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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:37 AM
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BBC: Iraq Handover of Power a hoax
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3660389.stm

Humvees more telling than handover


Last Updated: Tuesday, 27 April, 2004, 09:28 GMT 10:28 UK

By Paul Reynolds
BBC News Online world affairs correspondent

---snip---

The Interim Government will be politically very weak. It will not have sovereign powers, despite being described as "fully sovereign" in the law which is setting it up.

---snip---

The limitations of the interim government are as follows:

It will be appointed not elected

It will have no powers to make laws

Laws and rules already made by the Coalition will remain in force

It will probably not have controlling power over the Coalition forces which after 30 June will become the "multi-national force"

---snip---

The Humvee indicator

A telling detail about the actual state of affairs on the ground is that the US army is making a world-wide search for armoured Humvees. This is not a war which is getting easier, therefore.

Note: Details on the list of the limitations of powers are given in the article.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:41 AM
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1. You mean that military Humvees weigh...
...more than 6,000 lbs? :freak:
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:44 AM
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2. "sovereign", like "freedom" and "democracy"
Has become an empty word. Those who mouth it have no idea what it means. Perhaps there is a shortage of dictionaries in Washington.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:53 AM
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7. The marketing will commence in Sept., 'New! Improved Iraq!'
Shiny new packaging!...same bitter taste of blood and oil in sand...
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:46 AM
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3. Collectors alert!
Hide your Humvee. It will be increasingly rare and priceless.

Otherwise, some people catch on slow don't they? Does it ever occur to them that whatever the Bush administrations says it will do, it's actions are thoroughly predictable as they are reprehensible and a sham? Why bother with the media charade of bestowing weight on the worthless?

It's easy to be smart WAY in advance of getting taken to the cleaners. The crazy cons make it so easy and the media is blowing the opportunity to roast them before the victims get roasted.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:47 AM
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4. Duh!!!! We all know US will have a full force in there for years!
This wasn't merely about "regime change": get Saddam out and we come home. This war was about acquiring global dominance. PNAC.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:48 AM
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5. Iraq will get the same type of freedom that Bush wants
us to have - namely none at all. he wants to be the dictator president.
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ulTRAX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:52 AM
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6. IRAQ WILL BE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!! (To Be a US Client State)
THAT is what neo-cons consider sovereignty.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:59 AM
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8. As I remember US forces should NEVER be under foreign command
It will probably not have controlling power over the Coalition forces which after 30 June will become the "multi-national force"

Was this actually discussed? I thought one the standard arguments about getting into peace keeping missions with the UN was that under no means would red blooded Americans be commanded by a foreign country let alone one that has just been established....sorta.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:10 AM
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9. The UN will appoint the US to run the "multi-national force"
:-)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:21 AM
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10. So what the heck is gonna happen over there?
The turn-over is a sham. It will not stop the revolt against the American military. I just don't see how it is gonna fly. Anybody have a crystal ball?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:22 AM
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11. I've been saying that for months.. but I don't have a news agency.
The June 30th date is firm, because Bush HAS to have FOUR things:

1) July 4th photo ops and speeches about THEIR freedom, in context with OUR freedom. "You can take that to the bank" -Cheney

2) A month long vacation in August. He can't go if things look out of control there in Iraq.

3) An accomplishment (no matter how lame and false) for his summer and fall campaigning. The word QUAGMIRE just doesn't work in any 30 second tv spots.

4) The media will cool off (so they think) once power has been "handed over".


It's a deception. It's an insult to those we conquered there in Bush's crusade. It's another Afghanistan. All hell is STILL breaking loose in Afghanistan. The Taliban is back, the poppies are back, the violence continues. But.. they declared it to be done, so the media has forgotten it. The unfortunate death of Pat Tillman over there brought a few moments of "oh, do we still have military over there?", but it has since faded. I don't wish harm on anyone, and I want this to be over soon.. but I do hope it stays very unstable so that Bush cannot pull a fast one on June 30th, and leave our troops and the civilians over there out to dry. These power-hungry Bushes will let nothing and no one stand in their way.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:31 AM
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12. The Pubs want to control Iraq like they control us in America
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 10:33 AM by opihimoimoi
They have the SCOTUS, The Congress, The Presidency, the Military Ind Complex, the Armed Forces, The Media, the Churches, etc etc. We ONLY LOOK FREE.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:32 AM
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13. No shit, Sherlock
Did ANYONE seriously think that this "handover" was going to be anything other than empty symbolism? Even the most Fox News addled Freeper could have seen that for himself.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:11 AM
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14. Locking
misleading headline
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