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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:29 PM
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New Zogby Poll - Bush Continues To Hold Slim Lead Over Kerry (46%-43%);
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=867

released: Sunday, Sept. 19

Bush approval rating: 47%

This is totally doable guys. Incumbents don't get re elected with approval ratings under 50%.

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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:30 PM
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1. That's right. Everyone work on those undecideds and get the vote out.
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 03:49 AM
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29. The media turned on Dean to show who was more powerful,
and they will not give Kerry the same breaks they give the bush coward and this does hurt, but will not stop Americans from getting control of America again. Don't look for any good reporting on Kerry, the bush coward will always be described as smelling like a rose, even when he is neck deep in shit fro Iraq,the economy, health care and every other issues facing concerned Americans today. However, we have the people , we have the issues, we have the right solutions to get American out of this current mess - and we must keep our side working together. Don't waste your time on ditto heads and right wing fanatics, work the people that you can reason with, let the ditto heads go, they are beyond help and only take valuable time away. There are a lot more reasonable people out there, talk with them quietly, let the others rant and rave , just work quietly and build up confidence. If the right wingers believe it is better to follow myths than face the harsh reality, so be it - we will just have to drag them along to peace and prosperity as we work to get America on the right track. Conservatives are to a healthy America as constipation is to the healthy human body, whenever it takes hold it blocks every thing up and causes a lot of pain, but in the end it will be flushed down the toilet.
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mconvente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:31 PM
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2. good news
I still can't believe that Bush maintains a lead when 43% say he is leading the country in the wrong direction!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:34 PM
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3. And if you buy these polls, I've got a pretzel story I'd like sell ya.
eom
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Nana Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:34 PM
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4. Is it just me..
Or do I see an error in the remarks...

"More than two in five of respondents say that the country is headed on the wrong track (43%), while half (50%) say the U.S. is on the right track."

It's reverse, right, according to the statisics on the page?

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:36 PM
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5. I can live with this...for now
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 05:37 PM by bluestateguy
Remarkably weak for an incumbent president. Unfortunately, the polls are all over the map.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:42 PM
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7. Yup - graphic of disparity
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 05:43 PM by shockingelk
Here's a graph of 10 polls, updated with the new Zogby poll - Flash, can't post here:

http://fearofclowns.com/text/net_difference_poll_results/

Note that they were all within 5 points of one another before the DNC convention.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:36 PM
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6. Margin of error is 3.1%
So this race could be tied. Glad Zogby isn't showing what some of the other polls are.
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:45 PM
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8. Karl Rove should be worried.
If these numbers mean anything, then it looks like Shrub is in trouble. His approval ratings are very low for an incumbent and undecideds break for the challenger.

Kerry needs to continue to try and separate Iraq from the war on terrorism. If he does this, I think it will be a Kerry landslide.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:47 PM
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9. hi ucla dem - welcome to du (if youre new of course!)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:50 PM
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10. And Rasmussen Tracking Poll is down to 1.7% lead for *
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 05:52 PM by A-Schwarzenegger
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:06 PM
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11. This is good news and ... reassuring!
The woes of the incumbent chimpster and his meniacle henchmen are encapsulated in this statement --

“The President’s barometric readings are still not great – net negatives on job performance, the country’s direction, and his re-elect – but the best that can be said for his 46% in the horse race is that it is still better than 43% for his challenger.”

That fucker's going DOWN!
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roooth Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:07 PM
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12. polls
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 06:09 PM by roooth
Gallup's numbers are bizarre, they ADMIT they skew to Repugs.
One of their bigwigs is a Repug. Their numbers are propaganda, they did the same thing at this point in 2000. In 2000, Karl Rove declared that Bush would sweep the Electoral College based on a gallup poll!

Check out TPM & Atrios for the big picture.

Also Daily Kos for a reality check on methodology.

But here's the scoop: NONE of these polls is taking new registrations into account. I am in Florida, I've been registering voters since May. I have personally registered over 1000 people. There are tens of thousands of NEW registrations in Florida who have not appeared in a single poll!

Polls do not call cell phones. How many young people only use cell phones now? They have not been polled.

Pollers call registered voters. That's people who have been on the polls since the last election. And, they call "likely" voters, that's people who register to vote and have voted - that means they've been on the polls since at least the last election.

Any idea how many registered voters are NOT being called?

Ask yourself, have you been polled? Do you know anyone who has?

This election will hinge on two things and two things only:

1. Who gets the most people to the polls.

2. Voter fraud.

If we take the fight to the polls and stop them from stealing our election again, we win.

If we get our people out, we win.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:12 PM
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13. IT'S IRAQ, STUPID!
Herein lies the chimp's downfall! Kerry must keep hammering on the sad perils in IRAQ. He leads among those who cite the war in Iraq as top issue (55% to 37%). As the truth continues to trickle in...and conditions worsen (tragically), our guy will continue to gain! Especially, as he will effectively link the probs to chimp's MISleadership and MISmanagement! And these probs have distracted us from the REAL war on terror.

YEA, Chimp's going DOWN!
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 08:54 AM
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31. I agree with you. That is why * numbers have come back up. The media
has all but been ignoring the war. Now it is so bad they can't anymore. I wonder if things might have gone a little better if more attention had been paid. This is so digusting.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:35 PM
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14. Keep Iraq in the news and forums
I posted this the other day but some may have missed it. I've had great luck in getting people informed about Iraq by posting the daily death count and referring them to www.icasualties.org on various forums. We have a group now that is dedicated to this daily notification.

It gives a daily accounting of the human loss of our troops and also gives the grisly details.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:42 PM
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15. areas to work on...
1. terrorism
2. democratic base
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:13 PM
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18. The terrorism part should be easy.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/09/con04387.html

This has a lovely graph we should be pasting everywhere.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:53 PM
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16. I hope everyone here at DU is signed up for the Zogby poll!
Mr. Zookeeper and I both are on their poll list.

Everyone should be able to sign up through the link that Ruggerson posted.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:08 PM
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17. It's highly doubtful it is that high. He probably has his usual 32% and
no more.
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theKnave Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:13 PM
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19. worthless
These polls are worthless. Unless they start crouching these polls in terms of electoral votes, the information is worthless. Kerry could have 40% rating in a popularity poll, but so long as he has 50.1% of electoral votes, he wins. forget calling 750 people across the nation. try calling 1000 voters in each state, then figure out how the electoral votes will fall. that will give you a better indicator of possible election results.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:20 PM
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20. "The human race is a sexually transmitted disease."
I gotta say, I've never heard that one before.
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theKnave Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:48 PM
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21. thanks
;-)
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:59 PM
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23. You are correct. And Zogby stopped contacting me every month.
Like he use to. Which leads me to believe he is not looking for as many liberal responses to his polls. Just like C-span can`t have a Repuke Democratic and Independent call in lines anymore. Like they did in the 8 years that Bill Clinton was our real elected President. Because too many GOPers were calling in bashing Bu$h. We know we cannot find fair and balanced on TV. Who the hell would think we could find it in the national polling? Not me.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:50 PM
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22. 46 + 43 = 89%
What happened to the other 11%? if we give Nader 2%, we still have 9% uncounted. Who gets that 9%?? :)
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:10 PM
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24. 6/10 to the challanger in the worst case, 7/10 in the best case
It would be a dead heat with the undecideds.
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txdude10 Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 10:10 PM
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25. Kerry-Edwards banners in Republican stronghold
I have always felt that the recent rash of polls by the mainstream media are meant to demoralize Democratic voters and discourage us from turning out to vote. Today, I saw with my own eyes that something different is going on at the grassroots.

I live in Collin County, Texas, a bastion of Republicanism in the Dallas metro area. I went to visit a friend of mine who lives in a very wealthy neighborhood in Denton, and I couldn't believe what I saw: four street blocks with most of the houses having Kerry-Edward signs on their lawns and no single Republican sign in sight.

This evening again as I was mowing my front lawn, three couples strolling by saw the Kerry signs on my lawn and car and asked where they could get theirs. Since I have a couple at home, I immediately gave them and we exchanged telephone numbers.

Another evidence: the opinion section of today's Dallas Morning News Sunday edition contains more letters critical of Bush than Kerry.

Ladies and gentlemen, don't let the mainstream media discourage you. There are many people out there--even those we would not normally expect to support Democrats--who are displeased with this administration. Let's redouble our efforts for Kerry. We are going to win this election.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 10:14 PM
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26. good news, what about the electorial count.
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 10:15 PM by okieinpain
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 02:08 AM
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27. But call them out on the faux polls
Let them know your thoughts about the GOP manufactured crap they've been pushing with the Gallop polls and that you'll be watching.

I have a link to a handy online email campaign here.
If you can, please take a minute of your time. The activist freepers certainly would.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x841166#844250
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study_war_no_more Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 02:15 AM
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28. is this one of those likely to vote pollls?
or real people planning to vote?
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:41 AM
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30. This is very good news. Zogby is a reliable pollster.
Some DUer posted, a few days ago, the fact that Harris and Zogby were the only two pollsters to really pay attention to. They do not have use the "Likely Voter" spiritual process to ramp up GOP bias.

Harris and Zogby have been within 1% in each of the last 3 presidential elections.

So this means we are back within striking distance. And we shall surely be striking at the rodents who run this misadministration.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:08 AM
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32. A look Back to 2000
Tracking poll: Bush holds on to advantage
October 27, 2000
Web posted at: 6:23 p.m. EDT (2223 GMT)

By CNN Polling Director Keating Holland





WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Today's CNN/USA Today/Gallup tracking poll continues to give George W. Bush an advantage over Vice President Al Gore.


http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/27/tracking.poll/


Polls don't poll those on cell phones. Poll don't count the thousands of new voters. Polls do not factor in the huge AB lead K/E have hear in IOWA.




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