Losing by 335,000 in N.H., Nader Demands a Recount

[seemslikeadream]

By Jonathan Finer and Brian Faler
Wednesday, November 10, 2004; Page A07

Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, who lost by about 335,000 votes in New Hampshire, has asked the state for a recount.

No, the longtime consumer advocate is not hoping to change last week's outcome in the Granite State, where Democrat John F. Kerry was the winner. Rather, he said, he is concerned about the veracity of the result

"We have received reports of irregularities in the vote reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines in comparison to exit polls and trends in voting in New Hampshire," Nader wrote Secretary of State William M. Gardner. "These irregularities favor President George W. Bush by 5% to 15% over what was expected."

New Hampshire uses Diebold machines at 132 polling places. Gardner's office received Nader's fax at 4:59 p.m. Friday, one minute before the deadline. Under state law, if a candidate requesting a recount finished more than three percentage points behind, he must pay for the process. Gardner said that if the Nader campaign sends a check for $2,000 and promises to pay any additional charges, he will round up the ballots and initiate a hand count.

Spokesman Kevin Zeese said Nader was planning to send the check yesterday. "Either it will allay people's fears about the results, or it will open the door to looking at other states," Zeese said.

more
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38000-2004Nov9.html

[Rjnerd]

1. If he cared about actual results,

and not making his republican donors happy, he would demand the recount in Florida.

-dp-

[KittyWampus]

Nader Is Doing This At Request Of Democratic Activists

[alittlelark]

5. I was one who requested him to do it.....

....what the hell else do we have to lose?

[seemslikeadream]

2. It's all about this

"will open the door to looking at other states"

[LisaL]

3. Florida is very expensive, I think.

[Pirate Smile]

11. What about Ohio? That is where we really need a recount.

We can find or raise the money if we have a little time.

[chelaque liberal]

31. The Ohio Democratic Party statement

Every Vote Will Be Counted!
Dan Trevas, Ohio Democratic Party Communications Director
t r u t h o u t | Statement

Tuesday 09 November 2004

The Ohio Democratic Party shares Sen. John Kerry's insistence that every vote be counted.
Here is where we stand in Ohio:

After the Unofficial Results reported Nov. 2 - George Bush leads John Kerry by 136,483 votes.

Provisional ballots will be counted.

155,000 provisional ballots have been cast and not yet been counted.

County Boards of Elections have until Friday to verify the eligibility of those who cast a provisional vote. Counting will begin, Saturday, November 13. County Boards have until Dec. 1, 2004 to certify their vote totals and report them to the Secretary of State.

more at
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111004V.shtml

[pinkpops]

4. so how do they recount electronic votes?

[alittlelark]

6. It's the sunlight that they fear.

[TahitiNut]

7. The 'AccuVote' is an optically-scanned paper ballot.

(So they just find people that aren't blind ... partisans.)

[pinkpops]

8. I shoulda known that!

[berner59]

9. this is VERY good...

This won't take that long since it's a smaller state and if they prove that the exit poll WAS right...bingo - that's what this is about...

[Politicub]

40. That's what I want to find out too n/t

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

10. Give it up Ralph

You senile drama queen

[Eloriel]

17. Several DUers have been working VERY hard to make this

happen. Are they senile drama queens too?

You ought to get on your knees and thank Nader for his participation in this. OUR guy (Kerry, in case you forgot) is in an undisclosed location being all brave or something.

Check it out before you say anything more:

DU INFO ALERT: Why Recounting in New Hampshire Could Save Democracy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2617155

Need Some DU Help w/New Hampshire Stuff!!! (URGENT)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=26802&mesg_id=26802

RALPH NADER MAY SAVE THE WORLD!!! (Its NOT Over in NH!) Updated Fri 8:15p
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x25116

Nader requests NH vote recount. (Did we just make a huge blunder?)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=965216

Nader, Cobb and Badnarik may all be willing to look into recounts in Ohio
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x26843

[seemslikeadream]

20. Thanks Eloriel

[Name removed]

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[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

42. I have no problem with investigating potential voter fraud, However

1. I do feel that Nader is doing it more for attention than anything else.

2. New Hampshire is not the place to look. Ohio and Florida are a different story.

Get it?

[Carl Brennan]

35. Whose side are you on? Answer me that

From here on I consider anybody who denigrates Nader in this project is closet Rethug. :grr:

[seemslikeadream]

36. Ralph Nader Holds Press Conference in Washington

NOVEMBER 10, 2004
9:46 AM
CONTACT: Vote Nader.org
Main Office: 202-265-4000


Ralph Nader Holds Press Conference in Washington, DC 1:00 PM, November 10, 2004

WASHINGTON -- November 10 -- Was Every Vote Counted Accurately? Nader/Camejo Goes Forward with Hand Recount in New Hampshire

Washington, DC: Independent Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader will be holding a press conference at 1:00 in at 1616 P Street, NW, 7th Floor. The press conference will focus on widespread reports of voting problems that raise questions about vote counting. The United States needs to face up to serious shortcomings in its electoral
process so that we can have trust in the results of the vote.

Nader/Camejo has requested a hand recount of the vote in New Hampshire because of reports of anomalies favoring President Bush in towns that used the Diebold AccuVote optical scan machines. A hand recount will either rule out the possibility of machine error or show a discrepancy in the Diebold machine and the actual vote-either way voters need to know. To review the request for a hand recount in New Hampshire visit www.VoteNader.org. Similar inexplicable results have been found in other states, including Ohio. Nader has called on John Kerry to demand that every vote be counted accurately. His campaign has remained strangely silent on the matter.

This election has highlighted the need for electoral reform including federal standards for federal offices and non-partisan administration of the elections from ballot access, through debate participation and to how the vote is cast and counted.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1110-08.htm

:hi:

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

47. I'm a closet Rethug?

After Nader took Rethug money? Your logic is incredible.
:crazy:

[Carl Brennan]

48. Well, at least I have the capacity for logic. Funny or not.

[onehandle]

12. You gave us Bush in 2000. Go away. nt

[frylock]

14. remember when all those dems were tripping over each other..

to lend support to the Congressional Black Caucus by signing their objections, and invalidate the Electoral College decision? No.. I don't either. But that was Nader's fault, right?

[JackieO]

26. AND DON'T FORGET IT!!!

:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

[Zhade]

29. THANK you.

NT!



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[frylock]

13. i see the usual suspects have come out to beat up on ralph..

at least he has more spine than the majority of Dems who wouldn't dare ask for a recount for fear of alienating the undecideds who may possibly be considering voting Democratic in 2008, or 2012, or 2016, etc. Heaven forbid if the Dems actually offend someones tender sensibilities. :eyes:

[keopeli]

15. Nader is a loose canon whom I've despised for several years, but

now that we live in the Holy States of Murika, my perspective has changed radically. What we need are a LOT of loose canons. People who don't listen to ANYONE but their lawyers, and even they don't always get to have a say. This is exactly the same behavior as PNAC who took over the US, may she rest in peace.

However, the US, like Murika, are not living things, but living ideas, and they can be killed and re-born. It depends on what the people will allow. Murikanis believe everything they see on TV. Everything. You just have to say it often. Loose canons like Ralph get more press than Kerry ever has or will in the old US or in Murika.

Ralph, my friends, has worked his way into the history books in a rather significant way. And, he's still alive and kicking.

He doesn't take sides. He'll step on anyone. He'll take money from anyone. If you want to invest in a loose cannon, more power to you. It just might work out in your favor.

Citizen At Large

[Eloriel]

19. Nicely put

We have to stop relying on our Dem leaders to lead -- they won't. They either don't know how (anymore), or they don't have the intestinal fortitude for it. We've waited for four long years, pinning everything on this election.

We now have our answer: WE have to be the ones to make things happen. If we're lucky, they'll come following along (since following is their cowardly specialty).

I'm with you: bring on the loose cannons. We have NOTHING to lose at this point, nothing.

I for one feel liberated and energized. DUers did this. Can you grok it? DUers did this!

[Poor Richard Lex]

37. hehe I grok

The Democratic party needs to be changed from the inside. By people like us. We are the future of the Democratic party. Dean has been saying this all along.

[TahitiNut]

24. (Hmmm...) I thought he was a tight fugue.

Go figure. :shrug:

Polyphonic procedure involving a specified number of voices in which a motive (subject) is exposed, in each voice, in an initial tonic/dominant relationship, then developed by contrapuntal means. Nader, exposes the subject without venturing out of an initial tonic/dominant constellation and consists of one exposition followed by optional developments.

[Demit]

32. hahaha! I knew he wasn't a strict canon, but...

[thephaseshift]

30. Nader is the man

Right on. I don't like people who blame Nader for 2000, and hate him in general. He's probably the most sane and brave warrior for democracy that ever existed in recent times. Christ, he's been at it for decades, making serious progress for the Joe Blows in the street. As for him spoiling things, give me a break. You can't blame the guy for sticking to his guns. The deal is, a democracy - as long as we're pretending to live in one - has to give everyone a chance, and this two-party bullshit is a threat. Instead of making a wishy-washy political decision on a case-by-case basis, he's doing the right thing, and he continues to do the right thing even when the masses are against him. Good for him.

[newyawker99]

33. Hi the phaseshift!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[truthisfreedom]

16. how many other deadlines will pass while ralph waits for the results of

this recount?

[Eloriel]

18. How many other deadlines will KERRY miss before

this recount is done?

[hedda_foil]

21. GO ELORIEL!!!!

You ROCK, girlfriend!

And say it again!

DUERS DID THIS!

Tomorrow, phase 2 begins with a press conference in DC and the unveiling of the Help America Recount Fund. If the damn Dems are too weak-kneed to stand up for themselves, we'll raise the money and fund the damn recounts ourselves. We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore. It's our country and our vote and we're taking back the power!

[RevCheesehead]

22. THANK YOU, Hedda, Eloriel, and Ida Briggs!!!!!!!!!!!

You took the initiative!!! YOU made this happen!!!!

:toast:

[truthisfreedom]

23. intriguing. i'm interested in hearing more about this.

website somewhere?

[OutsourceBush]

25. If Nader was so interested in saving the world

I doubt he would have waited till 1 minute before the deadline to send a fax.

[FullCountNotRecount]

27. If he did it too early it would have given Bush more time

to screw with the ballot boxes that hold the optiscans. Waiting until the last minute after many of Bush operatives left the state of New Hampshire made it harder for them to recreate ballots to match the ballot boxes. Don't put anything past these Bushes. They are shocked that we would ask a recount in a state that We won. But this is where we need to catch them. We threw the GOP off their game. They were waiting for us in OH, NV, NM and FL. This was great strategy..and someone on this little website may have saved US democracy and the world!

[Gayla]

34. For Real?

I admit to being in hiding since the 2nd, but I thought
they had already denied this recount?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

38. thankGodRalph has put back on his"consumer advocate"hat.it fits himbetter!

i will donate money for the recount!

[Karna]

39. god bless you nader. s___ you kerry!

left us out to dry.

[Bonobo]

41. I said it before and I'll say it again - To All Who Attack Nader:

You cannot seem to argue with any of his positions, so you always resort to attacking his motives or to ad hominem arguments. These would be better suited to a freeper site, but are unwelcome and frankly embarrassing here.

[NJ_Blue]

43. Big Deal WHAT ABOUT OH and FL

Clock is ticking.. Who cares about NH! What happends if something proves that * got more votes? What happends if all goes well? You know what? It knocks the wind out of our cause!

This should have started in Ohio, period.

Recounting NH is a waste of time, and we have more to lose then gain there.

[IdaBriggs]

44. Bite me. You don't like my plan, come up with your own. nt

[lovuian]

45. Nader Rocks!!!

Maybe his mission in life is at this moment!!!

and the irony is Bush helped him get on the ballot!!!

[Voltaire99]

46. More brains than Kerry...

And now, more balls, too. You rock, Ralph!