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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:10 PM
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Female Teacher Accused of Sex with Five Students Over Five Months
Source: abc

An Ohio gym teacher accused of having sex with five members of the high school football team over five months and plying the boys with alcohol before seducing them is expected to formally resign tonight.

Stacy Schuler, 32, appeared in court Tuesday charged with 16 felony counts of sexual battery involving five male students and three misdemeanor charges of serving alcohol to minors, according to court records.

She is accused of having sex with each boy once over the course of five months in 2010.

Each of the 16 felony counts carries a potential prison term of one to five years, said Gary Loxley, spokesman for the Warren County prosecutor.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/female-teacher-accused-sex-students-months/story?id=12876527
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:20 PM
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1. "She is accused of having sex with each boy once": in a brave new world, she could be a perfect lady
Then, with a sudden change of tone, “But seriously,” she said, “I really do think you ought to be careful. It’s such horribly bad form to go on and on like this with one man. At forty, or thirty-five, it wouldn’t be so bad. But at your age, Lenina! No, it really won’t do. And you know how strongly the D.H.C. objects to anything intense or long-drawn. Four months of Henry Foster, without having another man — why, he’d be furious if he knew...”

“Think of water under pressure in a pipe.” They thought of it. “I pierce it once,” said the Controller. “What a jet!”

He pierced it twenty times. There were twenty piddling little fountains.

“My baby. My baby...!”

“Mother!” The madness is infectious.

“My love, my one and only, precious, precious...”

Mother, monogamy, romance. High spurts the fountain; fierce and foamy the wild jet. The urge has but a single outlet. My love, my baby. No wonder these poor pre-moderns were mad and wicked and miserable. Their world didn’t allow them to take things easily, didn’t allow them to be sane, virtuous, happy. What with mothers and lovers, what with the prohibitions they were not conditioned to obey, what with the temptations and the lonely remorses, what with all the diseases and the endless isolating pain, what with the uncertainties and the poverty — they were forced to feel strongly. And feeling strongly (and strongly, what was more, in solitude, in hopelessly individual isolation), how could they be stable?

“Of course there’s no need to give him up. Have somebody else from time to time, that’s all. He has other girls, doesn’t he?”

Lenina admitted it.

“Of course he does. Trust Henry Foster to be the perfect gentleman — always correct.

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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:21 PM
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2. OK.....
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 05:23 PM by AnneD
I work around MS and HS kids. The idea is so repugnant-but then I am a Nurse and the thought of messing around with Docs leaves me cold. No soaps for me.....

Excuse me while I :puke:
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:26 PM
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3. math problem
how do you get to 16 felony counts with five boys if you sleep "with each boy once"?

:shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:28 PM
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4. Maybe they're counting different acts separately?
:shrug:
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:48 PM
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9. are you assuming or do you know?
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 06:24 PM by reorg
How do you seperate such "acts" - is she liable to get five years for each time she helped the boys to an orgasm?

Whenever such cases come up I'm glad not to live in this country.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:29 PM
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5. The prosecutor wants to run for mayor.
Ok, I made that up. But it is a possibility.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:31 PM
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6. If she is accused of performing various sex acts with each boy,
presumably each act can count as a felony?
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:15 PM
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12. Each instance of sleeping with a boy may have been covered by more than one charge...
...depending on the nature of the incident. Generally the formal charge isn't going to be "you slept with that boy," but rather some combination of sexual assault charges.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:04 PM
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20. partial math solution
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 07:05 PM by cstanleytech
3 x 5 = 15 + 1 quickie in the closest during lunch with one of the boys = 16
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:33 PM
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7. None of the alleged incidents occurred on school grounds.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:39 PM
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8. Fail. n/t
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 05:56 PM
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10. Well, there's abuse of power
Parents don't send their kids to school to become sex toys for the staff.
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:13 PM
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11. Well said!!!
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:27 PM
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14. I put that together when I was in Washington State
I saw a lot of letter to the editor reaction to the Mary Kay Letourneau story, much of it describing it as some sort of love story. It made me want to puke, then it made me angry, so I constructed the sentence above.

I hope that it puts things in perspective for this female teacher/male student sexcapade thing that some people seem to excuse, while they wouldn't tolerate it if a male teacher did the same thing with either boys or girls.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:31 PM
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15. actually
I tolerate it regardless of gender if those involved in such activities are not forced to participate. Nowhere does it say in the story that the guys were students of the teacher, they just were at the same school, and they were of age. 16 is old enough to have a drink and have sex. Completely legal in most European countries.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:44 PM
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16. Even if mutually consensual
how do you answer the 'abuse of power' argument? When the boss is managing the office out of his pants, the people who have to pick up the slack for the sex toy are the ones who suffer, as well as morale. That involves consenting adults, too, but is the wrong way to run a business.

In situations like a public school, it's intolerable to me. Citing Europe doesn't help me get around this. There are sexual behaviors involving minors in Africa or Asia that are not OK with me, either.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:56 PM
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17. on the merits of specific allegations
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 07:03 PM by reorg
If a student acts under the impression that he has to earn his grades in bed you might have a point. But the article doesn't say that.

Where I work there are quite a few couples, some of them married, some even working in the same department. I don't think anybody ever had a problem with that.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:02 PM
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19. True, it doesn't say that
But a teacher is always in a position of authority, and abusing taxpayer-supplied authority for one's own sexual gratification is considered wrong by many of us Puritans.

With the couples you work with, are they equals, or are they in a different status from each other, such as supervisor and subordinate? If the latter is true, I'd be curious to know what others in your workplace think about the arrangement, even if it doesn't particularly bother you.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:08 PM
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24. I think the authority, if any, is derived from earning grades
and not supplied by the taxpayer. I don't see how the private lives of teachers are anybody's business but their own.

Some of the couples I work with are equals, sometimes the women work in subaltern positions, I don't know of any where it is the other way round. I also had a relationship once with a colleague for a few years. We worked in adjoining rooms before, during and after that. Sometimes it was a little stressful - for us, not that it mattered to anybody else. I once had a supervisor who was married to her direct superior, no problem. Of course, the suspicion of nepotism may arise under such circumstances, but it is no different to, say, a father who recommends his son for a job, and then the son recommends his brother - as long as they are good at doing their job it is okay and nobody cares.
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:22 PM
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33. Nobody sends their kids to school to get them drunked up and fucked.
It's a violation, both of the law and of ethics.

Supposed to teach them. When people in other businesses use their position to get sex with underlings, we call that rape and abuse. This is no different.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:01 PM
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18. 16's apparently old enough for consent where this happened as well. Not for teachers, apparently.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:04 PM
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26. .
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 09:05 PM by ManiacJoe
.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:03 PM
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25. What part of Europe is Ohio in?
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:54 PM
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29. Oh, god forbid that someone compare Ohio to European states
the insolence ...

So, I take it it's only a felony in Ohio if the students you have sexual relations with attend the school where you are employed? The outrage here is just because this woman did not pick up boys from *another* school's football team? I must admit I find this puzzling.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:09 PM
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31. Yes. Having sex with students from the school a teacher works at is wrong
Even if they are not the teacher of the student, still there is a power differential that makes it wrong.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:47 AM
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43. I assume that goes both ways
What do you mean the EU doesn't allow XYZ. Why here in arkansas you can get XYZ at the local walmart.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:02 PM
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44. Then you are being deliberately obtuse, if you are puzzled.
But, you already know that.
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:09 PM
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30. I live in Mason, OH and have two boys at the HS...
The teacher was an athletic trainer with the football team and probably some other sports teams but I am not sure which teams.

The only thing I can say is I am glad my boys are in band and orchestra. This is a weird and isolated event at the school. The Mason School system is ranked 5th academically in the state for public school systems and has one of the best arts programs (including music) in the area. A tip came from an anonymous phone call earlier this year to the school. The administration took immediate action and put her on paid administrative leave. Before the school board could fire her she resigned her position at the school and then turned herself in at the Warren County Sheriffs Office after a warrant was issued for her arrest. She was to have a bail hearing earlier this week but I am out of town and have not heard what happened. The school administration has filed a complaint with the Ohio state School Board in Columbus and she will lose her teaching license after a hearing sometime down the line.

What she did was wrong. She abused her power as a teacher and will pay dearly for it.

The prosecutor's office in Warren County is looking for as much publicity as they can get. This story has been front page news since it came out They are also trying someone who is accused of murdering his wife for the third time. The first two trials ended up in hung juries. At every new trial the the witnesses get more strange for the prosecution. I am sure the case against the teacher will be a three ring circus.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:44 AM
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37. Actually it was--they're still married
There wouldn't have been a problem at all if Letourneau had just acted like a mautre adult and waited until the kid was legal. She never had any interest AFAIK in other underage kids, and is no way a pedophile. (Pedophiles are well known for losing sexual interest in their love objects when they start acquiring adult secondary sex characteristics.)
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:27 AM
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39. She got pregnant by him TWICE before he was a legal adult
The second time was while she was on parole for the first offense, which she only had to do six months in the slammer for. The rest of her sentence was for violating a specific condition of parole, namely, not seeing him anymore, even without sex. They never actually tried or sentenced her for the second statutory rape.

Can you tell me with a straight face that any male high school teacher who would have impregnated the same girl twice wouldn't have gotten many, many years in prison? And if the girl involved married him when she came of age, that it would figure in well for the parole board hearing? They'd just stick his ass in solitary, because he's obviously a manipulating bastard.

No difference here, to me.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:28 PM
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45. There is a huge difference between an adult woman having a baby
--and a teenage girl having a baby. Although the "adult" in this case wasn't very mature. If she'd been mature enough to wait--nothing wrong with consenting adults getting together.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:24 AM
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46. I guess I see 'parents' as equal
And in my comparison, one is a nominal adult in a position of control, whereas the other one is a kid admiring an authority figure who seduced them, and is not ready to be a parent.

The gender of the individuals in the situations is irrelevant to me.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:45 PM
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21. I agree
People should become high school teachers because they want to teach teenagers, not because they want to sleep with them.
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:02 PM
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23. Issue is a sexual predator acting on minors.
Needs to go away for a long, long time, because sex as a reinforcer is nearly impossible to defeat. She will never quit.

Why we don't require educators to at least take the MMPI as a condition for employment is beyond me. Complete workup would be better.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:12 PM
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32. The abuse is of TRUST.
Teenagers are trying on their moves. They have to be able to trust that a teacher will show them the correct way to behave. They have to be able to trust that if they come on to a teacher that the teacher will give a firm NO.

They have to be able to trust that a teacher will NOT come on to them. That allows them to be silly and flirtatious in total safety. The guarantee of rejection makes it safe to try it on and get ignored.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:28 AM
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41. Try this:
Male teacher gets 5 under age female students drunk and has sex with them; defends self by saying 'well we didn't do it in the classroom, I took them back to my place, like a gentleman'.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:23 PM
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13. As someone who has worked with boys that were sexually abused this really
just disgusts me. I worked with kids that were much younger then teenagers but this really is an abuse of power and effects boys more then people think it does. Its just really sad.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:59 PM
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22. There are enough
of us over 60 men that are legal and willing.
:toast:


able might be a different story
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:21 PM
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27. This was rape not seduction
If a male offender slipped female victims roofies, this would be considered rape. She drugged these boys then raped them. The fact that she was their teacher is only material in that Ohio makes a clear exception for teachers in their age of consent law. However, I think that the use of drugs as a tool of sexual control makes consent a non-issue.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:29 AM
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42. According to the media
and many on here apparently it isn't possible for a woman to rape a man.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:27 PM
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28. Not a comment about the accusations;
But how many males will the prosecution dismiss from the jury because some males will find what she did a deep seated fantasy? All it takes is one outcast middle aged male who had a big crush on his 9th grade math teacher and projects himself into the boys' situation?

Just saying.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:30 PM
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34. awful. hope she goes to jail over this. plying kids with alcohol for sex is evil nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:38 PM
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35. As a woman who is right around her age
high school boys look like little kids.

I don't understand the attraction.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 11:02 PM
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36. Was she hot???
Because that makes it okay.

:sarcasm:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:48 AM
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38. So...
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:26 AM
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40. Let the wrist slapping commence!
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