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ClarionCall Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:50 PM
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Separation of Church & State: Needed Now More Than Ever
Behind the scenes Pat Robertson's so-called Christian Coalition is striving very hard to get people to believe that the Founding Fathers of this nation held beliefs similar to his.

Robertson has said there is "clear evidence that the founding fathers definitely wanted America to be the land of Jesus." He is pushing that misleading idea very hard. In fact, Robertson has claimed: "There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It's a lie of the Left, and we're not going to take it anymore."

So, let’s examine some facts, quoted from a book I read.

"Abraham Lincoln once said: 'The principles of Jefferson are the axioms (fundamental principles) of a free society.' Therefore, we should examine what those principles really are. We should understand that Jefferson wrote: 'Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.' He also wrote: 'Religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions.' Therefore, Jefferson continued, 'I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and State.'"

"James Madison agreed, and he wrote: 'Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?' Madison also wrote: 'The number, the industry, and the morality of the , and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of church and state.'"

"Now granted, it is quite true that many real Christian values and principles played a big part in the thinking and the intent of the founding fathers of America. However, their political views were opposite to the views of the conservative fundamentalist Christian Right . In fact, most of them were more attuned to the thinking of Unitarians, the vast majority of whom are very liberal. Moreover, most of the founding fathers were Freemasons. George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Paul Revere and others were Freemasons, and in fact, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were on the original committee in 1776 that created the Great Seal of the United States (seen on the one dollar bill), which is masonic in character. Their thinking was far more advanced than the literalist, fundamentalist beliefs of the Christian Right then, and of the Christian Right today. Certainly the founding fathers did indeed draw their inspiration from holy Scriptures, but they drew it also from the knowledge of Pythagoras, Plato, the Alexandrian School, and the Qabalists, Rosicrucians and Freemasons. The Christian Right hated that then, and they hate it today. They especially hate Qabalists, Rosicrucians and Freemasons today, and they would erroneously insist that the founding fathers held beliefs consistent with theirs rather than Freemasons."

Those quotes are taken from the first and third volumes of a book series entitled Real Prophecy Unveiled. It thoroughly exposes the hypocrisy of the so-called "Christian" Right.
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fishguy Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:55 PM
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1. Maybe giving $8 million to a brutal dictator is a Christian value
Like Pat Robertson gave to Charles Taylor of Liberia.
I may be mistaken, but I do not believe investing $8 million with a brutal dictator is a Christian value.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:56 PM
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2. So what does he think of Maryland?
Edited on Mon Jan-19-04 08:17 PM by Cleita
Settled by Catholics and dedicated to Mary, Christ's mother.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 08:24 PM
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3. What does he think about your anus
as i hear his government wants to probe it....

just those christian fundies cleaning the pipe work for posteriority... :)
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 09:57 PM
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4. www.au.org
Americans United for Separation of Church and State

http://www.au.org
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