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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:25 PM
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...Aides to Kucinich, Nader, Dean bought supplies from Wal-Mart
Attention, Wal-Mart shoppers, er, critics
Aides to Kucinich, Nader, Dean bought supplies from chain

http://www.cleveland.com/world/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1129541417293880.xml&coll=2

Monday, October 17, 2005
Stephen Koff
Plain Dealer Bureau Chief
Washington

-- Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Howard Dean and others on the national stage have badmouthed Wal-Mart over its wages, benefits or impact on American communities.

Yet, their aides have bought office and campaign supplies there -- and presumably saved their bosses money with the low-price shopping.

Records reviewed by The Plain Dealer show that political organizations headed by these politicians -- as well as John Kerry, Wesley Clark, the liberal activist group America Coming Together and the pro-feminist group Emily's List -- have spent money at Wal-Mart over the last 2½ years.

Leaders and advisers of these groups have either criticized Wal-Mart or are lobbying to stop Wal-Mart's spread in cities including Cleveland...

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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:26 PM
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1. dingbats
:(
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:28 PM
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2. Ugh.
When our leaders don't know how to buy blue, you really have to wonder what planet they are on.

Disclosure: I'm a Dean person. This is disappointing.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:29 PM
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3. Shopping at Wal Mart vs. Illegal war
Which is worse? Depends on who one asks, I guess.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:30 PM
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4. See this is something they really need to work on
I saw Dean on hardball a while back and was asked if he thought people should drive smaller cars to help save on gas...he wouldn't answere....arrrggg...It made him look weak and like he didn't really believe what he was saying...maybe he doesn't ...I don't know but it really bothered me when I saw that segment.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:33 PM
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6. He doesn't think he has the right to tell anyone what they should drive.
And he's right. Sometimes you just have to trust people to make GOOD CHOICES.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:32 PM
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5. The AIDES in their campaigns? This is a NON-STORY.
Jesus, these people probably didn't even KNOW where their campaigns were shopping.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:35 PM
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7. This article has a very dishonest headline to say the least
Tubbs Jones spent $40, Kucinich spent around $500, Nader around $450. Only Kerry, Dean and Clark, among those whose amounts were given spent over $1000. Dean and Clark had highly decentralized campaigns which spent as they wished. My Dean group didn't spend at WalMart but we had a plethera of options. I am not all that concerned that around $5K of Dean's money went to WalMart. That is around 1/20 of 1%.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:39 PM
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11. exactly, so you've got an entire staff and one picks up some paper
at walmart. Big fuckin' deal!
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:36 PM
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8. Oh, the humanity
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wmills551 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:38 PM
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9. The only people who really boycott Walmart
Are rich white Democrats who would never shop there anyway. If you are poor or a candidate on a shoe string, you don't have much choice. Sorry, you don't.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:40 PM
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12. I'm not rich and I boycott walmart
so I guess I don't exist.

Having said that I could give two shits if one of Dean's aides picked up some crap there. mountain, molehill, you know.
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wmills551 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:13 PM
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13. Ok, some none rich people support
the boycotting of Walmart. For the most part they are young and not supporting anyone but themselves. The vast majority of people who "boycott" Walmart would not be caught dead in one anyway. They make no true sacrifice. It is a great sacrifice for many low income parents to avoid walmart, especially when they live in rural areas.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:22 AM
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20. I have two kids to feed
and I cannot afford the Marsh or the Kroger supermarket for essential food items. My paycheck only goes so far, particularly now with the high gas and energy prices.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:38 PM
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10. Frankly, it's inexcusable, just like
it's inexcusable when I have to go to Wally World to get a whole beef brisket or a pork shoulder since precisely NONE of the other local grocers will stock it, because they've been priced out of the market by Wally World. That's how monopolism works.

I'd say, in my own defense, it's a little different when you're going there for copy paper or plastic cups. That's just a matter of trying to save a nickel on the backs of some poor people.

In the long run, it might do us well to send a polite but firm note to our progressive leaders, asking them to take a "No Wal-Mart Pledge," or to commit to staying out of the Black Hole of Bentonville unless it can be demonstrated that there was absolutely no other alternative.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:59 PM
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14. Oh, who in the hell cares!
Geez, talk about minutiae. People on fixed incomes and families who are on tight budgets probably shop at WalMart because they can get some items cheaper.

I can get some items at my nearest WalMart far cheaper than anywhere else. I price shop so I go to many different stores to get the best buy.

Some people shouldn't be so judgemental.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:21 PM
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15. So what? I buy my cat food and cat litter from Walmart
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:25 PM
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16. The Walton family's probably the biggest beneficiaries of Maoism.
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 05:33 PM by Algorem
pretty silly shituation
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:22 AM
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17. Jeebus people! The campaign budget was $10 million ferchrissakes!
And that means that 0.005% of the total campaign budget was spent at WalMart, probably by some aide that was in a hurry. For Dean $5000 is some fraction of a number much larger.

Mostly they didn't shop at WalMart. And they don't have much control over what decentralized volunteers do. We still used the buttons that somebody goofed up on and had made at a non-union shop.

Kucinich also has a policy of riding only in American cars, which I'm sure he can't follow through with 100% of the time. Out here in Puget Sound Prefecture, we couldn't always meet that requirement.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:24 AM
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18. Nitpicking, as USUAL, by one of Machaskee's little GOP-bitches.
I've had to suffer through Stephen Koff's bullshite for the past couple of years and this idiot is probably one of the PD's most insufferable Bushbots next to Kevin O'Brien. This non-story is the latest in a series of shots against Democrats that this hack has spewed. He also tried to blast Teresa Heinz-Kerry for owning Wal-Mart stock once.

What's hilarious is that he relies on the equally RW-biased factcheck.org for his "information".

He also had the audacity to run a story praising job offshoring in a paper whose county was the worst hit in Ohio for job losses during his hero's administration. What's worse, the article made no damned sense. Direct Foreign Investment is NOT the same thing as offshore outsourcing. AT ALL. No one from a foreign country loses a job and is forced to start all over in their 40s and 50s due to DFI. One country's middle class isn't being destroyed to prop up anothers due to DFI. One country's ability to create new industries isn't being sent overseas due to DFI. It isn't the same thing. Naturally, my LTTE calling him on his stupidity of course didn't get published in Little Alex's rag.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:21 AM
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19. as well as Kerry, Clark, Emily's List, etc.
and probably as well as all the low-income and working poor families that cannot afford to shop elsewhere.
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