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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:01 AM
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What Does Treason Have to do with Impeachment?
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What Does Treason Have to do with Impeachment?
Impeachment
by Bill Hare | June 19, 2008

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What would Washington and Jefferson say if they learned about secretly removing a citizen of a foreign nation to a nation bereft of constitutional safeguards and interrogating ruthlessly without any specified time frame?

What about snooping through libraries to determine what people have been reading without any warrant or explanation why such information is being gathered?

How about refusing to allow terrorist suspects right to counsel and indefinitely torturing them, including waterboarding?

What about scrapping the nation’s search and seizure laws, protective safeguards under the Bill of Rights, and replacing them with an all-powerful executive that breaks into homes and removes evidence, then is also empowered to arrest, and then hold indefinitely while denying right to counsel or trial by jury?

How about invading a foreign nation on a baseless, easily disprovable lie that America was threatened by weapons of mass destruction, refusing to allow a UN team investigating that very charge the opportunity to finish its report before subjecting that same nation to a bombardment that made Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like pre-game warm-up drills?

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Would Washington and Jefferson have found that, contrary to detractors, that Kucinich was addressing the “real issues” of America by introducing articles of impeachment against Bush and Cheney?

Could it also be that they, given the foregoing, would consider such actions treasonous?

Should we also conclude based on the record that acts of treason have been committed in a nation where the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law have been replaced by neoconservative corporate dictatorship and unceasing, unchecked power residing in a lawless federal executive?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:37 AM
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1. All Of Those are Crimes, But None are Actually Treason
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:07 AM
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2. Reminds me of the 9/11 cover up
and range of speculations which reach as far as treason. I think it very well may cross the border into treason- whatever the mindset or intention or rationalization of the neocons. Economic interests, independence and security of the US transferred to foreign nations and multi-nationals often with the explicit methodology of dismantling America by any definition. Spreading of WMD's among unstable or future dangerous states and then getting militarily and imperially involved in such a way as to become the the main target or at least commit recognized war crimes against all those other nations. The destruction of democratic elections, a free press, economic security, welfare of the nation, its public armed forces(abused in the process for the sake of personal profiteering through foreign interests).

Generally it is blind treason up and down the line, so general and pervasive that indeed it cannot match the single sell-out transaction of one person on behalf of one hostile power(Manchurian Candidate). It is a cartel of treason to all humans, all races, all nations- a world class crime above all law but in fact a small band of rascals playing games with a cowed and cowardly fat machinery called inaccurately free market capitalism, an oligarchy masked as civil structure ever ready to enrich itself even at the expense of the thinning fraud.

We have played at this game for years, balancing one crime or level or type of crime off against the other to justify inaction, bolster mocked and mocking myths, keep the fake world order spinning along because of fear(too often a narrow, stupid or personal fear) of even stopping. Faced with the sure death future calamity and current real death, debt and destruction the spun billions of citizens are slowing despite the excited efforts of the noxious elites of the world to push the body wheels onward.

Those who have betrayed the most in a world leadership that has failed at most everything sensible are sometime hard to extricate from the weed patch, but treason it is, wide speeding up close and personal- matched only by an even more boundless hypocrisy and and even deeper lack of compassion.

But if these goons are to be awarded the benefit of technicalities shielded by cover-ups guarded by official failure, no let the Congress breathe its collective sigh of relief and relax their hands within the silken granny knots. The greatest relief is afforded those who give up and die, the greatest silence, the emptiest history books by mass extinction, because even high treason is a low step guaranteed by nature for the hypocrisy made of our law and the utter failure of reason. There may never be a trial but there will be judgement.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:12 AM
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3. I Think They Should be Sent to the Hague for War Crimes Trials
They might not have commited treason, they have certainly commited war crimes.
Send them to the Hague!









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