and apply them to the Class War. Therefore it is no surprise that the American version of the machine bears an uncanny resemblance to the foreign versions designed to fight communism. The CIA's expert and comprehensive organization of the business class would succeed beyond their wildest dreams. In 1975, the richest 1 percent owned 22 percent of America’s wealth. By 1992, they would nearly double that, to 42 percent — the highest level of inequality in the 20th century.

How did this alliance start? The CIA has always recruited the nation’s elite: millionaire businessmen, Wall Street brokers, members of the national news media, and Ivy League scholars. During World War II, General "Wild Bill" Donovan became chief of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA. Donovan recruited so exclusively from the nation’s rich and powerful that members eventually came to joke that "OSS" stood for "Oh, so social!"

CONTINUED...

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:45 AM
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29. Genoa set for summit onslaught
Wednesday, 18 July, 2001, 14:03 GMT 15:03 UK


President Bush said anyone who demonstrates against the G8 was no friend of the poor



Up to 20,000 police and military personnel are involved in the security operation.

The huge force of officers and equipment which has been assembled to deal with unrest has been spurred on by a warning that supporters of Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden might attempt an air attack on some of the world leaders present.

Anti-aircraft missiles have been deployed at the airport, and naval vessels are patrolling the seas.

"It looks like we're at war," said one resident inside the red zone, Attilio Cipollina.

The summit has sparked massive media interest in Italy, with Wednesday's headlines dominated by the security alerts.

La Repubblica also comments that this may be the last G8 summit as the pillars of international politics crumble under the pressure of globalisation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1444922.stm

July 20-22, 2001: The G8 summit is held in Genoa, Italy. Acting on previous warnings that al-Qaeda would attempt to kill Bush and other leaders (see Mid-July 2001), Italy surrounds the summit with antiaircraft guns, keeps fighters in the air, and closes off local airspace to all planes. No attack occurs. US officials at the time state that the warnings were "unsubstantiated" but after 9/11 claim success in preventing an attack. Lying about Genoa keeps the public and the airlines uninformed about the seriousness of the current terrorist threat. FTW

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/popups/010720.html
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bubba_fett Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:26 PM
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7. kick!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:44 PM
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10. Hey, bubba! Really like the mutant!
Here's another:

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:04 PM
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11. That is the same time frame that Ashcroft, The Witchfinder, and others
stopped flying commercial.

Another thing that points to foreknowledge of specific warnings by BFEE AFTER 9/11 was the immediate taking of Cipro by Tommy Thompson and others well before the anthrax attacks-and when was the last time anyone heard of the progress of the investigation into the anthrax attacks?

Btw, Tommy Thompson hired Jerome Hauer from SAIC on 9-10-2001.
We know that the anthrax attacks involved Ames strain weaponized spores that were prepared by the US Army for the end user, the CIA.
With all the other things going on someone should take another look at this.

While innocent US Postal workers were dying in a hotzone, Tommy Thompson was bragging about his business negotiating skills to order 300 million doses of Cipro from Bayer, which is an I.G. Farben spin-off.

LIHOP, at a minimum, they clearly knew about specific warnings and specific threats before they happened.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:13 PM
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12. DU researchers into the anthrax attacks, if you have any good links
please start a thread or PM me.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:16 AM
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16. The topic is of topmost import.
... I wish I knew more about it beyond reading the Anthrax articles and the suspicious deaths of the world's leading microbiologists.

I venture to say the BFEE wants to rid the world of excess population, just like their Aryan-minded ancestors did to the people who got in their way.

Here's something new that I hopes prove of use, bob:

The Best BioDefense is BioOffense
Technology, not regulation, will protect us from bioterror


Ronald Bailey
Reason

Biologically generated superpathogens, beyond the control of medicine, are a truly horrific thought. And in an age when the West is facing enemies clearly not averse to shocking new means of warfare, they might be a horrifically realistic one.

Thusly, the federal government has launched a National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity. The NSABB will be operating by this summer, according to an announcement by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services earlier this month. The NSABB will oversee "dual use" biological research—research that could be used by therapists to cure, but which also could be exploited by potential bioterrorists to kill.

The NSABB will exercise regulatory oversight over any biological experiment that would: make human or animal vaccines ineffective; grant resistance to therapeutically useful antibiotics or antiviral agents for humans, animals, or crops; increase the virulence of human, animal, or plant pathogens, or make nonpathogens virulent; make pathogens more easily transmissibility or alter their host range; help evade diagnostic or detection methods; or enable weaponization of biological agents or toxins.

The NSABB seems intended to function much like the National Institutes of Health's Recombinant DNA Advisory Committee (RAC), which has ruled on the safety of genetics research since the 1970s. All experiments would undergo review by the appropriate Institutional Review Boards first, and if additional questions remain about an experiment's national security implications, the NSABB could conduct a further review and suggest limits on what is done and published.

CONTINUED with lots o' links:

http://www.reason.com/rb/rb033104.shtml
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:15 PM
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13. I had forgotten the bit about Bush sleeping on the destroyer.
Thanks for the kick to my memory!

I've been remembering today how we were "reassured" by the media immediately after 9/11 that all the members of the government were safe...and I thought then that they were only concerned about themselves and not about the American people. And nothing I've heard, seen or read since has disabused me of that notion.

They knew.

They lied.

And lied, and lied, and lied.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:29 PM
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14. How come Tommy Thompson hired Jerome Hauer on 9-10-2001?
Why did Tommy Thompson take Cipro before the anthrax attacks?
Why did Dyn Corp get approval for both anthrax and smallpox vaccines after completing Phase I clinical trials?
Why is there a cover-up on the health problems of our GI's that were administered these vaccines in BOTH the Gulf War and the war on terrorism?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:29 AM
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30. Did Jerome Hauer hire John O'Neil? and who is Thomas Monath
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 09:40 AM by seemslikeadream
Do you know bob

answered my own question


Who is Jerome "Jerry" Hauer?
Posted by: VALIS on Aug 25, 2002 - 02:17 AM


Jerome Hauer, Human Health Institute, is the man who put John O'Neill at the WTC and tipped the White House off to Cipro.
Very interesting stuff.....

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack."
Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_investigators_100101bioterror.html

In May 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute.

Why is Jerome Hauer not making national news yet?

He's becoming famous on the Internet. Not only for Republicans, who appreciate his long fight against bioterrorism, which he started three to four years ago.

Hauer is also controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998.

More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax.

But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career.

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/3020501.hym

The watchdog group JudicialWatch decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, but also against the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge.

It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10.
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

But things get really interesting when we consider that Jerome Hauer was also the man who in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill - the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center.

How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important?

We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker.

Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions.

The two French intelligence specialists Brisard and Dasquie (see: http://intelligenceonline.fr) published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were also published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. Last week, TIME magazine also tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles.

This should change immediately.

There is obviously a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason?

This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA.

Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.
http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer)
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/455218p-3643441c.html - (Hatfill)

But first, more about Hauer:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.

In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense.

Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack.
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York.

In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad.

CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others.

On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge"
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hatfill was at that time also Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID)

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he also knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes."

Hauer is still trying to save the world.

On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton).

Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed:
http://www.cfr.org/Public/publications/PubDiplom_TF.html

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:05 PM
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32. more Jerome Hauer
"....Release a White Paper explaining our goals and rationale for the war in Afghanistan, and outlining the evidence that the al-Qa'eda network was responsible for the 9/11 attacks....
...Disseminate stories of particular victims to convey the range of people killed in the 9/11 attacks-stress range of religions, races, income levels, etc...

...counteract myth that Mossad was behind the attacks by showing Jews killed, etc...

...Routinely monitor the regional press in real time to enable prompt responses..."

Hauer's deep connection to disinformation circles for his own purpose are well known. In 1998, he convinced New York Mayor Rudi Guilliani to develop a vaccine against the West Nile virus - almost one year before this virus broke out in New York.

To this end, Hauer introduced Col. Thomas Monath of Oravax (now Accambis) to Guliani and organised a business deal.

Hauer also continued giving bioterror lectures and writing terror scenario scripts. He organized a July 26, 1999, conference in New York for journalists and "thought leaders," on bioterrorism and "Reporting on Weapons of Mass Destruction - Responsibility, Reliability, Readiness." At the same time, he was heading the West Nile spray operation in NYC.

Bioterrorism and vaccines - a perfect payroll combination for Hauer?

Among the participants at this 1999 conference was Brigadier General Bruce Lawlor of the U.S. Army and the former FBI assistant director, Lewis Schiliro (NYC).

General Lawlor has in the meantime become the Senior Director for Protection and Prevention at the Office of Homeland Security:
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/bcsia/esdp.nsf/bios/lawlorbruce

Lawlor was the first commanding general of Joint Task Force - Civil Support (JTF-CS), located in Fort Monroe, Virginia. JTF-CS is a standing joint task force assigned to U.S. Joint Forces Command. Lawlor has taught at the U.S. Army War College and served as a consultant to the Defense Science Board.

Nothing is known about his further influence in preventing attacks on America.

However, as FBI assistant director, Schiliro supervised several counterterrorism investigations, including the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

But Schiliro gave up supporting Hauer in February 2000, too.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/terrorism/fail/

He left the FBI to move to credit card giant MBNA Corp.

And Schiliro wasn't the only one.

His close friend Louis Freeh - who was replaced in the FBI in August 2001 by Thomas Pickard as the acting head of the Bureau - started a new job as a Senior Vice Chairman at MBNA Corp in early September 2001 and began to collect shares.
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/in/k/krb.html

The background of the MBNA is very interesting. They helped the FBI in tracing the hijackers' credit card transactions, and had a lot of prominent helping hands. Among them was James Kallstrom, the former head of Special Operations, FBI.

BNA also has a controversial status among civil right groups. Since 1996, MBNA CORP has unleashed various bulldozers, dump-trucks and explosives in a savage attack on the Ducktrap Deeryard (major coastal wildlife area on Penobscot Bay, Maine USA) or continued with "dull roar of corporate jet noise".

Then, in April 2001, MBNA also had to deal with cheque fraud. Involved was Intelligent Finance, a Halifax-backed Internet bank and a bogus account for a guy named Vindel.
http://www.mbnasucks.org/kallstrom.html

Also interesting is the bio of another director of the MBNA Corporation: Bernadine P. Healy. She also serves as a trustee of the Battelle Memorial Institute and is President and CEO of the American Red Cross.
http://yahoo.marketguide.com/mgi/biograph.asp?rt=biograph&rn=5570N

On May 10, 2001, a few months before Sept. 11, she testified on "human challenges that we will face during a WMD attack":
http://www.slu.edu/colleges/sph/csbei/bioterrorism/official/congress.htm

The Red Cross and the OEM under Jerome Hauer worked very closely together.

Hauer's connections and insider information seem to be endless!

He also helped with the construction of the New York OEM headquarters known as "the bunker," on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center.
http://www.politicsny.com/reports/february02/2-14-02-sheirer.shtml

The CIA later confirmed that they also had an office in that building, next to the Department of Defense and the INS. For unknown reasons, 7 World Trade Center was the third skyscraper to collapse on Sept. 11. Officially, it began burning after debris from the Twin Tower collapses caused an illegal diesel-fuel tank inside the building to explode.

The presence of this large gas tank - also on the 23rd floor - with thousands of gallons of fuel far above ground, in violation of the fire code, was confirmed some weeks after Sept. 11th. There has never been an official verdict on the reasons for the collapse of WTC 7. A FEMA study failed to reach a clear conclusion:
http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch5.pdf

While the collapse of WTC 7 remains a mystery, it cannot be said that the deaths caused by the bio-attack a couple of weeks later were similarly due to incompetence. On the contrary, Hauer had a huge team behind him, and had already warned the White House. Why didn't he leak all his information in time?

In May 2000, the Johns Hopkins Center, in collaboration with the ANSER Institute for Homeland Defense, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and the Oklahoma Memorial Institute for the Study of Terrorism held a bioterrorism exercise at Andrews Air Force Base. Former Senator Sam Nunn played the President.

David Gergen played the National Security Advisor. Governor Frank Keating played himself, Frank Wisner was Secretary of State, ex-CIA director James Woolsey (ironically) played CIA Director, John White played Defense Secretary, and Dr. Margaret Hamburg was HHS Secretary. The Attorney General was played by George Terwilliger, William Sessions was FBI Director, and Jerome Hauer played FEMA Director.
http://www.hopkins-biodefense.org/pages/library/fema.html

"One of the striking observations of this exercise was the unfamiliarity of these distinguished and experienced professionals with the basic decisions and trade-offs associated with managing the response to the epidemic."

Observing was Tara O'Toole, MD, MPH Senior Fellow, Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies and at that time Deputy Director of Johns Hopkins Institute.

This started a series of different "war games."

On June 22-23, 2001, the same crew organised their last big scenario before Sep11th. They called it DARK WINTER. It was about a possible smallpox attack. Hauer participated as well, this time "playing" the director of the FBI. The whole list is still mirrored at:
http://www.hopkins-biodefense.org/participants.html
http://www.mipt.org/darkwinter06222001.html
http://www.homelanddefense.org/darkwinter/index.cfm

Among the other participants once again:
James Woolsey, ex-CIA director
Hon. Sam Nunn
George Terwilliger etc.

Observing, among many others, Thomas Inglesby, at that time Senior Fellow Johns Hopkins Institute

On July 14th, 2001 the testimony on DARK WINTER was released:
http://www.csis.org/press/ma_2001_0723.htm

But when the first anthrax attacks started, the only thing, which worked perfectly, was the distribution of the anthrax antibiotic Cipro, by Bayer. A couple of weeks later, Barbara Rosenberg of FAS (Federation of American Scientists), the magazine New Scientist, the biowarfare convention specialist Jan van Aken, and the ex-UN inspector Richard Spertzel came to the conclusion that the anthrax was homegrown.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991473

Rosenberg was also supported by Dr. Francis Boyle, a human rights lawyer and professor of law at the University of Illinois. An expert on international law, U.S. criminal law and nuclear weapons, Boyle has studied many different biowarfare contracts in which "safety levels were atrocious." He is also author of "The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence":
http://www.counterpunch.com/boyle0425.html

Hauer ignored the report by Barbara Rosenberg, but he certainly knew who she was. He first met her on April 10, 1998, at a "roundtable on genetic engineering and biological weapons" under President Clinton. The small group of outside experts and cabinet members present there included: William Cohen (at the time Secretary of Defense), CIA boss George Tenet, Craig Ventner (Celera), Joshua Lederberg (Rockefeller University, Defense Science Board), Thomas Monath (Oravax/Acambis, former CDC and USAMRIID), Hauer, and Barbara Rosenberg.

In November 2001, Hauer was still ignoring the investigations by Barbara Rosenberg, who had already worked out a list of possible anthrax suspects, scientists who would have been able to gain access to the original Ames strain from USAMRIID, Fort Detrick.


http://www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm

Among the suspects on this list were Battelle and the Battelle Memorial Institute administrators, who supplied the Dugway anthrax proving facility in Utah, where the only virtually identical Ames strain of silica-impregnated hyper-weaponized anthrax was found:
http://www.stlimc.org/print.php3?article_id=1295

Meanwhile, Hauer in November started an initiative known as "De-Mystifying the Biological Weapons Debate," and as a member of this group he claimed at the time that the main suspects for the anthrax attacks included "Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists"
http://www.basicint.org/BWreport.htm

Therefore we have a lot of questions for him.

Is Hauer in any conflicts of interest?

What was his coordination with FEMA?

Can Hauer confirm, if a FEMA team was already dispatched to New York on September 10, as spokesman Tom Kennedy said in an interview with Dan Rather (CBS, shortly after the attack)?

(INFO: An interview with FEMA director Joe Allbaugh took place on September 12th on CBS at 7:40:20 accirding to the CBS transcript)
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:WsMptQzZzY8C:tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/010912cb.html+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 )

On May 8, 2001, Bush announced a new Office of National Preparedness for Terrorism at the Federal Emergency Management Agency. At the same time, he proposed to cut FEMA's budget by $200 million. Bush said that day that Cheney would direct a government-wide review on managing the consequences of a domestic attack.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A8734-2002Jan19

Bush was aware of a possible attack, that is for sure.

But the questions are:

Did FEMA have prior knowledge as well?

How deep was the communication transfer between Jerome Hauer, the Pentagon, FEMA and the CIA?


Hauer not only knew former CIA director James Woolsey, but also Milt Bearden, who was station commander and had managed America’s covert war in Afghanistan, helping the Moujaheddin drive out the Soviets between 1986-1989. Both spoke at the Nassau Community College (NYC) on October 22, 2001:
http://www.sunynassau.edu/collegerel/news/archives/10_01/102201_3.htm

Hauer's connections to the CDC, Johns Hopkins and the CIA (James Woolsey) are well-established. What role did Jerome Hauer really play?

Why was the distribution of Cipro to White House staff on Sept. 11 classified for such a long time (AP)?
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/bush_cipro.htm

What exactly does Hauer know about Stephen Hatfill and his former USAMRIID colleague, Thomas Monath?

What was his main concern in organizing a security job for John O'Neill at the Twin Towers?

What exactly did Hauer organise on Sep11th? Is it true that his office ordered thousands of employees "back to their desks" after the first plane hit, causing hundreds of unnecessary deaths?

Did Hauer let both the Sept. 11 and the anthrax attacks happen on purpose?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:27 AM
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17. These BFEE types set up a Secret Government...
... and they didn't even invite the Democratic leadership to participate. It was part of their "Continuity of Government" program, a system operationalized, coincidently enough, during the Reagan-Bush years. The idea was that after a nuclear exchange with the Soviets, the US Gov could keep command and control with the military and state and local authorities.

Yes, DU Friend Lindsay, these monsters lied. And they knew about 9-11 beforehand and didn't lift a finger to stop it.


Bush on 60 Minutes - 9/11 events

by John Judge
26 September 2002

EXCERPT...

Note also, the decision about Bush returning to D.C. was being made by Cheney, not Bush. At a speech in San Francisco at the Commerce Club recently, Cheney mentioned that he now has the Black Box, not Bush. Cheney is the one being flown to the secured underground command and control center in Bluemont, Virginia when increased terrorist alerts start happening. And top-level management from various cabinet agencies are being rotated 24/7 at that location, with Cheney in charge of the "shadow government".

I contend that since 9/11/01 we have been in "continuity of government" mode, meaning decisions are made by a very limited number of officials, with FEMA, DOD and NSA calling the shots. The military stand down in relation to the Pentagon attack also had to be coordinated at a very high level. Both the events of 9/11, as they emerge, and the response to that event speak to me of a coup or shift of power. The glove is off the fist, as I had predicted.

Worse yet, the rationale for continuation and expansion of the military-industrial-intelligence complex is buttressed at a time when it is even more critical that it be challenged. If not for some disagreements in the ruling class, we would already be openly at war with Iraq. The bombings there and troop movements are already escalated.

Whenever factions fight like this, we get a peek behind the curtain. To have Madeline Albright today speaking about an "irrational exuberance for war" on the part of "some members of the Administration" is almost surreal, but it tells us something. Some want an openly aggressive empire, full of the arrogance of its power, and immune to any international or domestic limitations on its excesses. Others still want to retain a semblance of international cooperation (even if silently coerced), and an illusion of democracy in the decisions made, while still getting the same results.

CONTINUED...

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/BushOutOfLoop.html



Backup U.S. government in place

March 1, 2002 Posted: 10:12 PM EST (0312 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Nearly six months after the September 11 attacks, a backup government of federal agency officials is on standby at bunker locations outside Washington as a precaution against a catastrophic strike on the nation's capital, a senior official told CNN Friday.

SNIP...

Vice President Dick Cheney had been at "a secure and undisclosed" location for large portions of time since the terrorist strikes on New York and the Pentagon, precautions that were part of the bunker government procedures.

SNIP...

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said Friday he can't say much about the plan.

"We have not been informed at all about the role of the shadow government or its whereabouts or what particular responsibilities they have and when they would kick in, but we look forward to work with the administration to get additional information on that."

CONTINUED...

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/01/bunker.government/
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 01:08 AM
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18. There are many places a short flight from DC, Octafish
Camp David, MD.
Ft. Ritchie Cascade, MD-home of US Army Signal Command, fully sealed administrative arm of SITE R.
SITE R is near Waynesboro,PA-it is the location of the Alternate Joint War Room/AJWR and the Alternate Joint Communications Center/AJCC.
SITE CREED is just west of AJCC.
Raven Rock is located within Raven Rock Mountain, near Camp David-it has been hardened to survive a direct nuclear attack, it is an underground community complete with a man made lake.
Federal Reserve Communications and Records Center Culpepper, VA. is inside Mt. Pony, it contains billions of dollars in shrink wrapped currency-these fuckers routinely take pallets of them to delivery points worldwide where "loyalty" is on a cash only basis.

One would think that with all those command, communications and control centers in that region that they would have been robustly defended on 9-11-01.

Then there's US Space Command and NORAD inside Cheyenne Mt. in Colorado.
China Lake Naval Weapons Center Ridgecrest, CA. has over 50 miles of tunnel systems too.

Then there are parts of tribal lands of Native Americans as well as US National Parks that have restricted underground sites as well that are part of COG.

But the majority of them are in the DC area imho.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 11:05 PM
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27. Sounds like a most exclusive Country Club...
... with more than ample room in their Brave New World Order redoubts for their monster race of Übermenschen. Quite a marketing opportunity, too:

"Welcome to Underground Woods Country Club.
36 holes with an exclusive, private underground lake.
2BR, 2BACarriage homes starting at 40 mill.
Call 1-800-666-DOOM and ask for Mr. Scooter
to arrange a private appointment."



"Mr. Ambassador, when you hear the high-pitched tone,
that means the American ambassador's phone has melted..."
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:59 PM
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15. Kick
:dem:
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 01:36 AM
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19. Junior also had SAM's on the roof of his hotel in Florida on 9-10-01!!
And an AWACS plane was flying in circles over Sarasota.

And there's also the fact that on Sept 7th, Jeb signed an executive order, which called the National Guard into service to "assist law enforcement".

Seems like the Bush boys were taking all these precautions for a reason.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. LIHOP.
LIHOP, at a minimum.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 08:33 AM
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23. LIHOP and MIHOP are really the same thing, at heart, aren't they?
In both cases, members of the US Government knew of upcoming criminal activity -- acts of war, actually -- against the American people and stood down. Either in "Letting" or "Making," a government official would be the same thing: a Traitor.

BTW: While MIHOP seems to imply a more active role, what can be more active than having sold one's soul to Satan, or whatever it is these devils worship?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:58 PM
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34. Hatfield's famous article before he was suicided.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?
By James Hatfield


Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001-There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too. A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April. German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target-his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October. According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives. Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?.....
.more
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 01:42 AM
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21. Exactly. Then they came home and were afraid to stay in Washington.
It only got worse from there.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

During the spring as initial policy debates in the Administration began, I e-mailed Condi Rice and NSDC STaff colleagues that al Queda was trying to kill Americans, to have hundreds of dead in the streets of America. During the first week in July I convened the CSG and asked each agency to consider itself on full alert. I asked the CSG agencies to cancel summer vacations and official travel for the counterterrorism response staffs. Each agency should report anything unusual, even if a sparrow should fall from a tree. I asked FBI to send another warning to the 18,000 police departments, State to alert the embassies, and the Defense Department to go to Threat Condition Delta. The Navy moved ships out of Bahrain.

- Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies, p. 236

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Secrets of September 11

April 30 (2003) — Even as White House political aides plot a 2004 campaign plan designed to capitalize on the emotions and issues raised by the September 11 terror attacks, administration officials are waging a behind-the-scenes battle to restrict public disclosure of key events relating to the attacks.

<snip>

Some sources who have read the still-secret congressional report say some sections would not play quite so neatly into White House plans. One portion deals extensively with the stream of U.S. intelligence-agency reports in the summer of 2001 suggesting that Al Qaeda was planning an upcoming attack against the United States—and implicitly raises questions about how Bush and his top aides responded. One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike “in the coming weeks,” the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: “The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.”

The substance of that intelligence report was first disclosed at a public hearing last September by staff director Hill. But at the last minute, Hill was blocked from saying precisely who within the Bush White House got the briefing when CIA director Tenet classified the names of the recipients. (One source says the recipients of the briefing included Bush himself.) As a result, Hill was only able to say the briefing was given to “senior government officials.”

www.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?0cv=KA01

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Summer Spinning
Aug 29, 2001

<snip>

The White House had announced that Bush would stay at his 1,600-acre ranch in Crawford from Aug. 4 through Labor Day on Sept. 3, a 31-day stretch that would have broken a modern record for a presidential vacation, held by Richard M. Nixon for a 30-day trip to San Clemente, Calif., in 1969. News reports played up the record, and a Gallup Poll found that 55 percent of respondents thought Bush's vacation was too long.

The length of the trip revived old questions about Bush's work ethic, and the poll and the news coverage caused consternation in the White House. Aides said they had planned an ambitious schedule for Bush as long ago as late June, but reporters were not told about it, even after they landed here. The White House, suddenly defensive, took every opportunity to show Bush on the go and even created a "Western White House" logo for the briefing room at Crawford Elementary School. Bush revealed that his ranch had new video conferencing equipment for keeping in touch with his national security team.

www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A15957-2001

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A Working Vacation
Aug. 15, 2001

Vice President Dick Cheney took time off from his month-long working vacation Monday to outline his plans for August in Jackson Hole and to reflect on "an amazing year."

Cheney, who will live at his Teton Pines home about six miles west of Jackson until Labor Day, defended his energy policy, supported a local decision to limit drilling around the Gros Ventre Wilderness, recalled a life of service in Washington and said his health problems are not affecting his ability to fish for trout on his favorite Western waters.

www.jacksonholenews.com/Archives/NewsArchive/2001/010815-News.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ashcroft Flying High
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 08:30 AM
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22. They knew. And they sat by and let Attah fly. Some even made money.
Thanks for the great info, Stephanie. Much appreciated.

What's astounding is that so many people -- from the GOP hoplite to the denizens of the corner offices of the "spy-riddled, oil-soaked monopoly press" -- just go along like nothing happened. What sociopathy is capable of keeping them "functioning" members of society is beyond my understanding. Here are examples of some who actually have the presence of mind to keep on making money during times of national emergency.

BUSINESS/FINANCIAL DESK | May 25, 2002, Saturday

U.S. Suggests, Without Proof, Stock Adviser Knew of 9/11

By ALEX BERENSON (NYT) 1156 words
Late Edition - Final , Section C , Page 1 , Column 5

ABSTRACT - Asst US Atty Kenneth Breen says Amr Ibrahim Elgindy, San Diego stock adviser accused of bribing FBI agent Jeffrey A Royer to give him confidential government information, may have had prior knowledge of Sept 11 attacks; says Elgindy tried to sell $300,000 in stock on afternoon of Sept 10 and told his broker that stock market would soon plunge; Elgindy lawyer rejects allegation and says it appears to be motivated by fact that Elgindy is Muslim and was born in Egypt; FBI officials also say they have no evidence that Elgindy has prior knowledge of attacks; Breen asks Judge John A Houston to hold Elgindy without bond, calling he poses serious flight risk; Houston disregards Breen's claims about Elgindy and Sept 11; says there is enough other evidence that Elgindy might flee to justify detaining him at least until June 6 hearing to determine whether he should be moved to New York for trial (M)

CONTINUED...

Source:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10C15FA3F5F0C768EDDAC0894DA404482

The Creepy Freepies have it online:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/689248/posts
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:13 PM
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33. kick
TYY :kick:
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 07:50 PM
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24. I could see a nice revealing flash movie
shaping up here..

wish I got paid for doing this stuff, unfortunately the mortgage awaits :)

Good stuff here!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 09:12 PM
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25. All that matters is the Truth gets out.
You are doing an excellent job of that, symbolman! While there's zero money in all this, there is something that is even more valuable, as well as provides the greatest satisfaction. You are helping keep ours a country worth living in. You are helping make a better future for ALL Americans. You are helping make ours a better world for ALL the people of the planet.

I salute you my DU Friend. Perhaps one day the check will be in the mail. Even then, the biggest payday will be seeing the turds of the BFEE behind bars.


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KYDEM Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 09:57 PM
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26. Very good info needs to stay kicked
n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:50 AM
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28. Thanks for the memories
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31. Kick
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