Wisconsin GOP leaders encouraging colleagues to place fake Democrats on recall ballots

[PeaceNikki]

Source: JS Online

The season of dirty political tricks is now officially under way.

In letters obtained by No Quarter, local Republican Party officials are encouraging their GOP colleagues to collect enough signatures to get a fake Democratic candidate on the ballot in each of two upcoming recall elections.

The spoiler Democrats, who are identified by name in the letters, would run in the Democratic primaries for the seats now held by Republican Sens. Randy Hopper of Fond du Lac and Luther Olsen of Ripon.

Both of the fake Democrats have a history of giving almost exclusively to major Republicans.

"We need to make sure Democrat challengers face primaries to allow our Republicans time to mount a campaign," Dan Feyen, chairman of the 6th Congressional District Republican Party, wrote in the letter to "fellow conservatives" on Friday.



Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/123202643.html

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[PeaceNikki]

3. This is about dirty Republican tactics, not a vehicle to attack Democrats who are busting our asses

here in Wisconsin. Please take your cynicism elsewhere.

[ClarkUSA]

8. +1000

"This is about dirty Republican tactics, not a vehicle to attack Democrats who are busting our asseshere in Wisconsin. Please take your cynicism elsewhere." ~ PeaceNikki

:applause:

[sybylla]

18. +1000

Thank you for saying it, PeaceNikki

[EC]

14. No they're not

They are Repubs. Wisconsin doesn't require choosing a party. We can vote for either repub or Democrat.

[aquart]

22. There is no DLC.

But there are people who need desperately to invest in a labelable boogeyman.

It's the cheapest, most thoughtless name-calling which is so much easier for some than a reasoned argument with evidence to support it.

[No Elephants]

30. "There is no DLC," Really?

http://www.dlc.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council


I have no idea what the now deleted post said, but there is a DLC and, beyond that, the mentality of the DLC and its clones--New Democrats, Third Way, No Labels, etc.--has just about taken over the Democratic Party. Thanks to our current Party head, New Democrat Obama, it certainly has run the DNC since Obama booted Dean.

Therefore, while the DLC does still exist and function--with apologies to Mark Twain, reports of its death have been greatly exaggerated--the DLC need no longer be as active as it once was.

[EC]

63. I thought I read that the DLC

disbanded? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicsdaily.com%2F2011%2F02%2F08%2Fcentrist-democratic-group-closing-shop%2F&ei=YfPsTd_bFYnMgQfj4MnYCQ&usg=AFQjCNG4xMhYDLWKG2OSQ9Knv9EhxBdd_g


They are defunct.

[bvar22]

87. They are not "defunct".

They were organized in the late 80s, and funded by large Corporations
with the purpose of taking over the Democratic Party.
They WON.

The DLC New Team

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254886&kaid=86&subid=85

[spartan61]

2. Is that the only way they can win elections???

by cheating ?????

[Somawas]

4. No. They can also disenfrachise as many voters as possible.

[HankyDubs]

9. dont forget ginning up hatred of minority groups!

[Drale]

5. Yes nt

[Hubert Flottz]

36. YES!

[HillbillyBob]

46. Yup Rpuke equals election fraud

nt

[socialist_n_TN]

55. Nope. They can also go all the way to electoral fraud

and that's what will be coming up in these recall elections if the rest of the legal dirty trix don't work.

[Enthusiast]

88. Yes.........................nt

[littlewolf]

6. typical politics .. both sides do it ... "tea party" candidate in NY26 ...

*yawn* same old stuff ....

[diane in sf]

13. The Repug party is the main guilty party. They can't win without cheating and lying.

[divine_truine]

33. ...& stealing elections for jeebus

because that is the only way these fake christians (whom by hook or by crook manage to get themselves elected by gullible constituents) can live with themselves

[PeaceNikki]

17. Oh, is there some evidence that the Democratic Party was behind that guy?

I didn't see any. Did I miss it?

[sybylla]

19. So there are letters some place from the Dem party saying that guy should run?

And Democrats were encouraged to help get his ass on the ballot?

Come back when you have some proof.

[iwishiwas]

58. NO, the letter is from the Repugs. It has the Democrat who

is running name on the petition. Repugs are asking to sign and circulate the petition for a primary. The letters are embedded in the OP

[jeff47]

25. Wow do you not know what you're talking about.

The guy in NY26 wasn't supported by the Democrats.

And via exit polls, his voters would not have voted for the Republican if he wasn't on the ballot.

[No Elephants]

31. Bullshit. The Democratic Party did not run that guy. He was a former Democrat run by the Tea Party

You know, a former Democrat, like POS Zell Miller.

[wilt the stilt]

39. ah yes- the false equivalency

just waiting for it and here it is.

[EC]

64. Actually no.

Both sides don't do it. I know that is the accepted meme, but just like the other one "Both sides are the same" it's just not true.

[LanternWaste]

68. You appear to conflate "standard procedures" with aberrations.

You appear to conflate "standard procedures" with an "aberration". However, if it assists you in better validating a preconceived opinion, by all means...

[footinmouth]

70. WRONG on NY26

The Dem's wrote this district off years ago and have been handing it to the Republicans. Jack Davis was not a Dem plant. He runs with his own agenda and his own funding. He ran on the Democratic line several times because nobody else bothered to.

[dballance]

7. And The GOP Shouts Election Fraud When They are the Party Perpetraing It

The GOP does its best to prevent people from voting. There has NEVER been a case of widespread voter fraud - well except during the GW Bush elections and the recent WI supreme court elections.

The fraudulent GOP needs to go straight to hell. Hypocritical asses.

Yep, ACORN was a problem because it registered minorities and the poor. All classes of people the GOP doesn't give a shit about.

[aquart]

24. NO. They shout "Voter fraud" but practice election fraud.

Two distinctly different crimes which they are anxious to confuse in the public's mind.

[AllyCat]

74. In fact, election fraud is REQUIRED in order for them to "win" anything

so I think in order to be on the ballot as a Repuke, you have to show that you know how to cheat.

[Zoeisright]

10. That's repukes for you: cheating, lying, greedy, stupid, selfish bastards.

In a nutshell.

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[PeaceNikki]

61. lolz, see ya!

[Mz Pip]

11. Somehow I think the Dems

in WI are paying a lot more attention than the GOP may be giving them credit for. It won't work and will just be really bad press for the Republicans if they go forward with this.

Do they really think that everyone who worked so hard to get this recall going is just going to fade away and ignore this scheme?

[PeaceNikki]

12. They just want to force a primary and buy time.

[ClarkUSA]

15. I am guessing this isn't illegal. Is there a chance of this ploy succeeding in splitting the vote?

Perhaps Democrats should do the same? There must be an actor from Madison who is willing to play a brimstone-breathing teabagger!

[PeaceNikki]

16. No, it's just a ploy to force a primary.

There will only be one of each party on ticket. They aren't doing what the guy in NY26 did, they are just trying to get enough signatures to get a Democrat on ballot for a primary to buy time to prepare campaign.

[ClarkUSA]

20. Do you think any amount of campaign preparation will change the recall tide?

I'm hoping the answer is no, but I am leery of giving Citizens United monies time to flood the airwaves with negative ads.

[PeaceNikki]

21. Nope. We're fired up and ready to go. We've been since February and we have good candidates.

The votes from spring special election look good in several districts.

Here are all the candidates:
http://www.wisdems.org/candidates

Anyone reading this can donate to their campaigns to help fight against Citizens United. :)

[ClarkUSA]

75. Thanks for the contribution link, Nikki. They look like fine people.

I sent each of them donations. Glad to do it, too.

[PeaceNikki]

77. THANK YOU!!!

:yourock: :hug:

They are wonderful people. Especially the Assembly Dems. They have been refreakingmarkable. As amazing as the WI14.

[ClarkUSA]

78. Thank you for all your advocacy at DU on WI Democrats' behalf!!

It is an honor to support them. I only wish I could send more. I've bookmarked the link. Next month, I will. :hug:

[Scuba]

43. These People have NOT changed their minds...

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[AlbertCat]

23. Ahhhhh.... an old Jesse Helms tactic.

You might want to study what went on in NC.

[bluedigger]

26. I think this will backfire.

These phony candidates are already exposed, and now they are giving the real candidates a chance to get some exposure prior to the recall itself. A big reason Kloppenburg lost was due to lack of name recognition, and with solid campaign funding by dems, this can be overcome.

[murielm99]

27. This is a duplicate.

kpete posted it yesterday, and so did iwishiwas.

[PeaceNikki]

38. links?

I still don't see them. I saw a HuffPo piece about audio but not this JS Online piece.

[Fuddnik]

28. We've got enough fake Democrats of our own, thank you.

[No Elephants]

32. LOL!

[pansypoo53219]

29. star trek.

it won't work.

[drm604]

34. Gaming the system once again.

They have no respect for voters. They say they don't believe in big government, yet they do everything they can to thwart the will of the people. If you truly fear government, then why fight to keep it out of the control of the people?

They don't fear government per se. They fear honestly elected government that truly represents the will of the people.

Fortunately they were stupid enough to put this particular plot in writing.

[Gin Blossom]

83. Good point

Repubs LOVE government when it consists of stooges for trans-national corporations.

[liberal N proud]

35. The GOP couldn't win in a clean fair election

Crooked is all they know.

[Shining Jack]

37. They really can't win without cheating and

using disgusting tactics aren't they? :(

[PuffedMica]

40. Republicans can't win without cheating, and it is alarming how often the get away with it

After the outrage expressed over the Bush/Gore debacle in Florida, the Bush/Kerry debacle in Ohio, and numerous Congressional races, the Republicans have simply grown bold in openly cheating to win elections.

[Yon_Yonson]

41. Nothing ... I repeat NOTHING surprises me about these NEOCONS

Some people say the plot was a ‘late Friday night dark backroom’ decision between the GAB and their NEOCON handles.

[barbtries]

42. what really sucks as far as i can tell

is how many people think this is just fine. that the ends do justify the means. witness the gw administration, karl rove, on and on. it's sick and it's discouraging and contemptible, but if it results in a win for the republicans, oh well.

[formercia]

44. The GOP cannot win without cheating

Their phantom voters are disappearing under scrutiny and their base is dying of old age faster than they can be replaced. They have run out of Kool-Aide. Nobody with any intelligence wants to drink it and the truth is killing them.

[Kingofalldems]

45. I bet the repubs plant fake Democrats everywhere

[S_B_Jackson]

47. How is this different than Jack Davis

a long-time Democrat suddenly riling and running as a "Tea Party" candidate in this year's special election for New York's 26th Congressional district?

Yes, it's a dirty trick designed to get those who are voting out of ignorance to be confused....but it's a dirty tactic used by both sides.

[PeaceNikki]

48. Oh, is there some evidence that the Democratic Party was behind that guy?

I didn't see any. Did I miss it?

[brentspeak]

51. Answer: It's entirely different because

a) Jack Davis wasn't a "long-time Democrat" in the first place: He was a self-described "Goldwater Republican" for 50 years until he temporarily became a Democrat beginning in 2003 and ending in 2008 -- when he rejoined the Republican party. Davis was a "long-time Democrat" for a whopping five years.

b) Unlike the brand-new fake Democratic candidates the Wisconsin GOP are hoping to field, Davis has already been an actual candidate in his district for the past four regular House election cycles.

c) Unlike the brand-new fake Democratic candidates the Wisconsin GOP are hoping to field, Davis is a self-financing, independent candidate, controlled and recruited by no one, including the Democratic party.

Hope that helps.

[EC]

66. It's different because he put himself up

as a third party. The teabaggers bragged that they had Dems in their ranks, now they deny he's one of them? Is there any proof that the Dems put him up to it?



They did this with Alvin Greene also, there is no way he had the money to get into the race, he was unemployed...yet he came up with $10,000. from somewhere. And it wasn't the Democrats.

[johnwesleyharding]

95. Don't buy the GOP spin. Jack Davis was NOT a long-time Democrat.

Jack Davis was NOT a long-time Democrat. He is a long-time Republican who ran on the Democratic line in 04 and 06 after getting thrown out of a Cheney fundraiser because he criticized the Bush Administration for outsourcing US jobs and industry to Communist China. The Republicans and Democrats wouldn't let him on the ballot this time, but 12,000 people signed petitions for him to run on the Tea Party line. Nothing dirty about that. Don't buy the GOP spin.

[TxVietVet]

49. The conservanazis have no morals and will stoop to any level to rule.

Remember that.
Ideology is everything. Power is their drug. They are addicts that will do anything to achieve their reward. Power over all.

[TxVietVet]

50. The conservanazis have no morals and will stoop to any level to rule.

Remember that.
Ideology is everything. Power is their drug. They are addicts that will do anything to achieve their reward. Power over all.

[L. Coyote]

52. Who killed Robert Kennedy? Just sayin'

divisive American politics is soooo wrong in sooo many ways!

[Glaisne]

53. Republicans can't win

in a fair fight based on their ideas or values (since they have none of either) so they cheat.

[Horse with no Name]

54. republicans have done that in district for years

In the day, you wouldn't be able to elect a republican, soooo, they ran as "Democrats".

IMHO, this particular slimy trick is what has diluted our party to make it virtually indistinguishable from the republicans.

I have quit waiting for people to wake up and realize what is going on. republicans will do whatever they can to win the elections at whatever cost...and not just for "Brand republican"...they will win to impose their twisted will upon everyone that they can. Even if they have to do it as Democrats.

[TomCADem]

56. Once Again, Another Example of Sock Puppets Designed To Sap Support For Democrats

With millions in corporate money, Republicans can afford to attack from the right and the left. I am sure they are also funding a bunch of Green party candidates, then urging the left to cast a protest vote for a Green.

[ck4829]

57. K&R

[iwishiwas]

59. Kick.

[Hubert Flottz]

62. He we just elected one to the US Senate here in West Virginia!

[Blue Owl]

65. Lying, Cheating, Stealing -- so what's new with today's GOP?

[Harriety]

67. This is crap politics! I'm totally sick of it!

[Eagle Mall]

69. They know they are going down.

[Hubert Flottz]

71. Those people are thumbing their noses at law and order and

they will keep right on getting away with it.

[patrice]

72. Therefore: Dems should be getting together to know one another & plan/BTW!! Party PLATFORM work???nt

[AllyCat]

73. They are incapable of winning elections without cheating in most races

I think it is a pre-requisite to be a liar and cheater in order to be on the ticket in ANY Republican race.

[PeaceNikki]

81. They're hoping to delay long enough to finish redistricting.

http://networkedblogs.com/iN1IK

[AllyCat]

92. Sounds like something they would do. What a bunch of jerks. I wish the people

would wake up. Most of us are, but not enough I fear.

[Uncle Joe]

76. Moral and issue bankruptcy would require this kind of strategy.

Thanks for the thread, PeaceNikki.

[mojowork_n]

79. Wonder why it took the Journal so long...

This was all reported last week:

http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/article_0f2ffc96-8cc9-11e0-aa91-001cc4c002e0.html

June 1st, 12:00 am post time.

The part about "...letters obtained by No Quarter (the name of Bice's column)..." is confusing,
since the LaCrosse paper used "audio" as its source.

[PeaceNikki]

80. The La Crosse Trib discussed one race, JS two diffferent races.

I suspect new info since 6/1.

[PeaceNikki]

82. Sen Lena Taylor will be dicussing this on The Ed Schultz Show at 1:30pm today

[Ozymanithrax]

84. Republcians tried this in California in the 90's.

Especially in primaries to siphon off votes from a popular candidate to get a person easier to beat on the ballot.

[JohnWxy]

85. When it comes to subverting democracy and undermining the will of the people the Republicans know no

bounds. These are corrupt degenerates who must be removed from positions where they can do so much harm.

RECOMMENDED!

[JohnWxy]

86. SUGGEST DUers comment on GOP tactics on M$M cites. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THIS WILL BE KNOWN TO MANY

PEOPLE! I know it's kindof a pain to set up an account and all but these things must be talked about and the only way they will appear on corporate media sites is if informed people include this information in their comments to articles on these sites.

[sakabatou]

89. This smells illegal

I'm not sure if it is illegal, it just seems like it.

[rasputinkhlyst]

90. This is what they do in RI

And these FAKE Democraps, DINOs, often win, forcing the entire state to the right, even as it looks blue. It is shameful. The Democratic Party should endorse the REAL Democratic candidates and make it very clear who is what.

[PeaceNikki]

91. We do.

It was the focal point of the state convention this past weekend. The chair dubbed it the "2011 Recall Convention".

Here are all of the Democratic candidates for recall: http://www.wisdems.org/candidates

You can support their fight against AFP and Citizens United by donating to their campaigns.

[Marnie]

93. I know of two stealth candidates back from

the1970's.
Stealth candidate were how the evangelicals got control of the Oklahoma and Texas state school boards. The county clerk in Broward County Fl. was a Repo before she was a Dem just long enough to fuck Dole out of the WH and then she was a Republican again.
Two nominees for an open state legislature seat nominated by Sarah Palin, against common practice and the law, were Republicans until a few weeks before she nominated them to fill a vacant Democratic seat. To their credit the Republican dominated Alaskan legislature rejected them both.

Jeeez the Dims are slow to catch on.

Republicans cheat, and they lie, even when they don't have to.

[dogfacedboy]

94. There is no lower form of scum than a Republican. Fucking vermin.

[harun]

96. Why don't Democrats bring up more often the fact that Republicans HATE Democracy.

[yoopertom]

97. Typical Dirty Tricks

The Republicans in Michigan have put up a fake petition to Recall Snyder site to dupe people int thinking they have already signed the petition which is totally useless unless you sign the Official Paper Petition.