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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:19 PM Original message |
Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan |
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. Ummmm ... ok |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Scahill reported it as a deal McChrystal made with Pakistan. |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
84. Thanks for the link. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. So, much of the news is in fact theater |
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FarPoint (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. What we do know, is Bin Laden has been in that house |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
49. actually, I wouldn't say we definitely know that |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. but not all of the official story but |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
47. Pakistan is riding a thin line on this stuff |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. agreed |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. So, the incursion part was secretly legal, but publicly Pak. claims it wasn't? Bad deal for both. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. To burnish street cred? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Whose? Pakistan looks clueless; the U.S. looks reckless. Dumb lie, if that's what it is. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. For many years, this has always been the method which 3rd World governments have used |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
33. This makes no sense... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. I would think that Pakistan publicly dragging its feet in regards to |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
41. They want OBL gone and were probably getting something from us |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. So if this was merely kabuki, then it appears the government was NOT protecting him. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It means |
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rainlillie (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Bush doesn't deserve credit for Bin Laden's demise |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
53. The Bush admin (Cheney) shut down the search in 2005 |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. I can just hear that conversation. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You have missed the whole point of the agreement. "Unilateral". |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. If they previously agreed to it, it is 'unilateral' not unilateral. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
89. You write of the Pakistani government as if it is some monolith, acting |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
10. I've suspected something like this. |
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ladywnch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. so you're gonna tell us that Bush could've taken OBL out and claimed the credit |
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rainlillie (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. LOL! So true. Besides that Cheney and his rotten spawn would have |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Yeah, especially in the last few weeks before Obama won the election |
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Iliyah (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. OR BR_Parkway |
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Iliyah (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. The bushies |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Exactly. He would have found it impossible to resist. Impossible. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Bush would have been ecstatic if US forces had killed Bin Laden on his watch |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. EXACTLY! This is pure BS! |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. I don't buy it for a moment either. He could have done this just before the 2006 |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. bush and the OBL family were friends and business partners... |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
52. Bush trod pretty close to treason a few times during his reign of terror |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #11 |
54. no, OBL was the official reason we were in Afghanistan |
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FarPoint (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
12. Pakistan knew where Bin Laden was since 2006... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Precisely. It's sort of like finding the ultimate cure for tooth |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. And they started notifying us shortly after. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I don't think that is at all clear at this point |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #32 |
46. There was a link around here that I can't find to save my life |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Plenty of people have always assumed there were a lot of 'wanted men' in Pakistan |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. That's true. Knowing someone is in a general area |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
21. Attempt #826 to shift credit to Bush |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. It doesn't shift credit to Bush as all |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
58. It doesn't. It shows Bush did nothing when he could have done something. n/t |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
27. But actually.... |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. Look how carefully phrased that one sentence is: |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. You're likely very close to the real arrangement, as opposed to the PR. |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Correctamundo! |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
35. Who was this "Former US Official"?? |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
38. It is amazing how these stories emerge after the fact |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
40. Bottomline, the muthafucka is dead |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
42. K for Compare with Dupe |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
43. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL THREAD! |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Hello? |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
44. Bullshit. I'm not buyin'. nt |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
48. Is this a form of DU brinksmanship? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
56. Fuck Pockiston |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
91. Why the, um, alternate spelling? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
59. Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Sounds like normal diplomacy to me. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Yah, par for the course. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Duplicate LBN from yesterday |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Yep |
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TimLighter (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Bush and Cheney need to be asked what? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Well, why they didn't go into Tora Bora... |
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TimLighter (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Tora Bora is in Afganistan |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Ah, yes...I |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. ??? -- the subject should have read, "Ah, yes...I 'stan' corrected." |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. We were in Tora Bora. Speculation was that Osama dressed in a burka and eluded us |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. This Sounds Made Up To Me In Order To Take The Spotlight Away From Obama...... |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. of course |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. so Obama was told about this secret agreement when he was just a candidate? |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. You don't think then Senator Obama wasn't made privy to State Intel? |
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octothorpe (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Don't you mean Kandidate Kerry? |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. bush, cheney never acted to get bin-Laden... |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I totally agree! This smells of BS! |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Of course, but the specific details of precisely how it was going to happen probably had to |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. I call BS!! |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. I believe if we look hard enough we will find out that Ronnie Raygun |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. If there was such a deal then why didn't Bush go after bin Laden? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Supposedly, no one knew where in Pakistan to look for Bin Laden until his courier made that call. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
80. What difference does this tidbit make, true or not? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. "...Bush look even worse because there was no barrier to his entering Pakistan to nail Bin Laden." |
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octothorpe (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #80 |
86. It also gets of the argument that Obama/US illegally entered Pakistan without permission. |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
83. kick |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
88. So how come nothing ever came of it?? |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
90. Well I just don't know what to make of it. |
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