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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:43 PM
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Results of Busby/Bilbray U.S. House Special Election in Doubt!


Results of Close Busby/Bilbray U.S. House Special Election in Doubt!
Race to Replace Randy 'Duke' Cunningham in San Diego Was Run on Hackable Diebold Voting Machines, Kept Unsecured at Poll Worker Houses Overnight Before the Election!


To be clear, at this hour, we have no evidence to show that Democrat Francine Busby, running in yesterday's special run-off election in San Diego against Republican Brian Bilbray to replace the disgraced Republican Randy "Duke" Cunningham for the U.S. House (CA-50) race actually won it.

Neither do we have evidence to believe that Bilbray actually won it.

We do, however, have copious and documented evidence to suggest there is no reason in the world to have any faith that Bilbray won the race...

FULL REPORT:
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002924.htm
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:45 PM
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1. are they gonna pay for a re-count? n/t
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 02:55 AM
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29. IMHO - This should be BLASTED EVERYWHERE ON DU
What could possibly be more important.
None of our work here is of any use
if our votes are not counted.
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:46 PM
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2. hey they TOLD you who won!
isn't that enough for all you truth-grubbing-commie-pinko-fags-livin-in-a-commune?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:46 PM
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3. Is this late breaking news?
nt
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:57 PM
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4. nothing will happen
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:00 PM
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5. Given her gaffe last week and the area she was competing in
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 05:01 PM by gully
it's a wonder she didn't lose by more.

I'm not convinced this particular election was stolen, personally.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:05 PM
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8. You just don't get it, do you?
There is no reason to be convinced that any election processed on Dieblod machines was fair and square. Your faith has not a damn thing to do with it, the facts are the machines are ready, willing, and able, to steal any election. This one is no different.

Why anyone would jump to a conclusion is beyond reason.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:38 PM
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19. Oh I "get it" and as such I don't see how making THIS election an issue
lends credibility to the cause. She was an iffy candidate and lost in a heavilly Republican area after a major gaffe. Sorry, it's not that hard to "get."

Do I think elections are honest? No, but the R's don't have to steal every election - we give them some. Also, the Republicans spent loads of money on this race, money they hadn't spent in years gone by.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:48 PM
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22. We have to demand, in every election, that THEY prove that the election
was fair. In the UK the votes are counted and recounted until all candidates are satisfied. We should not have to live with 'reasonable theories' about why someone might have lost -- and if the theory is plausible then we do not contest. In our current state of emergency - we contest every election until they prove the election was fair. If they can't prove it was fair, then we get a do-over.

:kick:
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:13 PM
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25. We should demand a paper trail.
One can't demand an election is "fair" without it. Not a bad idea to contest every election, until one loses credibility for an actual case of evident fraud. I don't think this is the horse to hitch our wagon to is all. I do agree that we need to press for voter confidence in every election.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:56 PM
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27. Paper Ballots. Not a trail.
As Brother Andrew spaketh:
Paper and Ballot are both defined in Blacks Law Dictionary.

Demand paper balots.

-Hoot
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 10:18 PM
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28. Parsing words.
Optiscan machines are what I had in mind.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:54 PM
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26. Hear hear
It's about open elections. It's about time the tradition of electioneering ends.

-Hoot
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 07:28 PM
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18. They cannot prove she lost the election...neither can you...

IT doesn't really matter if you are "convinced" or not. I'm not convinced it was stolen either. More troublingly, I'm not convinced she lost it! And unless and until the San Diego County officials are able to demonstrate that she did, there is ZERO REASON TO HAVE CONFIDENCE in that election.

Read the entire article and then get back to us, if you actually care of honest and verifiable elections.

It's outrageous. And you democracy is at stake. If you give a damn about it anyway.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:39 PM
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20. I'm not convinced of anything when it comes to BBV,
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 08:42 PM by gully
however I think we should make an issue of legitimate fraud or we'll lose credibility when we have a REAL theft to concern ourselves with.

BTW, I'm a huge fan of yours but on this race, I think we're grasping at straws. BBV machines will never produce "proof" when it comes to elections.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 05:00 AM
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30. You just don't get it, do you?
There is no fucking way we can FIND OUT if there was fraud or not, as long as software and elections data is secret!! Jeebus!!
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:31 PM
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36. Nonsense...
Nonsense, Gully. You don't think we should make an issue of asking that they actually COUNT the ballots? And demonstrate the results are legitimate?

What straws am I grasping at?

You've got thousands of optically scanned ballots to count. COUNT. THEM.

If you missed my followup piece today, it is here:
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002928.htm
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:16 PM
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38. I'm not against a recount.
And, I'm glad there are ballots in THIS case.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:08 PM
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23. Exactly! We shouldn't have to "guess" as to which candidate
actually won. The way that these Diebold machines work, who can be confident with the results of any election??

There should be no questions in the minds of the public that election results are not legitimate.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:01 PM
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6. Yeah....And John Kerry Is Going To Become President
Sure....they'll spend about 2 minutes looking into this, before deciding it's impossible to get a recount from these Rigged machines.

Heck, the Dems are happy they came within 5 points, and that's all they wish to think about. The fact they lost escapes them.

Maybe we'll get 'em in November. Probably not though. The Dem party cowers and loses. That's what they do best.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:11 PM
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24. Nice attitude...
Thanks for the encouraging words. Let's just all say "fuck it" and hand the country over to the criminals. No use fighting for transparent elections...the Dems are going to screw it up anyhow.

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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:03 PM
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7. Has Busby conceded the election?
I called voters for several days for MoveOn and about 50% of the voters I actually spoke with had voted absentee ballot. If these have not been counted yet, then Busby may win!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:16 PM
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9. Brad makes an excellent point, THE point...It's critical to understand.
There COULD BE NO reason to believe that either candidate was elected because:

a) The votes are taken and totaled in secret by EQUIPMENT THAT CANNOT BE EXAMINED for software and
methods problems - except by the vendors. Boards of elections and us suckers, the general public, are not allowed to look at these machines.

b) The record of all machines that I've seen covered is truly sorry - they are vulnerable to hacks in some cases; they are based on weak software and hardware standards; and the manufacturers are really third or fourth string IT companies, not near the top of any major listing of high tech leaders.

c) There is ample reason to believe that election fraud has taken place from RFK Jr's article to TIA's work to Steve Freeman, USCountsVotes.Org, etc.

AS GuvWorld SAYS, show us you were elected and you prove your legitimacy; failure to do that confers illegitimate status on you as a ruler; and we say, WE DO NOT CONSENT!!!

K&R HIGHLY. Great post.

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:45 PM
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16. Point (a) is DEAD ON
Neither We the People, nor any elected representatives of our government, are allowed to examine the vote counting process. Needless to say, Joe Stalin loved that system.

With electronic voting someone else, not We the People or our elected representatives, is allowed to examine the process.

It's all secret. Not your vote, mind you. What is secret is who counts it.

There is NO transparency to the process.

We're not making sausages here. These are OUR elections. Vote counting should be done in the incandescent light of public view, not hidden behind a curtain of Oz-like impenetrability.

This cuts straight through to the very heart of democracy.

Thomas Paine said,

"The true and only true basis of representative government is equality of rights. Every man has a right to one vote, and no more in the choice of representatives. The rich have no more right to exclude the poor from the right of voting, or of electing and being elected, than the poor have to exclude the rich; and wherever it is attempted, or proposed, on either side, it is a question of force and not of right. Who is he that would exclude another? That other has a right to exclude him."

source: http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch13s40.html

Now that's what America is about.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:52 PM
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17. That Tom Paine quotation is money in the bank...stirring!!! Thanks n/t
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:33 PM
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10. and why do democratic candidates (except gore) enjoy conceding so quickly?
seems to be a trend of sorts.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:39 PM
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11. First line grabbed me:


"Race to Replace Randy 'Duke' Cunningham in San Diego Was Run on Hackable Diebold Voting Machines, Kept Unsecured at Poll Worker Houses Overnight Before the Election!"

They were kept Unsecured at Poll Worker Houses Overnight Before Election. Tell me this isn't true.

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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:43 PM
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15. It's true...

Confirmed by the San Diego's Registrar of Voters office.

Please Kick and Recommend because this story shouldn't have been moved to editorial!

Brad
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:59 PM
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12. Kept unsecured at Poll workers houses...
I think the citizens of the 50th need to think strongly about
strong action to secure a legally valid election.

Maybe a few thousand showing up at the board of elections office
with a big drum of hot tar and a bag of Avian Flu Bird Feathers might begin to express
adequate outrage.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:41 PM
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13. Thank you Brad for your unending dedication to this cause. nm
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:42 PM
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14. THIS IS NOT EDITORIAL!

This was moved into "Editorial" and it should not have been. These are reported facts. Why has DU moved this here???
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:45 PM
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21. Brad - Other Articles - The forum is Editorials & Other Articles
I am not saying that it should not have stayed in LBN - I am just saying that it is not being treated like an editorial, it is being treated like an "Other Article"...

The rules for posting in LBN are pretty strict and a lot of articles get moved out of LBN to this forum or to General Discussion.

It is on the Greatest Page - so it will be seen!

Thank you for writing & posting it -> :hi:



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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:16 AM
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31. As of today tehre are still 65000 uncounted votes. Why did she concede?
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:27 PM
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32. Hand Counted Paper ballots NOW!!!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:59 PM
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34. It is the only solution!
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 01:09 PM
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33. K&R
:kick:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:54 PM
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35. What was the percentage turnout? 30 PERCENT I heard. So, really,
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 04:59 PM by applegrove
with nobody voting.. get over it. People do actually have to show up at the polls & vote. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
:eyes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1377132&mesg_id=1377132

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:33 PM
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37. THOUSANDS VOTED...

And deserve to have their votes counted accurately.

Why is it you aren't willing to tell the Republican in this race that "nobody turned out" for them?

You have NO IDEA who turned out. that's the problem.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:54 AM
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39. 70% didn't turn out. So it doesn't matter. All the Repukes had to do
in a heavily repuke district.. was for 1/4 of them to show up. All of the Dems had to.
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