When Bush's DRAFT starts on April 1, 2005, Canada is out (must read)!

[Dems Will Win]

As most of you already know, Bush is spending $28 million to get the military DRAFT ready for 2005. This document outlines the allocated funds: http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html.

According to this official SSS document, by March 31, 2005, the DRAFT could only be 75 days away from that point and would include a MEDICAL DRAFT of all doctors and nurses, men and women up to age 45!

If re-elected, Bush would go to Congress on April 1, 2005, and say "we're not going to cut and run from Iraq and there are no more deployable troops. You must reinstate the DRAFT" and Delay and Frist would give it to him (simple trigger resolution, no legislation required). The first lottery would then be June 15, 2005 of 20 year-olds. Those who apply for CO status would be processed 21 days after that.

Be aware THAT CANADA WILL NOT BE AN OPTION AS DURING VIETNAM. Bush will seal the border under a new agreement signed in 2001: The Smart Border Declaration.

Here are some of the details:

Specifics of Secure and Smart Border Action Plan with Canada

ACTION PLAN FOR CREATING A SECURE AND SMART BORDER
THE SECURE FLOW OF PEOPLE

1) Biometric identifiers
Jointly develop on an urgent basis common biometric identifiers in documentation such as permanent resident cards, NEXUS, and other travel documents to ensure greater security.

2) Permanent Resident Cards
Develop and deploy a secure card for permanent residents which includes a biometric identifier.

3) Single Alternative Inspection System
Resume NEXUS pilot project, with appropriate security measures, for two-way movement of pre-approved travelers at Sarnia-Port Huron, complete pilot project evaluation and expand a single program to other areas along the land border. Discuss expansion to air travel.

4) Refugee/Asylum Processing
Review refugee/asylum practices and procedures to ensure that applicants are thoroughly screened for security risks and take necessary steps to share information on refugee and asylum claimants.

5) Handling of Refugee/Asylum Claims
Negotiate a safe third-country agreement to enhance the handling of refugee claims.

6) Visa Policy Coordination
Initiate joint review of respective visa waiver lists and share look-out lists at visa issuing offices.

7) Air Preclearance
Finalize plans/authority necessary to implement the Preclearance Agreement signed in January 2001. Resume intransit preclearance at Vancouver and expand to other airports per Annex I of the Agreement.

8) Advance Passenger Information / Passenger Name Record
Share Advance Passenger Information and agreed-to Passenger Name Records on flights between Canada and the United States, including in-transit flights. Explore means to identify risks posed by passengers on international flights arriving in each other's territory.

9) Joint Passenger Analysis Units
Establish joint units at key international airports in Canada and the United States.

10) Ferry Terminals
Review customs and immigration presence and practices at international ferry terminals.

11) Compatible Immigration Databases
Develop jointly an automated database, such as Canada's Support System for Intelligence, as a platform for information exchange, and enhance sharing of intelligence and trend analysis.

12) Immigration Officers Overseas
Increase number of Canadian and US immigration officers at airports overseas and enhance joint training of airline personnel.

13) International Cooperation
Undertake technical assistance to source and transit countries.

THE SECURE FLOW OF GOODS



16) Joint facilities
Establish criteria, under current legislation and regulations, for the creation of small, remote joint border facilities. Examine the legal and operational issues associated with the establishment of international zones and joint facilities, including armed protection or the arming of law enforcement officers in such zones and facilities.



SECURE INFRASTRUCTURE

19) Infrastructure improvements
Work to secure resources for joint and coordinated physical and technological improvements to key border points and trade corridors aimed at overcoming traffic management and growth challenges, including dedicated lanes and border modeling exercises.

20) Intelligent Transportation Systems
Deploy interoperable technologies in support of other initiatives to facilitate the secure movement of goods and people, such as transponder applications and electronic container seals.



COORDINATION AND INFORMATION SHARING IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF THESE OBJECTIVES

23) Integrated Border and Marine Enforcement Teams
Expand IBET/IMET to other areas of the border and enhance communication and coordination.

24) Joint Enforcement Coordination
Works toward ensuring comprehensive and permanent coordination of law enforcement, anti-terrorism efforts and information sharing, such as by strengthening the Cross-Border Crime Forum and reinvigorating Project Northstar.


26) Fingerprints
Implement the Memorandum of Understanding to supply equipment and training that will enable the RCMP to access FBI fingerprint data directly via real?time electronic link.

27) Removal of deportees
Address legal and operational challenges to joint removals, and coordinate initiatives to encourage uncooperative countries to accept their nationals.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020107.html

You will not get through and if you do they will return you this time! Also don't forget that student deferments have been eliminated in the new DRAFT!

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05!

[Virginian]

1. He can keep people from leaving but not jobs.

He has all these systems in place to keep people from escaping to Canada to avoid the draft, but he has no way to control the jobs that are leaving for India, etc.?

Because he doesn't want to control the loss of jobs.
If the jobs go to other countries, then people who need jobs will enlist in the armed services.

I guess the new jobless recovery hasn't increased the number of enlistments as much as he had expected so now he is working on a draft.

[Dems Will Win]

3. The BFEE plan is to actually collapse the economy of the U.S.

Then, like the Rockefellers in the Thirties, they can take the stolen trillions in gold bullion they have in Switzerland and buy up US plant and assets at a few cents on the dollar.

The DRAFT will meanwhile allow to conscript several MILLION people and allow PNAC to conquer the world's oil supply (with the help of 50 to 60 Airborne Lasers, 2 Mw Lasers that actually do shoot 180 miles and can burn a basketball-sized hole in a missile or anything else--except maybe a mirror or highly reflective surface).

Bush 2004 = Hitler 1936

[kclown]

2. The saddest part of this

is that it's just as likely even if Kerry is president.

[Dems Will Win]

4. Utter BS!

Kerry has explained several times exactly how he would avoid having to reinstate the draft and preserve the Volunteer Army.

Much more pay, foreign troops in Iraq, fight terrorists with real law enforcement and actual cuting off their funding. Kerry is absolutely opposed to the DRAFT and has said so many times. Also if Kerry is elected, his election alone would raise the re-enlistment rate and the recruitment rate as soldiers and REservists would know the PNAC Plan has been canceled.

Bush will DRAFT millions, however.

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05
KERRY '04 = A STRONG VOLUNTEER ARMY

[undergroundpanther]

6. what if they gave a war...

and nobody fought it.
What if every draftee sent anywhere in thiss quagmire just refused to push the button or pull the trigger?
The bush admin might be able to force you to go to war but they cannot make you obey.

[DK666]

5. Oh Please......

Wait let me get my helmet.....

:tinfoilhat:

Ok Now Do Tell ! Im ready.

[Champion Jack]

7. You are wrong clown

[oasis]

8. ABBC. Anything But Boot Camp.

[BiggJawn]

12. Aren't you late to a Nader meet-up someplace?

The "saddest part" of this is how you've bought that bullshit of Ralph's about there being no diference between the DNC and RNC. Can you tell me in ALL honesty that we'd be in this mess if Bush had not stolen the election?

Because if you can, then I want some of those pills you're eating.

[karabekian]

9. you mean the democrats draft?

considering they sponsored the bill....:shrug:

[bluestateguy]

10. Fair point...

But their bill, which I opposed, was not a serious piece of legislation. Their purpose was to make a point and to up the opposition to the war in Iraq. A bad idea, but a bad a idea with the best of intentions.

When the Bush crowd gets 4 more years they will implement a draft for real. Unlike the Democratic bill they will exempt women (at the request of the religious right) and they will write all kinds of loopholes allowing the sons of privilege to escape service.

[karabekian]

14. well you don't see any republicans draftin bills do you?

it would have to be a congressional act wouldn't it? If so it sure seems like our own party is the only one asking for it.:spank: They will never get the draft through congress with out dems signing on to it. So once again it seems like the two main parties are a lot alike...

[oasis]

16. Bush and Republicans follow the script of PNAC. Armies of occupation

needed for Syria, Iran and saudi Arabia.

www.newamericancentury.org

[JohnOneillsMemory]

11. TRUE. Hitler is Back and Now He's Winning. MUST READ LINKS!!

We are living in the closing minutes of a culture war that the American Taliban is winning. 'Might Makes Right' is WINNING over 'The Rule of Law.'I've decided to post this synopsis in all my thread responses:

Georgie's brain is much worse than you think and he's being used for terrible purposes. Here's a British clinical psychologist's researched analysis of the boy king. He interviewed Georgie's family, friends and such and determined that he was abused as a child and developed an 'authoritarian personality,' the root of fascism! Read it and weep for him and us.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html
(So George, how do you feel about your mom and dad?)-CLICK

And this personality is being exploited to further the creation of a Hitlerian Theocracy called ‘Dominionism’, which has been going on in this country for the last thirty years. Read it and wonder what the hell we're in for next now that Eugenics is domestic policy and Imperialism is foreign policy.
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml
(God Bless America, The Constitution is Dead)-CLICK

If you'd like to read the full speech of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia back in the dark ages of January 2002 when he said that 'democracy interferes with the Divine Right of Kings and he's doing something about it,' read this and wonder what century we're living in and just what that Constitution was for, anyway.
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/scalia.htm
(God's Justice and Ours)-CLICK

How can they get away with it when everyone seems to be pissed off at Georgie and we're supposed to be able to vote the bastard out of our White House? By fixing the electronic voting machines for 'the House.' Read this and decide which country to escape to this fall when Georgie is reinstalled to finish the job he was sent to do-eliminate democracy totally, create a police state, and conquer the world.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
(Diebold, Electonic Voting, and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)-CLICK

LATE BREAKING NEWS-FEB. 26 2004
Right now the Dominionists are introducing legislation to replace 'The People' as the authority in our democracy’s Constitution with ‘God’ in a bill called ‘The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004,’ exactly the opposite of what it really is. The legalities of the Christian Theocracy are being used to destroy our laws as if by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

This is not a test! It is absolutely real and happening right now while the media are busy covering gay marriage and Mel Gibson’s bloody crucifixion porn film, ‘The Passion of the Christ.’

“…on February 11 , 2004 Dominionist leaders in congress made their move; they introduced a bill in both houses called The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004. Among the sponsors of the bill are Rep. Robert Aderholt (Alabama), Rep. Michael Pence (Indiana), Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, Sen. Zell Miller (Georgia), Sen. Sam Brownback (Kansas), and Sen. Lindsey Graham (South Carolina).

The House version is H.R. 3799 and the Senate version is S. 2082. The bill limits the U.S. Supreme Court and federal courts to hear cases involving “expressions of religious faith by elected or appointed officials.”

Although the claim by its sponsors appears to be that the intention is to prevent the courts from hearing cases involving the Ten Commandments or a Nativity Scene in a public setting from being reviewed, the law is drawn broadly and expressly includes the acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law by an official in his capacity of executing his office.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0402/S00172.htm
(The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004)-CLICK

[BiggJawn]

13. Mike Pence-A RW fundie whack-o

And crazier than a shithouse rat, too. He'd buy a cloth mill in the Carolinas then introduce legislation mandating Burkhas...

[Hippo_Tron]

15. In all likelihood it will fail in the Senate...

But I wouldn't take any chances.

[drdigi420]

17. this is the part that scares me the most

• ENHANCE THE SYSTEM WHICH GUARANTEES THAT EACH
CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR IS PROPERLY CLASSIFIED,
PLACED, AND MONITORED

[iverglas]

18. I don't think you're interpreting this correctly

Pretty much all of what you've quoted refers to individuals entering either country, and travelling between the two countries, who are not citizens/residents of Canada or the US.

For instance, pre-clearing of passengers at airports is done by the authorities of the country to which they are travelling, not the country they are leaving. And Canada has no reason at all to bar US citizens/residents of draft age from entering Canada. The provisions you quote have to do with identifying people seeking to travel from the US to Canada, or vice versa, who are security threats to the country they are seeking to enter. Draft dodgers are not a threat to Canada's security.

Any controls on USAmerican citizens/residents leaving the US would be an entirely domestic US matter, and has nothing at all to do with Canada. It doesn't fall under any international agreement; the US would have to establish its own exit controls, just like any other un-free country.

Claims to asylum in Canada would be determined under Canadian law. The provisions for "safe third country", refugee information-sharing, and so on, refer to people who are not citizens/residents of either country. ("Safe third country" refers to the idea that if, say, a Pakistani citizen arrives in the US and travels to Canada and makes a refugee claim in Canada, s/he could be returned by Canada to the US to make that claim, because the US is a "safe" third country -- other than Canada and the person's country of citizenship -- for refugee claimants. Canada receives many times more refugee claimants who arrive via the US than vice versa, and the US knows that Canada isn't happy about this. For a long time, Canada refused to recognize the US as a "safe third country" for refugee claimants, because of the US's abysmal track record on recognizing and protecting genuine refugees.)

US citizens/residents seeking to enter Canada could not be regarded as presenting security concerns to either country simply because they are eligible to be subject to a military draft in the US and may be trying to avoid it. Canada would have no automatic reason to share information about such people with the US, any more than about any other US citizen/resident seeking to enter Canada at an airport in the US or at a border crossing.

So I'm not seeing how what you've cited has any bearing on draftees trying to enter Canada.

As far as I can tell, they'll be subject to the same rules as always. If they satisfy Immigration that they are genuine visitors and not would-be residents, they'll be admitted as visitors. If they qualify as permanent residents, they'll be admitted as permanent residents. If they make refugee claims based on their opposition to being compelled to fight a US war, their claims will be processed in the normal way. They may not be likely to succeed, but that has nothing much to do with any Canada-US agreement, other than with any reticence Canada might have about annoying the US and how that might affect refugee claim decision-makers' ability or desire to do their job impartially.

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

19. Sneak into sympathetic country's embassy

Like... the Cuban embassy in Canada, for instance. I bet Fidel is curling his moustache with wicked glee as we speak. :evilgrin:

[Atman]

20. Take my family, please

My wife, 41, is an APRN (advanced practice nurse).

My firstborn son will be 20 in 2005.

My second born son is 16 now, so he'll get his.






I loathe Bush more with each passing day.