Talking heads are shocked that Dems are united.....

[Webster Green]

But, but, Dean doesn't even like Kerry....Its not fair...wah! wha!..
what a hypocrite.....

Source: all the cable news whores, all day.

[wryter2000]

1. That's funny

I've been getting e-mails from Dean, Edwards and Clark via the Kerry web site. It's darned nice to see, but not a suprise, really. We've all been in this for one purpose, to take our country back from the RW.

[slor]

2. Wait until they see what happens in Nov...

When * is monkey-slapped back to crawford.

[MonicaR]

3. There Willl Be Dancing In the Streets on November 2

VR Day..Victory over the RepubliKKKans Day


Let's make it happen.

[juajen]

6. Have ya'll realized that this bozo

will be drawing $400,000 for life from us. Disgusting!

[Cary]

10. Yes. But he has to live that life!

[elperromagico]

18. I think most of us would be willing to pay far more than that

if it meant Dubya and his cronies were no longer wielding power in the White House.

[AZCat]

30. Even if just us DUers chipped in...

It'd come out to just over a quarter a day...

"A quarter a day, to send Dubya away!"

Wheeeeeeee!

[LoZoccolo]

4. Deanocrat from the left-wing freak show for Kerry right here!

YEEAAAAAAAARGH!

[GiovanniC]

5. The Name They Keep Bringing Up

"Democrats are NOT UNITED!! Zell Miller said... blah blah blah."

Hello!? Zell is no Democrat.

[elperromagico]

23. Zell's upset because the party doesn't meet his particular standards.

It's funny how "A National Party No More" could somehow coalesce behind a single candidate for President in less than two months, isn't it? Which Democrat's badmouthing Kerry? Not Dean. Not Edwards. Nope. It's Zell.

It's funny how that same "National Party No More" could put forward a candidate who, some eight months before the election, is either ahead of or in a statistical dead heat with the incumbent in almost every poll. Which Democrat has publicly rejected the Democratic nominee? Not Gephardt. Not Clark. Nope. It's Zell.

It's funny how a "disunited" party managed to stand up to Bush's most extremist judicial appointees and keep them from being seated on the bench. Had it not been for Bush's recess appointments, none of them would be serving right now. Which Senate Democrat raised the strongest objection to the party's efforts? Not Daschle. Not Schumer. Nope. It was Zell.

The Democratic Party isn't the problem. Zell is the problem. Maybe he'd be happier with the Republican Party. If he hurries, he can become a Republican just in time to stand by Dubya on election night and hear the words, "I have just called Senator Kerry to congratulate him on his victory tonight."

[sadiesworld]

7. We've always been united.

Don't forget we control the media, the universities, etc.

[rock]

8. bushsucks* is a uniter

in case you didn't notice.

[Jacobin]

9. They don't EVEN know how united!!

I'm even writing Kerry checks, something I took a blood oath never to do after his IWR vote.

I would drag myself across a twenty foot razor blade and jump into a pool of salt water to get rid of Smirk.

[seabeyond]

12. dont know about the razor blade thing

oooooosh......i am so wussy

[oasis]

11. Backstabber, Zig Zag Zell Miller says Dems are NOT united. The media

will be trotting that hayseed out to represent Democrats who oppose the direction in which the party is going.

[Bill Todd]

13. Oh, we're more eclectic than that

I won't be voting for Kerry unless he and the party embrace (credibly) a hell of a lot more of Howard's positions than they are today. But ol' Zell sure as hell doesn't represent me.

- bill

[oasis]

14. Welcome to DU Bill.

:hi:

[Bill Todd]

20. Thanks

When I dropped by, there seemed to be so many 'anybody but Bush'-flavored posts that I wasn't sure what kind of reception someone with somewhat differing ideas might have - especially after having some less-than-positive experiences at the DNC blog. But if you can't be controversial at a place called the Democratic Underground, where can you be?

- bill

[demigoddess]

15. i'm a deaniac who says give kerry a break

He definitely is better than bush and maybe dean can follow him into the white house in future years. A couple of years of demo presidency could convince a lot of people that howard dean's ideas may not be the end of the world.

[IronLionZion]

16. I'm with you

Howard Dean will send a bunch of delegates to Boston and nobody can ignore his grass roots following. Kerry will adopt some of Dean's ideas into his platform. Out of Bush and Kerry, this is a no-brainer. I'm for Kerry 110%

[myccrider]

22. Me, too!

re: "Out of Bush and Kerry, this is a no-brainer. I'm for Kerry 110%" Dean was my first choice (although I wouldn't quite call myself a 'Deaniac':crazy:)

There are several policy issues I have concerns/disagree with JFK about, but he's WAAAAYYYY ahead of Bush.

I contributed to Dean, I've already contributed once to Kerry & will continue to do so until the election.

I'm also doing what I can to undermine Bush (I live in a VERY Republican area) by talking up the idea, to the Repubs I know, to either refuse to vote for Bush or to write in another candidate to show their disapproval :evilgrin: Most of my Pub friends are of the old-school conservative variety and are very disturbed by the deficit, religious overtones, & foreign policy disasters of the Bush administration.

Now if I could only talk them into ousting our R congress critter! (That's Ed Royce, who's sort of a nonentity, AFAICT, and votes straight party line.)

[Bill Todd]

19. It's not yet even close to time for Dean die-hards to give Kerry a break

That's something to do only if we first do our damndest to get him to shape up but fail to achieve that goal. And even then, some of us won't: we'll make it as clear as we can to the party that it lost our support because it failed to represent people whose votes it cannot take for granted, no matter how odious the alternative.

Another 4 years of Dubya would be scary, but not as scary as letting the DLC types further solidify their grip on the party: if we don't break it now, God only knows when another chance may come up. And since the party has now learned that it can stand up to Bush without being turned to stone by his neocon glare, another 4 years would not have to be as disasterous as the first 4 have been.

We don't expect everyone to be willing to go that far. But it is surprising that so many former Deaniacs are now acting like deer caught in the headlights, paralyzed by their fear of Bush into supporting Kerry nowrather than only after trying to hold his, and the party's, feet to the fire to achieve what we supported Howard to achieve: real change. That's what Howard stood for 13 months ago in his landmark speech to the DNC, when all his "What I want to know..." points concerned the changes required in the Democratic party before it could go about rescuing America, and when he explicitly placed such change ahead of winning elections in priority.

Some of us still believe in that goal. And paid special attention to the last, and especially emphatic, repetition in his bowing-out speech of the line "The biggest lie that people like me tell people like you is, 'Vote for me and I'll solve all your problems'" - a lie that he may have foreseen he would later have to give voice to himself, in order to fulfill his commitment to party unity.

So while we still love Howard, we won't follow him were he's asking us to now - not before getting at least some significant portion of what we, and he, stood for from Kerry and the party. And we hope that other supporters will help us in this quest, even if they're not willing to take it to the extreme of withholding their vote if it's not successful: if we stand together, there are enough of us to throw the fear of God into the party in an election as close as this one is predicted to be, and that's exactly what we ought to do.

- bill

[Old and In the Way]

26. Welcome aboard!

Is FR still shut down?

"Another 4 years of Dubya would be scary, but not as scary as letting the DLC types further solidify their grip on the party"

[Bill Todd]

28. Thanks for the greeting

As for FR being shut down (is that a conservative site? I've heard references to 'free republic' and 'freepers' on occasion), I wouldn't know: I came to Dean out of disgust that the Democratic party was so completely unwilling to stand up against the Bush agenda, and unfortunately still have that problem with it - the little adjustment it has made appears to be mostly cosmetic.

If I were a fan of Nader I might go over there. But I'd rather think that there's still hope for real change in the Democratic party than to think that the only hope is something completely new: there are just too many right-thinking (though not always very astute) Democrats to give up on them yet.

- bill

[Old and In the Way]

29. Instead of trying to move the mountain to you, why not you

move to the mountain? The Democratic Party, like any party, is one vast collective associations of compromise. It's not a Burger King where each person gets to define it in his particular way.

And,no, FR is not a conservative site. It's an echo chamber of people who apparently dislike America very intensely.

[Bill Todd]

32. Sorry - I'm about compromised out for this year

... and as far as I can tell, the same schmucks who were in charge of the party a year ago, when I was beating on it, and on them individually, to show at least some sign of integrity and backbone, are still in charge today. Meanwhile, people like Byrd and Conyers who actually had the nerve to stand up and be counted at a time when it could have made a difference are relegated to the sidelines and people like Howard are tolerated only as long as they toe the line. And Kerry has become the nominal party leader - a man who explicitly promised in his floor speech supporting the Iraq War Resolution that he would be "the first to stand up" against Bush should Bush wander off the path which he had supposedly committed to follow, and then cowered in his spider hole with the rest of the leadership when that time arrived unmistakably in early March of last year.

Having compromised to my own limit, I'm waiting for the party to show some compromise back. And I'm clearly not alone, though others have every right to choose to be more flexible and at least some of them don't merit being called sheep (though others do). So we'll continue to exercise our right to try to change the party, and the party can change or not according to the value that it places on our votes and other support.

- bill

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. As long as you don't vote for Junior, whatever else you do is fine.

[Bill Todd]

25. Even MY commitment to changing the party has SOME limits

And voting for Dubya transcends them: I've voted Democratic in every presidential election since I first became eligible to in 1968, and it will be hard enough switching away to third-party or write-in if I feel that I have to.

I am seriously puzzled, however, by why any Kerry supporter should have to care whom I and people like me might vote for. Is Bush going to have to be caught in a compromising position with a pre-pubescent boy before the rest of the country has had enough of him? Recent polls seem to suggest that the answer is 'yes', and that may be more troubling even than what Bush&Co. have wrought.

- bill

[AgadorSparticus]

24. yea, but everyone knows zellmiller is a republican.

he has kept his democratic status to make the party look disjointed. he and lieberman disgust me to no end. But they are in for a rude awakening. bush has done something no dem has ever been able to do: unite the party.

[proud patriot]

21. Wooooooo Hoooooooo !

I was green before DU , and I'm united with you ....

:bounce: :hi: :bounce: :hi: :bounce:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

27. weymouth and byrne shocked?

i thought they were more astute on matters of liberal politics

[gate of the sun]

31. they should be shocked

we are not united.

[kodi]

33. they are not shocked. they are scared, because their narrative is broken

and they do not have an operational framework that presents the status quo in the best light.

in other words, the democrats took away their storyline and now the media will have to invent something else to rationalize their lies.