Undecided voters now firmly ... undecided

[kskiska]

After three rounds, no knockout. And no clear winner Wednesday night.

That was the assessment of three Minnesotans who still aren't sure who they will vote for on Nov. 2 after watching George Bush and John Kerry debate each other for 270 minutes during the past two weeks.

"This was probably the most convoluted yet, and it was kind of a wash for both of them," said Anita Gray, a homemaker from Littlefork. "I've gotten a lot of information from these debates, but I don't know how much help they were in helping me make up my mind. If anything, they made me not know who I'm going to vote for."

(snip)

Labbe, a 43-year-old painting company owner from St. Louis Park, started the debate thinking it could be pivotal to his choice. "I'm still going to have to gnaw on this awhile before I make a choice," he said. "Maybe listen to some of the pundits, jot a few things down. Even after all of this, it's still a very tough decision."

(snip)

Still leaning toward Kerry, he gave a thumbs-down to Bush's answers to questions about the minimum wage and off-shoring American jobs. "All he talked about was getting enough education to take a loser job. Those weren't real viable answers."

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[bluestateguy]

1. Losers

Sometimes I think undecided voters just want attention. There are so few of them now that they are a rare commodity for reporters. You say you are undecided, than you get to be on TV; maybe NBC will do a profile on you and your nice, white-bread family; you get to be in a CNN focus group. It's all a really nice deal for people looking for their 15 minutes of fame, especially since I bet most of these folks have little in the way of real life accomplishments. I bet you most of them never bother to show up and vote anyway.

[truthisfreedom]

5. hey, i'm from Minnesota. watch it.

8^)

we take care of our losers.

weird bunch, huh?

[Puglover]

51. I'm from South Minneapolis

And the first poster is right. This women is a moron.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

61. This women is in the internets. It's hard work.

Got wood?

[MidwestTransplant]

15. They are just indecisive by nature.

These people take it to an extreme. I am sure they have trouble making decisions for most things.

[durablend]

35. Indecisive idiots...

They're the same ones you find in the parking lot wrestling with the harrowing decision of which of two adjoining parking spaces to take.

[wackywill]

44. Like what clothes to wear, what to eat, what tires to buy, etc

Can you imagine how long these people take to make a real decision like buying a house!

Ok I've finally decided I'll buy the house on Main St.....oops it was sold.....4 years ago.

[Seabiscuit]

73. What planet did these dumbfuck "undecideds" come from????

They've obviously had their head in some Martian sand for four years now. Wake up, dumbfucks!!! You're about to lose your jobs!!!

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

2. I don't get people who are undecided in this one

But, well, that must be my limited brain power.

Funny, I never thought of it, but 270minutes 270electoral votes, odd no?

[troublemaker]

3. My cat is leaning Kerry after the debate. Does that get an article?

[Seabiscuit]

74. These dumbfucks' brains are much smaller than your cat's.

[Sugarbleus]

4. In all my life, I've never given much thought to "undecided"

voters. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? Independents??? What is their party affiliation?

I AM SICK OF THEM! At this late date, after all the heated political writings, rallies, media coverage etc etc. THEY ARE STILL UNDECIDED?

SCREW EM. They've got to be dumber than a box of ROCKS!! :dunce:

[rsmith6621]

8. If They Havent Made a Choice By

NOW!!!!!!!!!


They probably never WILL........Most of them probably cant read or surf the INTERNETS......


Realisticly
What more do they need to hear about....

[Sugarbleus]

14. Bwahahahahahaah--->"InternetS"

Seriously, NO SHIT! There ought to be a limit on how long they can hang the rest of us up with their "undecided" bull.

:hi:

[6th Borough]

24. I have a feeling that most "undecideds" fall into 1 of these 2 groups

A) They aren't going to vote.
B) The only reason they will vote is because the always vote. You know, civic duty and all.

[freetobegay]

6. There are no undecideds

There are only attention getters & liars!

[Still_Notafraid]

7. LOL

what is wrong with these people!One of my sisters friends(18)said that she didn't know who she was voting for she said that I know Bush is taking us toward damnation but i don't know what Kerry will do.
I just stared at her in amazement at the stupidity of her comments.

what is wrong with these Moran's!!

[frylock]

9. stay the fuck home, idiots..

honestly, how have these people made it through life as long as they have?

[devinsgram]

45. My sentiments exactly,

If they can't see how idiotic * is then stay home, because these are the ones who would probably fall for the insane talking of * . To me there is only one word to sum it up. STUPIDITY

[Pompeius Magnus]

53. Darwin

Darwin's laws are on hold....

[Doug Decker]

64. Welcome to DU...

"Let them hate as long as they fear." Sounds like the Bush/Cheney motto for the War on Terror, rather than Caligula's words.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. Three future Darwin Award Hall-of-Famers.

[progressivebydesign]

11. I'm usually pretty nice about these things..

..but these people are bordering on too stupid to function. I mean.. shit.. how hard is it to pick a fucking president? If you can't tell the difference, then just don't vote. God.. the ignorance.

[PartyPooper]

12. How do "undecideds" function daily in the real world?

If they have so much angst and perplexity in deciding for whom to vote, how do they get by coping with life's other struggles?

What do they believe in? What are their basic principles? Do they even read anything about politics or history? Do they discuss issues affecting their own lives?

I just don't "get" this phenomenon. I really don't.

:dunce:

[ignatius 2]

13. If a person hasn't made up their mind by now, they really don't

have a mind.

[kskiska]

16. Dig this one:

For Gray, the single high point of the debate came at the end, when moderator Bob Schieffer asked Bush and Kerry about the women in their lives.

"For the first time, they seemed like regular people making jokes about their wives like normal people do," she said. "For just a flash, they seemed like normal human beings. Then, here we go again -- it was back to their speeches."

[silverpatronus]

83. fer chrissake...

you're picking a president not a golf partner! 'here we go again -- it was back to their speeches'...YER DAMN RIGHT! because their plans for the damn country are what's important, not their plans to play gin rummy!

these people need to understand a few things. you will never play golf, drink beer, kick back or otherwise hang out with the president...EVER. so they need to kindly stop basing their decisions on who seems like the better buddy and start thinking about IMPORTANT SHIT! i don't even care what damn side they take, i don't care if they vote third party, i don't care if they don't even vote, but hell MAKE A DAMN DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ALREADY!

i dislike using pejorative terms regarding people's intelligence, but this once i will make an exception. what a bunch of clueless morons...

[gemini62167]

17. If by this time Undecides, still are... then it's they're fault...

Common, there is more than enough information out there to research to determine which of the two candidates best suit your needs. If by now someone is still undecided, then they must be just to damn lazy to find out for themselves and are waiting for some miraculous media "sound bite" to drop from their televisions to help them make up their minds. If someone where to tell me they were undecided, so close to the election I would tell them to get thier lazy asses on the net and start doing some reading for god's sake.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

18. Oh please..these people are going to sit home on election day

[Sleepless In NY]

19. How do these people even decide how to dress themselves

in the morning? Still cant make up their minds? Come on! Bush is the only president , War time, or not to lose jobs....you would almost think that would help them "decide".... but no..ok...I give up.

[BiggJawn]

42. They have closets full of the same ensembles

And even then it's "Do I wear the blue shirt and the grey slacks, or the blue shirt and the grey slacks, or the blue shirt..."

Fucking morans who think it's SO "cute" that they're getting blow-jobbed by the media....

Less than 3 weeks to the elections and you have "no idea" who you want as president. Go back to your reality Teeee-Veee, we'll wake you up in another 4 years to ask you who you can't make up your mind over again...

[booksenkatz]

43. Garanimals.

Mix and match clothing.

[JusticeForAll]

20. Convince them to go vote

I know it is difficult to accept these people for what they are...but if they can be convinced to go vote, chances are you can count for a vote for K/E.

Work on them!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. No way...how do I know they won't change their minds on the way?

[Sleepless In NY]

23. nothingshocksmeanymore...LMAO!

That's exactly how I feel! LOL!! Ok, I'll keep trying..maybe...LOL!

[Days Between]

26. no doubt!

these people barely realize there is a war going on; its just another cop story tv show to them. That's much of america, actually...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

22. Gray.

How appropriate.

[wellst0nev0ter]

59. She's The Same Undecided Voter They Talked To Every Time

Damn, it must be lonely out there :eyes:

[Nicholas_J]

25. I guess Ohio voters are different

CNN had a group of undecided Ohio voters watch the debates and asked the group if they had made a decision on who they would vote for. Seven said that the debates had decided them for Bush. 12 stated that the debate had made them decide to finally support Kerry. Seven others still remained undecided. Small sample, but the question was not who won the debates, but who they had finally decided to vote for.

This result indicated that nearky twice as many endecided voters had decided for Kerry rather than Bush. This in a state that has leaned towards Republicans.

The concerns of the remaining undecided were primarily in areas that are Kerry strengths, like universal health care. If the remaining Ohio voters end up splitting in the same percentages Kerry woould get five more of the remaining undecided voters, while Bush would get two. This would give Kerry 17 votes to 9 for Bush. resulting in a clear win for Kerry if he gets similar percentages of remaining undecided voters. Historical trnds are that as the end of the campaign gets closer, larger and larger percentages of undecided voters break against voting for the incumbent.

After each debate Kerry's wins have yielded positive momentum in polls done by independent pollsters. Zogby for example had Kerry a few point ahead of Bush 72 hours after the second debate. Similar boubcw for Kerry should be expected by late this week, or early next week.

Given the numerical superiority of Democratic voters, Bush has to maintain a minimum of a REAL three point lead on Kerry in polls in order to win the election

Tonights results indicate that Zogbys statement last night that this election is now Kerry's to lose and that if all things remain the same, Kerry should win this election.

[Days Between]

27. Dulled by tap water

[illuminaughty]

28. Unfuckingdecided

I'm sorry. But this race should be viewed like the Carnahan/Ashcroft Senate race.

You know..."let's see, do I vote for Ashcroft, or the dead guy? Ashcroft or rotting corpse?" Of course they chose the dead guy. Anybody but Ashcroft.

And if George Bush was running against a dead guy, even if it's Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy, you gotta go with the dead serial killer!

But..., he's running against a charming, intelligent, eloquent, multi-lingual, rational, coherent, gentleman with 20 years of political experience in the senate who is not a chickenhawk!!

And they are unfuckingdecided.

[Puglover]

52. Funny post

I'm sitting here at work chuckling over this one! LOL...you're the type of person it would be fun to have a beer with!

[lakercub]

81. Fun to have a beer with?

Then he should run for president. I hear that is a good reason to vote for someone *sigh* :)

[Piperay]

29. Just getting stupider

everyday.:silly: People like that seem to stupid to live, how do they even manage to cross the street. :freak:

[pinniped]

30. "Undecided morans now firmly...morans"

Guess I didn't realize picking good over evil would be such an arduous task.

Seriously, what more do these undecided morans want?

[donheld]

31. They like the attention

i think many of these "undesided voters" either like the attention they are getting, or they are the kind who are undesided about everything that's ever happened in they're life.

[ThoughtCriminal]

32. Two kinds of undecideds that I've noticed

1. Don't like either, both sides are corrupt, etc.. Trying to pick lesser of evils

2. Single issue voters. Hate, hate, hate Bush but single issue (Abortion, Guns, etc.) is overiding everything else.

[republicansareevil]

58. I think that's very astute.

I think also that a lot of undecided voters are trying to assess the candidates' "character" without looking at their records, and you just can't do that. If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything, as the quotation goes. You're not going to get a sign from heaven by watching a debate. You're not going to have a "Dead Zone" moment where one of the candidates does something shockingly despicable. You need to decide which issues matter to you the most, decide what your positions are on those issues, and figure out where the candidate's stand, what their records show, and look at how closely it matches your beliefs. People who complain they don't have enough information may be foolishly thinking that the "journalists" and pundits on news programs are going to say something insightful that will help give them clarity. You can go on the "Internets" to the candidates' websites and find out their positions. If you don't have access to the Internet, you could call your local Dem and Repub HQs and ask them to mail you some info. People could get any information they needed if they really cared.

[AndyTiedye]

69. Most who are STILL Undecided are #2

They don't like Booosh and they know he is screwing them,
but their preacher says that it would be a sin to vote for Kerry, so they won't.

They'll either vote for Booosh or (hopefully) stay home.

[nonconformist]

33. Welcome to Apathetic America

And people wonder why the Bush cabal was given a blank check by the American people invade Iraq. This is why.

[Days Between]

34. seriously, its tap water and

repukeagains cheap schwag beer: Coors

[booksenkatz]

36. THEN STAY HOME, YOU UNINFORMED HALFWITS. That is all. nt

[gavodotcom]

37. Aren't these the type of people...

Who might only now be getting into the election?

And if so, would they do research on the internet?

And if they're doing that, would they come here?

And if they're coming here, do you think they'll see what DU'ers think of undecideds?

And if they know what we think of them, do you think they'll still vote Kerry?

[nonconformist]

38. They'd probably feel mixed about it. nt

[BiggJawn]

60. And if they're gonna let some pissed-off Democrats...

Who can't believe they "sleep-walk" through life like this "offend" them...

I don't care. YOU wanna kiss-ass the flighty, Mythical "Swing voters", you go ahead.

Me, I tend to like the phrase "Choose quickly, your death is upon you..."

They're not gonna vote anyway. By the time they make up their mind to go to the polls, it'll be after 6PM and they can't vote.

[Days Between]

66. DU is too progressive for them

They're so ignorant (ignoring), they won't find DU. They'll stick to the same bs mainstream that got them on tv in the first place, even if its on the internet.

On the other hand, if it would get pnac out, iI'd consider kissing an undecided's ass.

[Oak2004]

78. YES!!!

Many formerly Democratic voters became Republicans because they percieved Democrats as elitists who looked down upon them.

And, regrettably, in many cases they were right. There seems to be little if any appreciation of and patience among liberals for ordinary working people who might be a little slow or not very well educated or both, who struggle to make sense of what they hear every election time, and who are vulnerable to being influenced by propaganda. While not all undecided voters are persons with recognizable intellectual disadvantages, many of them are.

These are real people, who move and breathe and sweat and bleed, and who disproportionately bleed whenever this government decides to send its soldiers to war. They may not be brilliant, but they are our brothers and sisters, descended equally from the woman in Africa whose progeny spread to every corner of the earth. These people are among those who built the buildings we sit in, drove the produce we ate for dinner to market, rang up the computers we're using on the cash register and handed us our reciept. One of these people swept my floor today, washed my dishes, and cleaned my respiratory equipment today. These people have earned our respect.

It's our job, the job of us who have a few more IQ points or a few less learning disabilities or whose parents could afford to buy us a better education, to serve these people in return. It's our job to honor them for what they contribute to society, to listen closely to their wants and needs, and to use our intelligence to communicate the information these people need in a way that they can understand it.

Of course the right is an order of magnitude more elitist than the left. Of course they look at these not-so-intellectually-able people as pawns and cannon fodder. But if you listen closely, you'll hear that the right wing demagogues who speak to these people do not speak to them with contempt. They don't condemn them for not doing what they're not capable of doing. The demagogues flatter these people as they manipulate them.

Which would you rather listen to -- flattery or contempt?

It is unbelievably critical that instead of condemning people for being undecided or "drinking the kool aid", we listen to them. We've got to understand why it is they're uncertain or attracted to politicians who will act against their interests. Yes, these people aren't using reason -- they aren't capable of it, or haven't learned it, or strong emotions from their past experiences overpower it. We need to understand what it is that they are thinking, and bring our message to them in ways that they can understand it. Calling them idiots only insures they'll run far away from us "elitists" and back into the arms of the demagogues.

(Please excuse any typos and bad grammar -- I'm in a hurry to go somewhere)

[calico1]

39. Unfortunately these so called

undecideds represent a pretty good portion of Americans--people who have absolutely no clue about what is going on. No clue. I know several of them. These people don't watch news, don't read the papers and are pretty much disinterested in politics. They feel nothing is ever going to change no matter who is in office so they just don't get involved. If you consider that almost half of eligible people don't vote, its not hard to imagine the "undecided" voter who just can't seem to distinguish between two totally different candidates. I agree that most of these people probably won't even vote.

[Skittles]

40. "enough education to get a loser job"

and you're STILL undecided? For GOD'S SAKE MAN PULL YOUR HEAD OUT.

[baldguy]

41. If they really can't decide, then they shouldn't vote.

I don't want Americans to lose our freedom to fasciosm because a bunch of idiots flipped a coin to decide who to vote.

[JPace]

46. Do you notice that when you see a group of independents

they have a flat affect? These people have NO passion!
Feelings are tightly controlled or absent. Four years
under furious george's socially erosive leadership
and they just don't respond to all the chaos around
them.

[lucky777]

47. Ohio is full these losers . . . .

Moved here a year ago from Oregon to teach at a rural university (I'm a professor) and I am constantly amazed at these people: blank faces, pasty skin, minivan and truck driving, never reading books, religious, never been on an airplane, never met a Jew, no ideas, just the empty faces. It is the scariest thing you'll ever see. These bozos have terrible lives, no money, but they are religious and against abortion, so they get torn. Fucking idiots.

If you don't know how to vote in this one, then you shouldn't vote.

[republicansareevil]

50. Way to put down an entire state

:eyes:

[Kukesa]

75. Hey, hey, you're talkin' Buckeyes here

and all of us are NOT as you described.

Just go to our Ohio Forum and read what we're doing for this campaign.

[eyepaddle]

48. I know tihs might sound bad, but

I think we ought to look into making people take some kind of test before they vote. Questions like "identify the USA on a map. What are the three baranches of the federal gevernment." I know stuff like this left the south open to Jim Crow, but my god some of our fellow citizens are so damned stupid I just want to scream.

[Gregorian]

49. Stupid people.......still stupid.

With this media, how would we expect them to be anything but ignorant. Because to be undecided with this kind of an obvious choice, is to be uninformed at best.

[Kimber Scott]

54. Figure out who you are and pick a side!

These people just don't know what their own beliefs and values are. The debates showed clear distinctions between the two candidates and what they stand for.

Anybody who can't see that, doesn't know who they are themselves.

[Gregorian]

55. Damn! I really WOULD vote for Bush. If he were running against Hitler.

[AndyTiedye]

68. I'm undecided about that one.

> Damn! I really WOULD vote for Bush. If he were running against Hitler

After seeing 4 years of Boosh, and knowing from the PNAC literature what they
have planned, I'm undecided on that one.

[Kadie]

56. If they haven't decided by now then they should just forget about it.

Don't vote, stay home.

Can you see these people standing in line to vote, they go up to the voting booth and then stand there for an hour still trying to figure out who to vote for. Meanwhile, others are left waiting while some "undecided" tries to decide.

[geekgrrl]

57. undecided voters = tools

if you can't make your mind up at this point between 2 of the most different people ever than, well, I don't even know what to do with you.

[ProfessorGAC]

62. I Honestly Don't Believe Them

They either do know who they're voting for, and always did. Or, they are truly Bush voters who've become undecided after seeing Li'l Georgie in direct contrast to a real man with a real education.

Either way, all three of these people are lying.
The Professor

[DFWJock]

63. Im glad to read

everyones comments. I have thought for awhile that these "undecided voters" are truly ignorant. I mean, come on, fucking pay attention.
I screamed at this woman on TV last week, an "undecided" - she said "I just dont know where they stand on the issues."

Damn lady - pick up a newspaper, log on to the internet(s), watch the news....SOMETHING....

OK, I feel better.

[peterh]

65. It’s a friggin’ rarity that I can agree with Bob Novak....

on anything….but…


http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/debates/press.pundits/results.html

The election has been frozen for almost two weeks, and I can't imagine this debate will change anything.


There are no undecideds out there….among those that “will” vote, there’s just the informed and the uninformed…..and everyone has already made up their mind. Only some whooping October surprise will likely change it by a percentage or two….

The election has already been decided and the one that best knows how to interpret the accuracies of the various polls probably knows the result already….imho….of course…

[Piperay]

77. I agree, the 'undecideds'

have waited too long to make up their 'minds' now they are virtually irrelevant.

[RememberWellstone]

67. WTF???

Did they even watch the freaking debates?? Morons. Holy hell, can they not see how clearly Kerry dominated Bush??? Geeezus H., Screw em' if they're that idiotic.

[Mithras61]

71. Re: Watching Debates

The fundamental problem is that * lied the same lies he's been spewing for some time now, and if you didn't have a clue before watching the debates, you still wouldn't have a clue afterwards. The fundamental problem is that the MEDIA WHORES have been FAILING in their duty to INFORM the people of this country. If the media, especially TV, would come out and call a lie a lie, there wouldn't be anyone undecided!


Wait a minute. I take that back. I just remembered a stupid comment my wife got from a coworker a couple days ago... "That's the problem with you Democrats... you think too much!" Some people will NEVER be able to decide, anymore than some people are fundamentally unable to make & keep a commitment.

[Chimpanzee]

70. Intellectually lazy fucks don't deserve this country

Do they realize how embarrassed they should feel?

[demokatgurrl]

72. Why is it so hard????

Why would you have to think about it for more than 5 minutes??

[Chovexani]

76. The Daily Show did a hilarious thing on this

After the first debate, they sat down and "talked" with a bunch of undecided voters.

Well, actually Samantha Bee cussed them out...it was so damn funny..."How the **** do you people dress yourselves in the morning, WTF is wrong with you?!"

It was so cathartic. :)

[Raven]

79. This is a great way to get votes!

I don't think I'll copy this thread to the very few undecided friends that I have because it will definately send them over to Bush. What is wrong with you folks??? Why are you trashing these people??? Maybe they don't get to go on the internet like you do...maybe they are working too many jobs to keep up with politics...maybe they are really still thinking about this election...this is an example of how little respect some people here have of others, even people who don't necessarily disagree with them but who just haven't made up their minds yet. I certainly don't want you guys running my government...you are really intollerant and very obnoxious. If we win in November it will be in spite of this crap!

[Dancing_Dave]

80. THIS IS THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND!

Not the undecidables therapy center!

[JoFerret]

82. The so-called undecided are

are so tiresome so STFU

[goclark]

84. They are lonely and want attention

[MODemocrat]

85. Surprises me that they could find their way to the bathroom

If they're still "undecided" after all the exposure of both candidates
for months, they must not know what issues mean the most to them. For Pete's sake, one should never use a debate for their guidelines. Try searching the Internet, get involved with the political process. Do they or don't they support this war, tax cuts for the very rich, Do they like to work overtime, yet not get paid an overtime rate; Do they want their Social Security privatized. There are so many issues at stake here. I'm a party faithful, so I have no trouble deciding. Lucky me, I really believe John Kerry loves his country and will do what is right for all americans.

:hi: :eyes: