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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:50 PM
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The Death of the Democratic and Republican Parties

NEITHER party will survive the now totally successful Bush/fascist coup d'etat.

The Democratic base is now predominantly liberal/progressive, but the "Democratic Party" is a DLC beltway nightmare. People like the DLC Hillary Clinton Doll are quite literally HATED by most of what used to be called Democrats. At great expense, effort, and sacrifice, progressives elected a 2006 Democratic Congress, but cowards and traitors like Nancy Peloci and Harry Reid converted this passionately hard won advantage into toilets down which they eagerly flush the slightest trace of liberal values and policies.

The "lunatic fringe" of the Republican Party has castrated the loyal opposition to what were formerly mainstream Democrats. The creative polarity between these two parties has ceased to exist. "Radicals" (that dirty word Republicans used to call Democrats) have eaten the Republican Party alive, with pathological religious fanatics babbling about Armageddon (the Baptist Big Bang) and vampire Texas energy companies raping Mother Nature to the verge of extinction. Said differently, it has been wisely pointed out that we rescued Europe from fascism twice, but now the fascists are HERE and no one is going to rescue us.

Other variables must include the neocon cabal which has direct associations with similarly lunatic fringe right wing Israelis. Hence, via this cabal, our national policy has been reduced to the tail wagged by the dog of another country. Indeed, this cabal is now virtually a 3rd Party in American Politics. The irony that a successful American 3rd Party is not based in America is infinite. At the very least, it utterly dominates what used to be the Republican Party, contributing to the inevitable death of the "American" Republican Party.

What happened to the Democratic Party is still something of a mystery. It has been obvious for years that the Democratic "Leadership" Council is a lapdog of America's Dictatorship of the Rich, but even with their limitless funding, the TOTAL disconnect between the DLC and the great majority of passionate progressives is a wonder to behold. And here again, the dog is wagging the tail, since DLC Democrats (a contradiction in terms) have tons of money, but relatively few members. A nearly exact comparison between the DLC and most Americans is that of the fascist collaborators in France during WW2.

It will take the highest quality poet combined with the highest quality historian to do justice to the boggling fact that the Neocon "Third Party" is all of a piece with the American 4th Reich -- a direct, and perhaps inevitable, extension of Germany's WW2 3rd Reich. Perhaps we should call our would be fascist masters the Neocon Reich.

It's interesting to speculate that since the neocon cabal has killed the Republican Party and the DLC has killed the Democratic Party, and since "establishment politics" is the modus operandi by which America's elites (1% or less) manipulate all the rest of us, one wonders what will happen now that establishment politics will no longer be a millstone around our necks.
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W. Christopher Epler (Bill) <http://theliberationofrealism.blogspot.com/>
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:57 PM
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1. will happen now that establishment politics will no longer be a millstone around our necks? We will
either take our party and government back or the fascist thugs will kill everyone and die chocking as they eat our political bodies.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:13 PM
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2. Read hastily, but fascists don't really need parties --
Another great depression -- another Bushco orchestrated 9/11 -- and martial law.

But, looking for reality . . . where are leaders Pelosi and Reid on . . .

Single payer health care?

What's happening with the dollar?

Capitalism moving the wealth and resources of the nation from the many into the hands of the few?

Global Warming -- ???


Yeah, I hear them shouting about these important issues every day . . .. don't I????


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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:35 PM
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8. What part of "take our party and government back" don't you get?
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:32 PM
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3. I don't know if I buy this argument, yet.
I know we have so far been unsuccessful in moving the Democratic party our way, but I am waiting for post 2008.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:45 PM
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5. so am I
I have to admit it, I'm still keeping that faith too. But the the meantime, we have to keep reminding DLC types that they are NOT speaking for us.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:06 AM
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14. I mourn because
I remember similar statements about after Kerry becomes president.

Didn't buy it then and don't buy it now.

It's like waiting for Santa Claus.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:43 PM
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4. The problem: too many "poets" and "historians."
We need insane people. We need people like Michael Moore, Stephen Colbert, Bartcop and that lunatic guy who does the "F***in News" on the Internet. We need people who rant, scream, demonstrate, organize mobs and take to the streets. We need people to motivate the office drones and the factory workers being thrown out of work, the desparing, suicidal goth girls and the coked-up teenage boys, to get them to do something.

The last thing we need are freakin' poets and folksingers, sitting around staring at the moon and trying to find the proper rhyming word for "quiddich," and historians, who sit on the sidelines and watch humanity destroy itself, acting like drama critics and ignoring the blood splashing their shoes.

We need people who can get mad. And most progressives are too polite and castrated and politically correct to get mad about anything.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:51 PM
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6. there has to be easily understood reason for the disconnect
something to do with class, maybe- the haves all pressed into cahoots against the non haves and the have nots. After Clinton era ended, the upper class twittery thought youngster Bush was just reagan, only in funky babyboomer style. Is that what they expected, and instead got unmitigated greed and mindless incompetence spurred by a totally anti social mass media? and suddenly the USA is the snafu nation. And the Dems see no way out of dilemma but to 'stay the course' and pretend all's well until they regain control of the executive. And the rub is that the present bunch are literally shitting themselves in fear of justice. So they threaten war against Iran (China, Russia, N Korea, Venezuela??) and act like idiots they are, to try to extort ironclad guarantees 911 never honestly investigated, or the warcrimes/looting of the US treasury etc will be forever memory holed AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO GIVE IT TO THEM! Could this explanation point at the inexplicable actions of the supposed opposition? it's as if the Dems are carrying bush, and after what bush did to them....???
The reasoning that the pigmedia seem to be flirting with is that NO ONE EXPECTED any of what happened, and Bush simply lacked the wit to deal with it. In other words, the stupidity was sincere, etc. That explains the US dollar suddenly at par with the canadian peso. just a bunch dingbats trying their best- and that's NOT GOOD ENOUGh such as greedspan and a host of mediawhores are saying. But it is a lie. The busheviks intended to ruin the public service via wrecking the public purse, and turning the mass media into criminals was part of the idea(?)
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:40 PM
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9. Exactly The busheviks intended to ruin the public service via wrecking the public purse
They want to loot everything they can and obligate the rest for Military wars of aggression for all time. What ever is left after we pay their greed off is available for social spending
(But it can not be used for Prophylactics).
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:34 AM
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7. I must confess I have had similar thoughts.
I have not reached past 50/50. There must be something in the
air. I keep asking myself why I have this recurring thought.

The fac that only half (1/2) the country votes, started me
thinking. This means one half the country does not believe
it has a stake in the country.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:18 PM
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10. take back our party from the DLC is the answer. strategies, anyone?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:30 PM
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13. We need to abolish the Electoral College, so that a Third Party would become a viable option....
The DLC has made the Democratic Party a ball-less, spineless, weak-kneed version of the Republican Party. They can have it. A new Third Party that really represents the progressive and liberal values of the Left (the part of the Party now being squeezed out by the DLC) would really give this Party a run for its money (pun intended).

Corporatist Democrats need to be out-flanked, and only a viable thrid Party can do that at this point.

You asked, I answered.

TC
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:14 AM
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16. You're right of course & it shouldn't take more than a few centuries to get
it past those two political dinosaurs who so jealously preserve the corrupt status quo.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:00 PM
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19. Proportional elections in each state would allow third parties.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:29 PM
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21. 2008?
I thank that's a GREAT plan. I don't have the specifics, but I know in my gut we can do it. 2008?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:35 PM
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11. Brilliantly argued & highly recommended, Bill.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:27 PM
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12. moral inspiration
Wow! Thank you very kindly. I think that "moral inspiration" place is increasingly visited by patriotic Americans. This ain't over yet! We got rid of one King George, and we can by God get rid of this one too.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:07 AM
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15. If you would, PM me, as your profile doesn't allow me to PM you.
I wanted to pass on some information to you. I always enjoy your posts.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:35 PM
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18. be happy to -- I've been intending to anyway
Duh, I'm not sure how to do that, but I'll figure it out, and thanks for the kudos. It's takes time to write these things (and I've got 2 teaching jobs), so positive feedback makes me feel great.

solidarity, Bill
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:24 PM
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20. more positive feedback Bill!
Excellent piece! Thank you!

:applause:

:)
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:03 AM
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17. Just saw this. It desevers a kick. n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:14 AM
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22. kick
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:19 AM
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23. problem with Dems is they are big businesses lap dog almost as much as GOP
and it will be tough to get them off the lap since the Cheney-Halliburton type relationships exist all the way down to the lowest local level politics.
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