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Amerpie Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:41 PM
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When My Military Son Spoke Out
REPOST (I'm new and didn't realize that the military affairs forum was so low traffic)


I'm a vet, and my son Drew joined the military during his last year of high school. Three months after he enlisted in June 2001, the world became a different place. Today he serves aboard the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Drew and I both grew up in Fayetteville, N.C., adjacent to Fort Bragg, home of the 82nd Airborne Division and the U.S. Army Special Warfare School.

Slogans abound here. The sign outside the Veterans Affairs Hospital proclaims, "Freedom isn't free." Practically every member of my extended family has some relation to the military. For my part, I served with the 2nd Armored Division and the N.C. National Guard from 1983-1989.

When the war in Iraq began last spring, I joined a small but committed local group of activists who protested weekly in the center of town. We got a mixed reaction from those who drove by. There were certainly plenty of thumbs up and other signals of approval. There were also plenty of catcalls and other fingers aimed in our direction.

During this time, Drew was home on leave. He met me at one of these vigils. He held a sign that read "Bring Our Troops Home." He wasn't in uniform.

While at the vigil, he answered a reporter's question about the war in Iraq. "I just don't agree with what we're doing right now," he said. "I don't think our guys should be dying in Iraq. But I'm not a pacifist. I'll do my part."

The reporter who interviewed my son worked for the Associated Press. The story he wrote ran nationally. The next day we received numerous phone calls from other journalists wanting to question this active-duty sailor who dared question the war. Drew declined all further requests for interviews. He never intended to cause a stir. His answer to the original question had been a simple, heartfelt reaction to the daily pictures of carnage that the embedded reporters were describing to the nation.

My son was prosecuted for his comments. The Navy charged him with violating Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice: Disloyal Statements. At his hearing, he was asked if he were a sympathizer with the enemy and whether he had considered acts of sabotage. To both of those questions he answered no. When asked if he regretted his comments, he also answered no. He was convicted and demoted.

Today we hear daily reports of American soldiers being killed in Iraq. When President Bush challenged the Iraqi resistance fighters to "bring 'em on," he put our soldiers at risk -- our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives.

The reaction we get now at our weekly vigils from those driving by is much more positive. Some people actually stop their cars in traffic to roll down their windows and offer shouts of encouragement.

From this experience alone, I can tell you that in one of the most pro-military towns in America, support for the war is waning quickly.

My own father spent years during my childhood serving in the U.S. Army in Vietnam. Steeped in military culture, I made a hero out of my dad and wanted to emulate him when I grew up. Now that I am grown, I have a new hero: my 20-year-old son.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:43 PM
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1. Your son is a good man
Please give him the best from the folks in Oregon.
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:46 PM
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2. Salute your son for me
Good guy

Thanks

DDQM
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:46 PM
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3. I admire your son for having principle.
Thanks for sharing this story, it's compelling.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:46 PM
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4. Sorry to hear about your son's
troubles, Amerpie. He is an honorable soldier that the military has chosen to be vengeful against. Too bad for them.

:hi: from a fellow NC'ian.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:47 PM
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5. Welcome and thank you.
and also thank you to your brave son.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:48 PM
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6. WOW thank you for posting this and welcome to DU Blessyou & your hero son
:yourock:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:49 PM
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7. Dissent must be punished
That story is terrible. Sympathizer with the enemy? Geesh.

Without being to particular I know of a regular GI Joe who(I 've heard through frineds) that if they called him to go (and he already has been in the actual war on terror) he was going to take his family and head north.

Good luck to you and your son. Thank you and him for your service. I served in the Army myself in the early 90's.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:49 PM
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8. thank you for reposting this here
while i am sorry your son has been harrassed for having an opinion that differs from cheney, it is heartening to hear that public perception of bush's iraq folly has finally started to catch up with reality and common sense. which hopefully will help your son and others like him who understand that this quagmire didn't need to happen in the first place. best of luck to both of you.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:49 PM
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9. You and your son have my sympathy. I had no idea
Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 02:50 PM by ftbc
someone could be prosecuted for such an honest, yet innocuous statement. This may explain the unquestioning patriotism of the horribly wounded in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1354516

Imagine being prosecuted for Disloyal Statements on top of these devastating injuries.

edit: spelling
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:51 PM
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13. You can't. Their case is complete bullshit.
See my other post, below.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:50 PM
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10. Wow.
Sir, your son represents the qualities of this country that I'd proudly fight and die for myself.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:50 PM
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11. This is total, complete bullshit, Amerpie
I myself am an Army Reserve officer who filed for Conscientious Objector discharge. I won't go into my case here, but I will tell you that I've become involved in CO/counseling issues in the time since.

About 6 wks ago, I attended a forum on military law at the New York Law School. The keynote speaker was an attorney who used to be an Army junior officer and had been practicing military law for the past 25 years.

He told us that all of UCMJ was founded in Title X of the United States Code. Basically, if it doesn't exist in Title X, it can't exist in UCMJ. The "free speech" issue falls directly under this.

Essentially, what he told us, was that the only thing you cannot do as a member of the armed forces is to present your views as representative of the armed forces. Other than that, you are COMPLETELY FREE to speak out against US policy as you desire.

Your son has been railroaded, it's that simple. I would suggest getting a civilian attorney practicing military law and appealing the decision. Since you're in Fayetteville, Quaker House would probably be a pretty good place to start looking.

BTW -- you've got one helluva son there. He must be a reflection on his parents and the way you raised him.
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:51 PM
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12. If you can't handle dissent you are in the wrong country.
I heard that on this board one time and think it speaks volumes. Thanks to you for speaking out and good luck and godspeed to your son.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:51 PM
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14. THIS is disloyalty?
"I just don't agree with what we're doing right now. I don't think our guys should be dying in Iraq. But I'm not a pacifist. I'll do my part."

Drew stated in the public media that he would do his part. What more could his so-called superiors want? Now they want to turn Article 134 into some sort of loyalty test?

I salute your son on behalf of all Texas DUers. We got lots of military folk down here at Ft. Hood and elsewhere, and they deserve much better treatment than this.
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Badger1 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:52 PM
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15. Thanks
Thanks for the story and thank your son. If we keep gining them hell, soon we'll have them all home.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:54 PM
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16. SONOVABITCH! From a Fellow Vet...
that is AWFUL!

Did you try getting your Congressperson/Senator involved. Wouldn't work if it was Bushevik, but maybe one of your elected officials is a Real American.

Personally, I wouldn't stop fighting it. Call the media, call Al Franken, call your congressperson!

I wish you and your son the best. It's just so WRONG and unAmerican what they have done to your son.

Keep fighting, if you can and if you have the inclination. The truth will win in the end.

Did he get Correctional Custody? Full Jail time? Other-Than-Honorable Discharge?

My advice: KEEP FIGHTING!
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:56 PM
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17. wow, unbelievable
Both you and your son are real patriots. I applaud both of you.

:thumbsup:
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cclark401 Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:06 PM
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20. I agree
I live 30 min. from Fayetteville and would be glad to join you the next time you plan an event. Email me with the date and such. I appreciate you and your son for all you are doing for the real Americans.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:58 PM
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18. All my best to you and your son...
You both have the kind of guts I hope I can muster some day. Doing the right thing isn't always the easist thing to do, but it's still right...

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 02:58 PM
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19. Your presense here benefits us all
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:11 PM
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21. Its individuals like you and your son that remind me what patriotism
is all about.

You are both making such a significant and positive contribution by your actions, not to mention by your leadership, and you are inspiring others to follow your lead. Thank you.

I so appreciate you sharing this.

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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:11 PM
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22. Honorable son.
Dishonorable military.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:29 PM
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23. Your story was very moving...
Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 03:29 PM by higher class
may I suggest that you compile a book - help others document their stories, others who may not be able to write as well as you - compile it for history - our children deserve it. Your DU name might be a part of the title. Think about it.

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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:30 PM
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24. Thank you for re-posting this
Thank you for your service to our country - in the military and as an activist.

And thank you for raising such a strong and intelligent son.

Since he is in active duty, I wonder if he has experienced any retribution beyond the demotion?
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:33 PM
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25. Thank You For Your Story
I think your son is brave in many ways. Blesisngs to you both, thanks for the lovely post.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:37 PM
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26. Thank you for sharing that
And thank your son for me, for speaking out and for being willing to serve, both. I agree that you should try to push this story- that such an innocuous statement could be made, out of uniform, and result in demotion, is ridiculous. Good luck to you!
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