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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:22 PM
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Rice says the world must stop Iran's nuclear intentions
WASHINGTON (AP)


With Iran stepping up its nuclear program, a top White House aide said Sunday the world finally is "worried and suspicious" over the Iranians' intentions and is determined not to let Tehran produce a nuclear weapon.

National security adviser Condoleezza Rice also said the U.S. administration sees a new international willingness to act against Iran's nuclear program. She credited the changed attitude to the Americans' insistence that Iran's effort put the world in peril.

She would not say whether the United States would act alone to end the program if the administration could not win international support. ..
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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:27 PM
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1. Be quiet Condi.
You have no availaable millitary and you lied your way into one war already. Go fishing while our millitary suffers from the damage you've already done.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:31 PM
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3. good advice Laura n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 06:14 PM
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19. LET'S INVADE IRAN NEXT=== RICE
I am speechless-- they are setting up the next War--- after they steal the election.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:53 PM
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24. No kidding... (pic)
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:17 PM
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25. Maybe before.. gotta make everyone think you don't need to change
drivers in the middle of a shitstorm! :puke:
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:31 PM
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2. who will stop ours ?
We seem to be the biggest threats to peace on the planet.
Hopefully she will be out of a job in 4 months.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:20 PM
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27. Good question amber dog dem...
Who will? What will it take to stop us? When will the world get tired of the bully formally known as the USofA?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:50 AM
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36. Don't worry. We'll end up stopping ourselves.
Its just a matter of time. I kind of see where we are headed. We are acting like the Roman Empire, after the end of the Triumverate and the ascension of Julius Caeser.
I see more colonial wars over energy and resources - given the present crowd in charge.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:34 PM
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4. R I G H T ! Condi you are such a ... Mullet!!!!
You have only a playground bully's interest at heart and you are so, so, so insecure.

Things are looking bad in Iraq...so CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!!!!!!!!

Condi, you are an IDIOT!

I hope that message was sent in the clear, I would have trouble making it anymore transparent.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:36 PM
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5. condi lost her street cred on Iraq...
As one cnn whore said about Kerry...condi has shot her wad.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:25 PM
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48. Thanks for the visual...
...of Condi shooting her wad.

:puke:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:39 PM
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6. No Condi, you dumbass, it's the intentions of the bush* administration
that have the frigging rest of the planet 'worried and suspicious'.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:41 PM
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7. Ducky, more "intentions"
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:47 PM
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8. Like anyone would even listen to her. <nt>
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saskatoon Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:54 PM
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10. something in the wind?
sounds like they have some plans on the table.I wonder.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:19 PM
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26. Haven't you learned anything?!?
They aren't ON the table, they are inside, next to, in their hands, but NOT on the table!

/sarcasm off
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:51 PM
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9. Iran has biz partnerships with Russia, Germany, France, etc.

Does the administration honestly believe Europe will idly stand by while U.S. paints Iran as our next Muslim domino?

Europe has huge construction projects and oil partnerships with Iran. This is not like with Iraq, when the UN sanctions cut off Iraq from international commerce and made Iraq a sitting duck for our aggressions.

I am skeptical Bush/Cheney truly want to invade Iran. They're just looking for enemies to keep the American people in the "us vs. them" mode. It worked for Hitler, they reason.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:21 PM
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28. I don't think these people CARE if they will or won't support them!
I'm sure they have some little black ops project sitting on the sidelines, say with Israel perhaps?, that will allow them to go toe-to-toe without actually 'appearing' to just outright invade!!
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AcesFull Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:04 PM
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47. Does the administration honestly believe
This is a joke right?

How can anything that comes after these words be credible to Europe, the American public...hell...themselves.
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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:57 PM
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11. This administration is so dumb that they can't even
wait until after the election to start talking about the next war they are planning. I hope this comes back to bite them.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:59 PM
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12. Personal Note To Condi: SHUT THE FUCK UP, WOMAN!!!
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:07 PM
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13. In the words of Saint Ronnie
There you go again...

They have got to be fucking kidding with this threat.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:15 PM
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14. Will we hear from cheney next week and will he tell us of a
big mushroom cloud? And then will the rest of jackals follow?
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:19 PM
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15. "Either you are for us, or against us" hmmm , sounds familiar.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:24 PM
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16. It's embarrassing for us all seeing her dragging herself to news shows
while she nervously spins the lies they've created.

I guess they imagine she's their best, or most innocent looking liar.

It's simply embarrassing, after all. As someone said in this thread, she lost her creds long ago. The very idea they are pushing her out to try to rev up interest in destroying yet another country is despicable.

Put a sock in it, Condi!
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:25 PM
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17. Does Condi need therapy?
She is starting to sound "obsessive-compulsive"!
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 10:34 AM
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41. She's already had it
Haven't you noticed the lobotomy scars on her forehead?
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lottie244 Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:56 PM
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18. NO...the world must stop US nuclear intentions.
We are the only ones to have ever used the nuclear bomb on civilians. And twice at that!!
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 06:22 PM
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20. No more wars before the election?
The White House itself is coming under heavy fire, some of it aimed at National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, whose passivity and lack of in-depth foreign-policy experience are being blamed for letting the hawks around Rumsfeld and Cheney manipulate the intelligence process and thus capture the policy initiative.
http://atimes01.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EI27Ak01.html

Further evidence that the Administration is now following what might be called the "No More War in '04" strategy was obtained last week when an unnamed senior official told a reporter that the North Koreans could "breath easy because we aren't going to do anything to them for fourteen months."
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=papers&code=03-D_34

Yes, it does seem that way, now doesn't it? And thank God for that. No more wars in '04 is how Karl Rove would prefer it, but the neocons never let an election get in the way of their favorite blood sport – especially if it's Arab blood being spilled.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j111703.html

Indeed, it was Rice herself who originally invented the axis of evil even if she didn't call them that.
She grouped the three countries as demanding special US attention, long before Bush labelled them as the axis of evil, even before Bush became President.
In an essay in the journal Foreign Affairs in 2000, Rice cited Iraq, Iran and North Korea as three nations - the only three - whose behaviour needed to be modified by US policy.
Rice, Bush's foreign policy tutor, his closest adviser and an intimate of the presidential family in a way no other administration aide even begins to approach, is not going to forget Iran and North Korea.
And Iran and North Korea are not going to forget the Bush White House. North Korea claims that it reinstated its nuclear weapons program only in response to the threat of US attack implicit in the "axis of evil" speech and the invasion of Iraq.
http://afr.com/articles/2003/07/10/1057783288078.html

“A Black snake will bite you just the same as a White snake."
-- US Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall
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nonbelief Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 06:50 PM
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21. Here's a good start....

Force Israel to dismantle its nuclear arsenal, which threatens Iran...Then get the neo-cons to stop threatening to march on Tehran...then maybe Iran will stop trying to build a nuclear deterrant
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:11 PM
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22. perhaps we could have helped with that
had we not bogged ourselves down in a hopeless quagmire in iraq for very little purpose.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:20 PM
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23. Or if we hadn't shown that we attack those without nukes (Iraq),
and back down from those that do (N. Korea). Great lesson to teach the world, * assholes.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:19 PM
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29. Same old song and dance...where are the mushroom clouds POS
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:22 PM
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30. World to Rice: Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice...we won't get fooled again.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:29 PM
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31. I saw Condi on TV this morning
In regards to Iran, she kept referring to the "world community" and how the "world community" wouldn't let Iran build nukes. Oh, we all know the concern the Bushies have for the "world community."

She's actually quite a talented spinmeister, looking and sounding like a sincere and intelligent black woman whose sole interest is the security of America. But if you're well-informed and know how to deconstruct her rhetoric and assertions, the inherent mendacity of her position becomes apparent.

She's a tool for the Bush administration -- a machine that deals in lies, death, and the concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a power elite that is a bigger threat to our democracy than any outside terrorist organization.

Hyperbole on my part?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:48 PM
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34. "Hyperbole on my part?" (not) you are much too kind in your description
She is really an evil witch

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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:32 PM
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32. Dear God in heaven,
here they go again!

Nov. 2nd, hurry up and get here. Get these monsters out of our White House and into jail where they belong.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:35 PM
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33. Better yet...The World needs to stop Cheney's nuclear arsenal!!!
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:24 PM
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35. Bush is an idiot.
Maybe he shouldn't have used "idiot diplomacy" in his 2002 SOTU. Is there some precedent for a president singling out problem countries and threatening them in the SOTU? Bush put Iran in an Axis of Evil.

Great. Really smart. We didn't know Iraq was a problem, Junior. Thanks for clearing that up.

But now Iran and North Korea are using that as an excuse to pursue nuclear defenses. And America got out of it...exactly what?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:54 AM
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37. Hubris and Bush’s War Strategy
Hubris and Bush’s War Strategy

David Alan Black

It gives me no pleasure to say it, but it appears that our President has thrown all semblance of humility out the window. Hubris is the watchword of the day, with arrogance and pride running a close second and third.

Hubris is one of those wonderful Greek words that captures a thought better than any English counterpart ever could. According to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, it means: “Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance: ‘There is no safety in unlimited technological hubris’ (McGeorge Bundy); excessive pride, wanton violence.”
(snip)
The resolution by Congress to give the President a semblance of legitimacy in pursuing a unilateral aggressive war will surely be remembered as one of the worst abdications of Congressional responsibility in our history, comparable to such colossal failures of government as the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. Years from now, with Americans pinned down in a pan-Arab war, the neocons will be regretful, and the liberals in Congress who allowed themselves to be duped will feel like fools.

Such is the price of hubris. In 1999 Candidate Bush said, “Let us not dominate others with our power. ... Let us have an American foreign policy that reflects American character. The modesty of true strength. The humility of real greatness. This is the strong heart of America. And this will be the spirit of my administration.” Later, in the presidential debates, he expanded on the theme: “The United States must be humble. ... We must be proud and confident of our values, but humble in how we treat nations that are figuring out how to chart their own course.”
(snip)
http://www.daveblackonline.com/american_hubris_and_aggressive_w.htm

The lines like:

liberals in Congress who allowed themselves to be duped will feel like fools.

Just shows how a rigid desire in belief makes people people ignore the facts of even their own lessons while they want to be teaching them.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:04 AM
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38. Pssst. Condi. The Clue Phone is Ringing for You
You have not one shred of credibility. No one believes what you say. No one is listening to you. Everyone is laughing at you. Go away and make yourself very small.

Thank you.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 11:42 AM
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43. I am wondering what planet she is on, She takes the cake.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 12:00 PM
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44. Ummmm Condi "the world" is more worried about us right now
PCIK UP THE DAMNED PHONE!!!
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 10:17 AM
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39. Iran doesn't bother me
What bothers me is the TENS of THOUSANDS of warheads at the disposal of the US and Russia, enough to make all the major cities in world disappear in flames several times over.

So what if Iran gets a nuke or three? Their main motivation is to counter the Israeli nukes.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 10:33 AM
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40. With what?
With our vast supply of international support? With our clout and credibility in the Arab world? With the masses of volunteers to join the military to spend tour after tour after tour overseas without relief and dwindling supplies? I know, Condi's going to take care of it all by herself. Yeah, right, that should be interesting to watch.
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 10:51 AM
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42. "world community"
Sorry Condi, but the strong community spirit felt towards the US after 9/11 isn't there anymore and you're fooling nobody by trying to make out that the 'world community' gives a sh1t about irans nuclear capability.

Here we go again, the US using its present powerbase in Iraq to remove more threats to Israel. Maybe if america was also trying to remove Israels nuclear capability? Oh yeah, sorry, that would be levelling the playing field and when has fair play ever come into republican foreign policy.

Tripmann
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 03:41 PM
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45. Condi speaking for "the world"
Nice to know that somebody has been elected to speak for the entire world. Who would've guessed that it's BushCo? Just ask 'em.:)

Gyre
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Bogus W Potus Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:04 PM
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46. The threat is severely overrated
Even if Iran does manage to acquire nuclear weapons, Iran would not dare threaten us. We have superior firepower and they know what would be in store for them if they did. We have nothing to fear from Iran as long as we don't muddle in their affairs, and that's a BIG if.
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