Abu Ghraib Victims Speak

[floda]

More sadistic "Graner" horror. :mad: :mad: :mad:

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"He then started pushing me," al-Radi said. "And wherever he saw a wall, he would hit me against it. Wherever there's a door, he would push me and hit me against it."

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Abbas thinks Graner singled him out for special treatment because he has a badly defective left hand. He'd had surgery on it two weeks before his arrest and was awaiting a second operation.

Every day, Abbas said, "He made me put my hand out in the cell bars and would stomp with his boots on this hand."

His doctor now says Abbas' hand can never be repaired.

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What was done to him has had a terrible effect, he said. He had become engaged to be married just four days before he was arrested, but broke it off immediately after he was released from prison.

"For me to commit to a woman, I will need to be truthful to my other half," al-Radi said. "I feel that something is missing inside me. How can I say any of this to my wife? I am sure she will lose all respect toward me."


much more....



http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Nightline/World/abu_ghraib_witnesses_040808-1.html

[jeff30997]

1. I wonder what that scumbag will say to his kids...

When they ask him "Daddy what did you do in Iraq?":grr:

[saigon68]

2. THE PRISON GUARD PART OF GRANER

Told his soul it would be all right to make the prisoners "PISS THEMSELVES"

There's a lot of thugs and HOODLUMS still in the service like Graner-

-- They just haven't been caught YET

[grytpype]

6. But don't forget, GRANER is a CHRISTIAN!

So that makes it OK!

Send us more CHRISTIANS like that!

[saigon68]

10. THAT WAS THE QUOTE EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Chris=tian part of him felt bad---BUT THE PRISON GUARD IN HIM------etc etc etc.

[salin]

3. this doesn't read well... per Iraqi public sentiment towards the US

here is someone who was imprisoned, and tortured at Abu Ghraib both under Saddam and then under the US. While the torture results (scars on the body) are similar - he sears in on the 'immoral' behaviors (the nudity and embarassment, etc.) The US public - not noted for cultural awareness or empathy - really does not get how serious these revelations are in terms of local response/read/reaction.

‘Immoral Practices’ Under U.S., Not Saddam

Saddam Saleh al-Radi, a former Abu Ghraib detainee, has a unique perspective: He was jailed in Abu Ghraib twice — the first time for trying to overthrow Saddam Hussein in the mid-1990s.

"What U.S. forces did to me, Saddam Hussein himself did not do," al-Radi said through a translator. "During Saddam Hussein's time, we used to be tortured. The scars from the torture I received during the previous regime still mark parts of my body. But I was never forced into nudity. There were never any immoral practices during Saddam Hussein's regime."

I fear that as long as the current govt is viewed as US puppets (and the adopted constitution grants a great deal of continued power to the US - so that perception of puppets is fueled) there will be no peace, no healing for the people of Iraq, no real growth towards demcracy, and an increasing dangerous situation on the ground for the troops sent by W into a US policy created quagmire.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. This is the big difference between Saddam and Bu$h

"During Saddam Hussein's time, we used to be tortured. The scars from the torture I received during the previous regime still mark parts of my body. But I was never forced into nudity. There were never any immoral practices during Saddam Hussein's regime."

Bu$h not only tortures the Iraqis, he forces them to commit acts that they consider grievous sins. Bu$h is such a good christian.

[TahitiNut]

4. Identical to concentration camp guards in WW2 Germany.

Identical.

[Roon]

5. Gawd!

Americans don't behave like this! Stomping on someone's disabled hand? This is the sickest thing I have heard in a long time. I need to go throw up.

[DulceDecorum]

7. Ann Coulter says:

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20010914.shtml

U.S. Bombing Watch:
Archive of U.S. Bombings, Invasions and Occupations of Iraq
http://www.ccmep.org/usbombingwatch/2003.htm

Admittedly, Republicans were not mourning the deaths of Odai and Qusai the way Democrats were, but only a moron would think that killing these two monsters would mark the end of the war on terrorism. Normandy didn't end World War II. That didn't make it a failure. MacArthur was still in Tokyo straightening out Japan in 1950 – five years after V-J Day. Not only was Japan an advanced and ethnically unified country, but U.S. forces also made things easier for MacArthur by killing several million of the most militant anti-American Japanese during World War II. Paul Bremer doesn't have this advantage in Iraq. In fact, he has the reverse situation: Saddam killed the most pro-American Iraqis before the war.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20030828.shtml

But you'd have to put liberals in Abu Ghraib to get them to tell the truth about what people were saying before the war – and then the problem would be that most liberals would enjoy those activities. (No torture has yet been devised that could get a liberal to mention the poor, beleaguered Kurds dancing in the streets because Saddam is gone.)
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20040603.shtml

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty.We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright traitors."
-- Ann Coulter, CPAC convention, February 2002

The US armed forces are facing fresh embarrassment after it emerged that a military police officer at Guantanamo Bay suffered head injuries when he was beaten up by trainee soldiers as he posed as a detainee.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/11/wguan11.xml

An Iraqi TV reporter Suhaib Badr-Addin al-Baz saw the Abu Ghraib children’s wing when he was arrested by Americans while making a documentary. He spent 74 days in Abu Ghraib.
“I saw a camp for children there,” he said. “Boys, under the age of puberty. There were certainly hundreds of children in this camp.” Al-Baz said he heard a 12-year-old girl crying. Her brother was also held in the jail. One night guards came into her cell. “She was beaten,” said al-Baz. “I heard her call out, ‘They have undressed me. They have poured water over me.’”
He says he heard her cries and whimpering daily – this, in turn, caused other prisoners to cry as they listened to her. Al-Baz also told of an ill 15-year-old boy who was soaked repeatedly with hoses until he collapsed. Guards then brought in the child’s father with a hood over his head. The boy collapsed again.
Although most of the children are held in US custody, the Sunday Herald has established that some are held by the British Army. British soldiers tend to arrest children in towns like Basra, which are under UK control, then hand the youngsters over to the Americans who interrogate them and detain them.
Between January and May this year the Red Cross registered a total of 107 juveniles in detention during 19 visits to six coalition prisons. The aid organisation’s Rana Sidani said they had no complete information about the ages of those detained, or how they had been treated. The deteriorating security situation has prevented the Red Cross visiting all detention centres.
Amnesty International is outraged by the detention of children. It is aware of “numerous human rights violations against Iraqi juveniles, including detentions, torture and ill-treatment, and killings”. Amnesty has interviewed former detainees who say they’ve seen boys as young as 10 in Abu Ghraib.
http://www.sundayherald.com/43796

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it! It's yours.'"
-- Ann Coulter, Hannity & Colmes,June 20, 2001

[Fovea]

9. More and more lately

I understand the insurgents have become the general populace.
Iraq has become Afghanistan, not a governable nation, but a collection of warlords and brigands.

And it is all our fault in Iraq. Gods spare us all from this blowback.
The Imperial Hubris will be not just our undoing, but the world's.