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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:12 AM
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Oath Keepers and the Age of Treason
THE .50 CALIBER Bushmaster bolt action rifle is a serious weapon. The model that Pvt. 1st Class Lee Pray is saving up for has a 2,500-yard range and comes with a Mark IV scope and an easy-load magazine. When the 25-year-old drove me to a mall in Watertown, New York, near the Fort Drum Army base, he brought me to see it in its glass case—he visits it periodically, like a kid coveting something at the toy store. It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag, but he considers the Bushmaster essential in his preparations to take on the US government when it declares martial law.

His belief that that day is imminent has led Pray to a group called Oath Keepers <1>, one of the fastest-growing "patriot" organizations on the right. Founded last April by Yale-educated lawyer and ex-Ron Paul aide Stewart Rhodes, the group has established itself as a hub in the sprawling anti-Obama movement that includes Tea Partiers, Birthers, and 912ers. Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, and Pat Buchanan have all sung its praises, and in December, a grassroots summit <2> it helped organize drew such prominent guests as representatives Phil Gingrey <3> and Paul Broun <4>, both Georgia Republicans.

There are scores of patriot groups, but what makes Oath Keepers unique is that its core membership consists of men and women in uniform, including soldiers, police, and veterans. At regular ceremonies in every state, members reaffirm their official oaths of service, pledging to protect the Constitution—but then they go a step further, vowing to disobey "unconstitutional" orders from what they view as an increasingly tyrannical government.

Pray (who asked me to use his middle name rather than his first) and five fellow soldiers based at Fort Drum take this directive very seriously. In the belief that the government is already turning on its citizens, they are recruiting military buddies, stashing weapons, running drills, and outlining a plan of action. For years, they say, police and military have trained side by side in local anti-terrorism exercises around the nation. In September 2008, the Army began training <5> the 3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade Combat Team to provide humanitarian aid following a domestic disaster or terror attack—and to help with crowd control and civil unrest if need be. (The ACLU has expressed concern about this deployment.) And some of Pray's comrades were guinea pigs for military-grade sonic weapons, only to see them used by Pittsburgh police against protesters last fall.

Most of the men's gripes revolve around policies that began under President Bush but didn't scare them so much at the time. "Too many conservatives relied on Bush's character and didn't pay attention," founder Rhodes told me. "Only now, with Obama, do they worry and see what has been done. I trusted Bush to only go after the terrorists. But what do you think can happen down the road when they say, 'I think you are a threat to the nation?'"

In Pray's estimate, it might not be long (months, perhaps a year) before President Obama finds some pretext—a pandemic, a natural disaster, a terror attack—to impose martial law, ban interstate travel, and begin detaining citizens en masse. One of his fellow Oath Keepers, a former infantryman, advised me to prepare a "bug out" bag with 39 items including gas masks, ammo, and water purification tablets, so that I'd be ready to go "when the shit hits the fan."

When it does, Pray and his buddies plan to go AWOL and make their way to their "fortified bunker"—the home of one comrade's parents in rural Idaho—where they've stocked survival gear, generators, food, and weapons. If it becomes necessary, they say, they will turn those guns against their fellow soldiers.

More: http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers?page=1
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:24 AM
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1. The fortified bunker
is mommies house? For fucks sake, these assholes are willing to take their parents down with them. If only they had a clue how difficult it would be to fight a war against the Government.

Nice gun Pray, take a look at the fucking M1 Abrams coming up daddies driveway and tell me what you plan to do next. Or the hellfire coming at your sisters room from the Predator drone you can't even see.

These moronic assholes need a serious ass kicking before their playtime actually hurts someone.
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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:25 AM
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2. Wow, just wow
In theoretical terms, I understood this, but to see this level of detail is incredible. It amounts to a religious fervor, which can be used to justify anything.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:32 AM
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3. scary. and "I trusted Bush to only go after the terrorists...
...but this new guy is black"

Why can I not help but think that's a big part of the fear?
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:07 AM
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9. Bingo!
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:33 AM
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4. Bush's 'CHARACTER'?????@??@
Which 'character' would that be? The lying? The stupidity? The frat boy antics? The drunk spells?
Good god. That one statement alone was enough to qualify this dipshit for the moron of the year award.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:39 AM
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5. It's pitiful that these morons can't see the futility in their plans.
This kid's mother's house is his "fortified bunker?" Did he ask his mom what she thinks of that idea?

As we saw with the raid on the Hutaree "Militia," no resistance was made and no shots were fired. These overgrown schoolboys talk a good fight, but when superior forces show up, they hang the white flag out of the window and go peacefully. Now, faced with serious federal charges, they all want a public defender -- a government lawyer -- to defend them against these charges.

At best, these "militias" function at about the patrol level. Maybe a dozen of these beer-swilling non-soldiers could be gathered together for an "operation." Their training is a joke. Their armaments are a joke, when compared to the arms that can be assembled by any small town police department.

One of the things I saw about this Hutaree organization showed one of their members with his "armored vehicle," a 1970s IHC Scout II, for pete's sake. Yes, that will do quite nicely as an "armored vehicle," I'm sure, as long as nobody opposing this man has more than a pellet rifle.

That the militia types are ugly-thinking sorts is not in question. They are, indeed. Like a toothless old dog, though, they pose a tiny threat, and would be easily removed from any actual conflict. They know that, so there will be no such conflict.

Instead, they will content themselves with their endless "training," lessons in making pipe bombs using the black powder they can buy at any sporting goods store, and posting ominious-looking videos on Youtube.

If they start getting nasty, the police from several agencies will show up with their real armored vehicles, flash-bang grenades, and tear gas and put them under arrest. That's what happened with the fearsome "Hutaree militia." Now, they're in jail, facing charges and crying for gubmint lawyers to defend them.

What a joke!
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:51 AM
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7. Unfortunately
Tim McVey took almost 200 people's lives. That's the scary part to me, some of these guys want to make a statement and if history is any example, won't really care that the people they slaughter are completely innocent. Hopefully this group is well infiltrated, which shouldn't be hard, all you would have to be to fit in is white and male.

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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:46 AM
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6. Frightening
I am not surprised that an "ex" aid to Ron Paul is leading this. Crazy building on crazy, and they are armed and dangerous. In reading some of the comments after the article I saw someone more than willing to move all us dangerous liberals to "camps" for the crime of disagreeing with an extremist right agenda. He probably told the truth on what most of these MILITIA guys are about. God and Country means their God and their idea of country or you will be imprisoned or dead.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:55 AM
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8. I sure hope the Army knows about these idjits, they need cages.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:34 AM
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10. A decade ago, PFC Pray would never have been accepted into the army. Bush's wars caused the
military to take on all comers.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:28 AM
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11. Funny thing is - looking at pics of gun toters at the Rand Paul rally that were posted yesterday -
About half of them were very overweight (and oldish) and didn't look as if they would be able to make it to the second floor without stopping to rest - let alone participate in training maneuvers in an Idaho woods or wherever. I assume that at least some of these guys were the "Oath Keepers" but no way are most of them currently in the military. Furthermore it is hard to see how they could manage to stay in the military given the crap they are supposedly posting on Facebook, which some of these nuts apparently think is safer than email.
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