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CShine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:53 PM
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A perfect storm of issue films
For months "Fahrenheit 9/11" has been a subject of heated discussions in op-eds and talkshows, but it isn't the only documentary (a term that applies here in its broadest sense) to tap into today's political anxieties. Several other "impressionistic" documentaries, all with a dissident touch, are in theaters or on their way. They include "Control Room," about the Al Jazeera TV network; "The Corporation," a look at corporate policies and everyday American life; and "The Hunting of the President," which asks whether there was a vast conspiracy - or a series of little ones - to destroy the Clinton administration. Nonfiction films have been growing in popularity of late, but this season's batch is joining a chorus of already raised voices. Some observers see a renewed interest in political ferment in today's media, extending from bestselling books on the Bush administration by journalist Bob Woodward, to the strongest flood of protest songs in 30 years, to the rise of talk radio on both the left and the right.

"Popular culture is embracing politics in a way it hasn't since the 1960s," says Joel Bakan, cowriter of "The Corporation" and author of the Free Press book on which that movie is based.

More of what one newspaper labels "docs populi" are imminent. (As with most films labeled "documentaries," filmmaker objectivity isn't necessarily implied.) "The Yes Men" depicts pranks by an anticorporate group. "Metallica: Some Kind of Monster" touches on the rock band's lawsuit against Napster musicsharing. "Howard Zinn: You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train" profiles a renowned historian and peace activist. "Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War," opening in theaters in August, has already sold a reported 100,000 video copies on the Web. Some of these movies are debuting at the annual Human Rights Watch Film Festival, celebrating its 15th anniversary of political programming this month at the Lincoln Center here. And expect even more activist fare in cinemas if any of these films approaches the unprecedented $21.5 million take of Moore's 2002 movie, "Bowling for Columbine," or the $6.2 million gross of current release "Super Size Me," in which a filmmaker eats nothing but McDonald's products for a month to see if his McDiet will make him fatter. (It does.)

Perhaps it's not surprising that there's a hunger for movies with a strong point of view, given the huge sales of books by Ann Coulter, Al Franken, and other politically passionate pundits. Michael Moore's most recent book, "Stupid White Men," has been a bestseller for more than two years.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0618/p13s02-almo.html
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:55 PM
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 12:54 AM
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2. They're citing Mettallicca v Napster?
The members of that band must actually believe that they were poor, defenseless rock stars being oppressed by a giant behemoth of a financial empire, which just happened to be commanded by evil genius Shawn Fanning from his dorm room.

They seriously need to switch brands to LSD Lite.

--bkl
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 01:46 AM
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3. Metallica has every right
If you wrote those songs you'd want to have control over them too. It's not an issue of money, it's an issue of setting a bad precedent with their property. They should have the right to choose where and when to distribute it.

We have an entire generation of people who now believe that music has no monetary worth. As a musician trying to survive, I really get confused by statements like yours.

Does music have no value to you?

-eeyore
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 01:49 AM
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4. Please ....horse and buggy analogy
Metallica can earn money by touring the way other bands do. Can you prove it isn't about the money?
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 01:56 AM
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5. You're right, they can.
Edited on Fri Jun-18-04 01:57 AM by eeyore
But it doesn't matter. The fact is that file sharing is stealing. It's not the same as taping a friend's record - you're sharing near replicas of the originals.

I can't prove it's not about the money, but that shouldn't matter at all. They own it (or at least their part of it), and they have every right to protect it.

I've had people come up to me and say, "dude, i loved you record so much i copied it for a bunch of friends."

thanks, i guess.

people just place no monetary value on the artistry of music anymore. it sucks.



edit for clarity
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 02:06 AM
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6. LARS: "My music is the currency. My music is the currency." kaching!
here's a piece about the Metallica/Napster saga I contributed some years back to a strange cutup project at droplift.org ...

http://www.droplift.org/bonus.html

click on the "Copyright (Give it Away)" and away you go.

LARS: "Sell it. Sell it. Sell it."
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 02:24 AM
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7. It's his fucking property
He can do with it as he chooses. And if he wants to be greedy that's his right. He created it, so he can do what he wants. And what he's fighting for is the ability to have control over his own property. I don't understand why people don't get this.

What he's really doing is ruining his career by appearing greedy to his fans.

I know, file sharing is just a fact of life now, and they should just get over it. But there are services where independent musicians pay 30 bucks a year per song to get them to show up in file sharing searches. That means that musicians are paying for the privelege of having people take their songs for free. That's how fucked up things are these days.

You can say that it doesn't really hurt Metallica, and that is probably true. But what happens is that people begin to think that all music should just be free. Records cost thousands of dollars to make. How are artists and small labels supposed to make their money back if people won't buy their records?
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 02:32 AM
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8. Oh yes, I agree. I'm going to go door to door and berate filesharers.
Its part of a new RIAA outreach program.
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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:52 AM
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10. I agree....
As a musician (not really trying ot make a living out of it) it burns me no end to see other musicians get ripped off of one of the ways of making a living. Do I have some downloaded songs? You bet. Were they free to download as per the artists wishes? You bet. Other songs I want I go and buy them.
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Citizen Daryl Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:33 AM
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15. A FELLOW SNUGGLER!
I didn't contribute to the "Droplift Project", but I did submit a track for "Dictionaraoke" and "Free Speech For Sale".

Small freaking woild.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 10:54 AM
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17. He was a little dog named Snuggles. A little dog named Snuggles.
Edited on Fri Jun-18-04 11:08 AM by thebigidea
That's the letter U and the numeral 2!
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rppper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 06:09 AM
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12. metallica were probably the worst ones to pull the bs they pulled....
...after all, early on in their careers, they were encouraging fans to make pirate recordings of their concerts and pirate recordings of their albums....kind of a stick it to the man move. i can't cite a link now, but i am quite sure if you re-visit some old rolling stone, hit parader or kerrang magazines, you will find the quote from none other than lars himself.

personally, i hope i see a day when they are opening for molly hatchet....it would serve them right

there are some great flash videos out about mettalica at http://www.campchaos.com .
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:38 AM
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16. You got that right! :-)
I remember their early days (Metallica) during the 80s. The put out this super B rated video "Cliff em' All" celebrating the life of their first bass player who was killed in a bus crash.

Metallica is now a band who's a paragon of hypocrisy. They said in Cliff's video that they'd never "sell out." Well, Cliff must be rolling over in his grave. Metallica went selfish, corporate and sold out on their original fans in a big way.

Besides, every CD from "And Justice for All" on lacks creativity and has a distinct "mainstream" format, i.e., beginning, chorus, middle, chorus and ending).
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:32 AM
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21. Sharing is Sharing
Once upon a time in America, there was this great thing called music radio. Throughout the day, you'd hear different disc jockeys select and play music they thought was great and thought other people would think is great, too.

Record labels liked it cause it gave their bands exposure. Bands liked it because it gave them exposure. Audiences liked it because it exposed them to new music.

Then came the 1980s when radio formats tightened concurrently with record label promotional budgets. Disc jockeys no longer decided what would get played; instead, music directors and program directors decided what new music would get played, based on the amount of label "support" a record would get. Support could mean anything from an MTV clip in hot rotation, to cross-format promotion, to a ad buy, to a free show, etc.. etc.. Bottom line, however much money a label was willing to put up to promote a record determined how much airwave exposure a song or a band would have.

Smart working musicians know that and that's why the majority of those who understand the true nature of the beast have no problem with file sharing. They know that if someone hears something they really like, they just might buy the album, or, EVEN BETTER, go to the live show (artists generally make a better % from their live shows, because there are no royalties to be split up).

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:36 AM
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23. Best avatar I've seen yet - absolutely prize winning
Winnie the pooh grabs my heart!
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:19 AM
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14. Metallica has NO right ...
Metallica has NO right to entrepreneurially write new law.

Far from making good-faith efforts to collect royalties from their works, they set out to use intimidation from the beginning. The effort to collect money by threat of force rather than negotiated payment from downloaders and/or ISPs casts grave doubt on their ethical sincerity. And the well-established fact that they were acting as agents for their recording and distribution companies and the RIAA drives another stake into the heart of their cries of financial suffering.

Yes, it is about money. Never before in history have artists had the luxury of determining who would enjoy their art and under what circumstances. They accepted -- craved! -- that their works would find as wide an audience as possible, and that they would develop ways to receive money for it.

We have an entire generation who now believe, not that music has no monetary worth, but that anyone with enough power can get anything they want simply by declaring a new law and paying to enforce it. If they pay less than they collect, they make a profit.

In addition, having experienced the threat of random arrest and extortion by the recording companies using the state's police powers, this generation has been made aware that they have no effective rights whatsoever when they stand in the way of a dollar.

Music, indeed, has value to me. Monetary value as well -- I have spent well over $15,000 since 1980 on music, nearly 30% of that since the beginning of on-line music trading. In fact, it might have more value to me than to most musicians, since I have lost most of my hearing, and still continue to collect music. Collect it, and pay for it. Not only recorded music, but sheet music, as well.

Music is a part of human culture, and the music industry can not expect the psychological drives which fill their bank accounts to be under their precise control. It is up to them to create ways to profit from the mania for music, not to cry "oppression!" and insist that force of arms be used to pay them to their satisfaction.

Just as public libraries have not destroyed or devalued literature, downloaded music has not reduced the profitability (or lack of profitability) of music. However, by taking aggressive legal action against children and young people who often have no way to defend themselves in court, the music industry has proven that it will stop at nothing short of extortion to enrich itself.

If musicians want to be paid for their efforts, they should stop relying on record companies to play gorilla pimp for their wares by "giving" them a recording contract. The independent music industry has much more potential profitability at lower cost for both musicians and their audiences, profitability without legal threat.

In fact, right now, the opportunity for making money from music has never been better, more diversified, or richer -- and with less exploitation. The "gotta-get-a-contract" syndrome has been broken by the low cost of recording music digitally, and the same Internet which Metallica and the RIAA seek to strangle makes mass marketing a straightforward and low-cost proposition. Today's musician should neither desire nor accept a space at the bosom of the major recording companies. They should establish their fan bases and then set the terms for the recording companies to compete for their "products" -- and not threaten their fans to pay up or get out.

If you value music AND freedom, you would do well to question the Faustian deals that many of your fellow musicians have undersigned. Profit in music doesn't have to be made by rigid enforcement of mechanical royalty collection, and freedom can enrich both the artist and his/her audience.

--bkl
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:29 AM
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20. BKL----I think I love you!
This is the best post I have read about this issue, and it's been discussed at length on this board.

You are RIGHT ON!
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 12:07 PM
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24. I agree with most of what you say here
Metallica is not suffering financially, and yes they are acting like corporate assholes. Unfortunately, they have every right to try to protect their intellectual property any way they see fit. It doesn't mean that they will be successful in doing so, or that history will look kindly upon them for having done so, but they have the right to try. That's my main point - they own it, and they have a right to try to protect it.

It get the same feeling from The Who, one of my favorite bands of all time. Pete Townsend seems to be on a jag to make as much money as he can by licensing their songs to massive corporations for commericials. He gets a lot of criticism for it, and I saw a quote from him responding to the critics.

Pete says, "It's me fucking song, and I'll do whatever I fucking choose with it!"

Yeah, Pete is right, but that doesn't mean I'm happy about his decision, and it does tarnish his legacy a bit for me.

Honestly, I've never been a big Metallica fan, but I do respect their right to be greedy within the constraints of the law. Obviously, going after individual file sharers is not the best way to fix the problem. It really is the fault of the major record labels for not understanding the situation from the beginning, and it is their problem to fix it. And in no way do I feel sorry for them. For decades they have been screwing both artists and fans alike, and there is a bit of "Instant Karma" at play here.

I agree that musicians should stop relying on the major record labels to pimp their wares, but it's not that simple. We live in an age where all of the power has been so consolidated that if you want your music to be heard by as many people as possible, you are almost forced to align yourself with the powers that be.

Clearchannel and their ilk have taken over the airwaves to a strangling point. If you want to be heard on the radio nationally, you need to be signed to one of the labels that they have money changing relationships with. All of the major label companies are just subsidiaries of media conglomerates, and the effect is that artists not affiliated with the major labels don't stand much of a chance in being played on the radio, booked on tv shows, or having songs placed in movies.

You said: "Today's musician should neither desire nor accept a space at the bosom of the major recording companies. They should establish their fan bases and then set the terms for the recording companies to compete for their "products" -- and not threaten their fans to pay up or get out."

Basically, for the up and coming artist, the message is pretty clear. If you ever want your music to be heard by a national audience, you will have to align yourself in some way with a major label - essentially the mafia. Unfortunately there currently isn't any way around it.

Hell, even indie darlings like The White Stripes work with the majors. Jack White, however, managed to create a massive bidding war, and came away with unprecedented control over his music. That's the way to do it!

The whole commerce model of music has changed, and no one knows where it's going. Hopefully it will go in the direction of giving more control to the creators of the art, not the accountants. But if the accountants are cut out of the loop the musicians then must become accountants as well.

Indeed, the wheels have fallen off of the cart.

-eeyore


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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 02:27 PM
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25. Back to the Music! (warning -- long and dense rant!)
There's a common idea in our legalistic society -- if the law provides for it, it's virtuous to do it.

And furthermore, any attempt to go back is just wrong. So a "natural law" gets enacted rectroactively, and we get a new Eternal Value to embrace.

Which is killing our ability to function in society without lawyering.

Since we have a statutory system for intellectual property, there's a financial incentive to persuade people that they have a right to something that, after all, was only granted by a specialized law. So instead of the right being, "You, the Creator, have the right to profit from your creation," it becomes, "You, the Creator, have the right to coin legal tender through the agency of your Creation." And that's extreeeeemly tricky.

The law currently states (if I'm current in my reading) that a song has a statutory mechanical royalty of 7.5 cents for the phonographic right and 7.5 cents for the copyright. $0.15 a song. The state says that your music is fungible (tradable) like currency, but only on the first transaction; the license itself is assumed to have value, so you can sell it, or surrender it under contract (which is the whole idea). Any and all duplication is declared to be a form of counterfeiting, which we now call piracy, although piracy has long been defined as a form of kidnap plus grand theft.

So the private individual now has the ability to act like a mini-government and enforce its pseudo-currency law, and call the state in as its enforcer. Since that requires an attorney, in practice, the individual artist can't usually do that.

The problem isn't with royalties as compensation. The problem is with the application of remedies for loss. The law gives the privilege to the artist, but the artist's remedies are not limited. Supposedly they are, but the legal concept of "counting" -- as in "1000 counts of larceny" -- has made that meaningless. It is now legally permissable in some cases and jurisdictions to use lethal force against a child clutching a copy of your record.

Yes, the real-life lawyers here will rightly try to take me to the mat on that assertion, but I am well aware that shoot-on-sight intruder defense laws are many and untested. And it's going to take a body.

Sound silly? Sure! But the process of "pushing the limits" is now a key business practice. When the RIAA acts to sue a learning-disabled 12-year-old child and her grandmother, breaks them in court, and humiliates the child in public, the limit has been pushed far beyond the fifteen-cent mechanical royalty!

It's not silly when you consider, with all the limits being tested by lawyers these days, that the simplest of acts are now felonies. Felonies! A company which owns a piece of intellectual property can call the cops in on an unlicensed user as if s/he was a thief, even without establishing motive, intent, capacity, and the traditional criteria required to prosecute a felony!

In fact, in order to keep one's intellectual property rights, one MUST make the effort to enforce them. You can figure out how THAT atrocity got written, can't you?

I know, the past few hundred words probably reads like something a psychotic would mutter when the meds wore off (and the next few hundred will, too), but that's one of the reasons why corporate law pays so well. It has licensed a sector of the business community to exploit artists by contracting as their enforcement agent (and remember, enforcement is compulsory), using public money to prosecute the "neo-crime," and legally extort the consumer for reasons that may not even have existed at the time of the "crime"! So everybody pays.

As an artist, you're probably aware of how bleak the situation is for small bands, right? Even if you, eeyore, are really Bruce Springsteen posting under an alias, you're probably keenly aware of how much of your ass was owned for the first 5-7 years of your career. It's why Prince changed his name to TAFKAP, why George Michael didn't record for years, and why nearly all small bands who "get contracts" leave music with huge debts to the companies they worked for. The modern Contract, held to be sacred by most Americans AND most people in the world in general, is no longer a ceremonial agreement between peers, but the instrument of our modern bondage.

The more natural system would avoid all that. Artists would be entrepreneurs and work with businesses to develop opportunities for making money -- concerts, swag, tie-ins, broadcast performances, etc. Copyright would be a licensing vehicle for dealing with broadcasters and merchandisers, not a club to hit fans over the head with. Individuals would not have to pay for the music as an end-product (though many would); it's not even that profitable today compared to concert revenue. Businesses along the way would pay for the right to represent the artist in the market, and the artist would keep control of the revenue stream AND art. Since it is no longer necessary to pay over $500,000 for a (low-end) professional recording studio or $250 an hour for the services of one, the majors would be business agents which would have to compete for your business, not the "gorilla pimps" they are today.

A just-so fantasy, right? You've heard it before with Linux, and so on? Well, independent music is already profitable. But don't take my word for it -- take Ms. Righteous Babe herself, Ani DiFranco. "Radical" music, like the Dead Kennedys, has always depended on alternative business organizations. Trance, house, twee, emo, and other so-called fringe genres are likewise at work. And a lot of "vintage" acts are still making a good living while ignoring most or all of the rock-n-roll juggernaut -- The Association, The Turtles, and Shelby Flint, among others.

You have a right to make a living from music. If you're good, you have a right to get rich from your music. Depending on an archaic, extortionate system to enrich you isn't merely unethical, it has already become unprofitable. I personally just don't buy "major" music these days -- there is too much good free indy stuff available on-line, and when I really flip over a band, I send them ten or fifteen bucks for their CD. They won't get rich off of me, but when the new business community grows around them, when I have investment money, I will make sure part of it is invested in music and the other arts.

Plus ... today Music, tomorrow Cinema.

Y'know, I write pretty good songs, and while I look ridiculous in Spandex, the world is changing. There's no reason why an aging, 90% deaf punk rock dude like me can't have a big old stinkin' hit record. Sure, I'll copyright it, but you won't catch me shaking down my fans. Where there's a young, idealistic lawyer, there's a way to "enforce my rights" without preying on my fans.

The old system is dying, and there's no onus on anyone who gives it a push and a swift kick in the kidneys. Downloading will require some soul-searching for many people, and many people still won't do it, but so many tiny acts have been helped by downloading that I'm surprised it wasn't embraced from the day Shawn Fanning started writing code. (But that's another long post!)

The entertainment companies are working overtime to convince us that their profits are holy and sacred, but those profits have been made through a series of sanctified crimes. The "next phase" is to convince Lars and James and the boys to get on the bandwagon and turn Rock and Roll back into the active, vital grass-roots economy it should have been since 1953.

The only loss will be the guaranteed 15 cents per song per sucker; the gain will be a society that quickly becomes musically (and artistically) literate, appreciative, and creative. The artists and the suits won't be at war, but work together for maximum exposure at minimum cost and build a business that allows the musician to concentrate on the music for, hopefully, decades. And, oh yeah, there will be plenty of opportunity for wealth and fame -- and without the concentration of power sucking capital out of the hides of artists and their fans, prices will fall and the music will increase.

Sounds like rock-n-roll to me!

--bkl
And furthermore, if elected, I promise to ...
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 02:32 PM
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26. By the way --
Thanks, eeyore -- that double "rant" was long in the making, and you gave me a golden opportunity to spin it out. I pushed, you pushed back, and the deed got done. Couldn't've done it without ya!

I hope you and your bandmates become part of the vanguard of the new financial AND artistic world of music -- and can make lives making music.

--bkl
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:10 AM
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19. I'd Wait for the Film
to see which way it goes.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 05:40 AM
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9. Move over Ken Burns--you're not the only great documentarian ... eom
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 06:02 AM
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11. We must now rely upon filmmakers, and then PAY to see news..
In days past, this is all stuff that we would have known about during the regular dissemination of news..

BUT...we now have such censored/sanitized/slanted news, that if anyone is ever going to find out about what's really going on, we must wait to buy the book or a movie ticket..

Of course, poor people who cannot afford those things are just SOL..as are people who live in very small communities..
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 06:12 AM
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13. That's why
Take Back the Media has been kicking the videos out all this time.. we're up to more than 40 now..

here's my latest - Mourning FOR AMerica

http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/
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uptown ruler Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:00 AM
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18. takebackthemedia
yes, their flash videos are excellent!


Spread the Word
CausePimpingThePeopleAin’tEasy
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:34 AM
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22. You're jammin' me
You got me in a corner
You got me against the wall
I got nowhere to go
I got nowhere to fall

Take back your insurance
Baby nothin's guaranteed
Take back your acid rain
Baby let your T.V. bleed

You're jammin' me, you're jammin' me ,
Quit jammin' me
Baby you can keep me painted in a corner
You can look away, but it's not over

Take back your angry slander
Take back your pension plan
Take back your ups and downs of your life
In raisin-land

Tak e back Vanessa Redgrave
Take back Joe Piscopo
Take back Eddie Murphy
Giv'em all some place to go

You're jammin' me, you're jammin' me
Quit jammin' me
Baby you can keep me painted in a corner
You can walk away but it's not over

Take back your Iranian torture
And the apple in young Steve's eye
Yeah take back your losing streak
Check your front wheel drive

Take back Pasadena
Take back El Salvador
Take back that country club
They're tryin' to build outside my door

Petty
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:11 AM
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27. Actress in Guantanamo protest
BRITISH actress Vanessa Redgrave, who campaigns for prisoners at the US detention centre in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, today denounced alleged torture at the jail and demanded the repatriation of the inmates.

Ms Redgrave was speaking in the town of Venissieux, France, home to two of the prisoners held at the centre.

"The health and detention conditions at the Guantanamo base are a genuine reason for urgency," she said in French after meeting relatives of the detainees, Mourad Benchelalli and Nizar Sassi.
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