Jordanian prince in WWIII warning

[Quetzal]

Jordanian prince in WWIII warning

Prince Hassan of Jordan has said he fears a third world war is erupting in the Middle East.

Speaking to BBC's Radio Four, he said it was an "extremely depressing" time.

Extremist voices in the region were rising, and not only individuals but states were taking the law into their own hands, the prince said.

more...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3570227.stm

[orwell]

1. Rapture

Wheee...Bushie's Blow Dried Bible Bloviators can rejoice. We're just one step closer to the rapture.

Will it only be televised on Fux?

O

[theHandpuppet]

2. Yep, Bush the Antichrist

Coming to a town near you -- hell on earth! A GWB Production, all rights reserved by the GOP.

[cdeca]

8. Go ahead Lord....

and bring your "good" christians into your bosom. I'll take my chances with the anti-christ.

But please let us have John Kerry or anybody but Bush as President of the US.

[Gloria]

3. Turkey is also extremely upset.......

ERDOGAN RAILS AGAINST YASSIN KILLING

http://www.turkishdailynews.com/FrTDN/latest/for.htm#f6



Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan described the assassination of Palestinian Hamas group leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin by Israeli forces as an "act of terror" and said Turkish plans to mediate between Israelis and Palestinians were "ruined" by the killing.

[NNN0LHI]

18. Talk is cheap and Turkey does a lot of bidness with Israel n/t

[tlcandie]

4. My question is this: Do the ME rulers/leaders have the background

and ability to come together to fight a common enemy? I can see and hear that they are all upset and stuff about this, but I'm not sure about history and whether or not they are able to move past the emotional to make a viable/working plan to stand united against the aggression of the US/UK.

I hope they can and I'm not slamming them, I am simply curious what the prospects are that this could actually happen? If they do not find some consensus from which to join and take a stand then they are all doomed and life as they have known it will be a matter of history.

[Karenina]

10. Lemme tell ya,

There are SURELY enough people who recognize the PNAC plan as a losing proposition to anyone but its signatories...

[xchrom]

5. hey pea-brain in al's house

are you listening?

[jumptheshadow]

58. No, he's not listening to anybody...

except God.

[keithyboy]

6. Our vote in the UN is a license to kill...not just for Israel but everyone

this administration has accomplished by invading Iraq every horrible thing that the opposition predicted and we will be paying the price for it for years to come. Truly, I don't want the Dems to be in power when the blowback hits us. And it is going to hit us. I want Bush out, but I sure don't want a Dem to take his place...at least not for another 4 years. Maybe Nader deserves to be President after what he did in 2000 election.

[Muddleoftheroad]

9. License to kill, no just self defense

Every state has the right to protect itself from someone who murders its citizens with wild abandon.

Yassin was a murderer, an organizer and leader of a gang of murderers. Fortunately, the word "was" is also true.

[bobbyboucher]

13. Wrong

again.

[Muddleoftheroad]

15. Wow, cutting reparte

[BeFree]

16. So much for Justice, eh, muddle?

Why do you hate the way Justice is carried out in civilized societies? Why do you think the old style of frontier Justice should still be acceptable?

No hearing, no judge, no jury. Just a missile. And this pleases you somehow?

[Muddleoftheroad]

17. No hearing, no judge, hmm, sounds like warfare to me

No nation can sit around and wait to be attacked yet again by a monster who targets their civilian population. Israel did the right thing. It locked this son of a bitch up and was forced to let him go in a prisoner exchange. Then he went about killing again.

So now, no prisoner exchange. And he can't harm any one else ever again.

[WillyT]

19. He Can't, But The Thousands Of New Terrorists His Death Inspires...

might have a say in that matter.

And unfortunately, Isreal is gonna need a lot more missles now.

Tragic, and stupid, all the way around.

[Muddleoftheroad]

22. Hamas killed Israelis before Yassin's death

They will kill Israelis after his death. Their tactics didn't change. All that has changed is that their leadership is disrupted.

[NNN0LHI]

20. And who's word do we go by that he was what you say he is?

The IDF? The Israeli government? Our government? CNN? Yours? Who's? Did this guy ever get his day in court? I don't think so? He may be guilty of everything you suggest about him? And if he is let him burn in hell for all I care. But give him his day in court so we can hear his side. You don't just smash someone with a fucking missile and then tell us what he is guilty of. That is bullshit and you know it.

Don

[Muddleoftheroad]

23. You must be kidding

He was the founder and leader of Hamas. Hell, even the bastards at Hamas don't dispute that.

Or there was his jailing for murder of PALESTINIANS. He was only freed in a forced prisoner exchange. He has HAD his day in court and was found guilty.

[NNN0LHI]

30. So should be no problem finding him guilty in a court of law this time

Civilized society's do that all the time. Whats the problem with doing that in this case?

Don

[Muddleoftheroad]

33. He's still guilty from the first time

He was found guilty of murdering PALESTINIANS.

He wasn't let go on a technicality. He was freed in a forced prisoner exchange.

[NNN0LHI]

41. Lot of people walking the streets who have been released from prison...

...right here in the USA who have done some pretty grisly stuff. We don't hit them over the head with a missile for what they did in the past. There is no excuse for this. People who agree with this stuff are no better than what they claim to hate. And that is a shame.

Don

[Muddleoftheroad]

42. And they have been freed LEGALLY

Not part of a prisoner exchange where people were held hostage.

This bastard Yassin murdered, led murderers and organized a band of murderers.

Had Israel captured him again, then their enemies would have forced yet another exchange. And, of course, dozens would have been killed in the combat capturing him, but everyone likes to ignore that fact.

[NNN0LHI]

44. I never insinuated that acting civilized didn't have its drawbacks

It goes with the territory. But once we become no different than what we hate our enemies will have won. Don't you see that?

Don

[Muddleoftheroad]

46. There is a HUGE difference

He was actively plotting the murder of civilians who did him no harm. Israel REACTED to that threat.

[NNN0LHI]

52. Circular argument. See post # 20. We are right back where we started n/t

[Muddleoftheroad]

53. Such is the nature of the Mideast

Lots of fighting, no solutions.

[NNN0LHI]

55. Ain't it the truth. Got to go walk my pups. They are bugging me now

See ya later.

Don

[saigon68]

38. You go Don

We used to call the principle Due Process of Law--which is now sadly lacking

[Muddleoftheroad]

40. Due Process of Law isn't applied in combat

It's a fantasy for places where your enemies don't have little kids and new mothers strap on bombs and kill civilians.

[saigon68]

64. This is not a declared War

It is a criminal expedition by a Thug Empire led by a Clueless Sock Puppet who at times smirks like a CHIMPANZEE

[BeFree]

21. So war it is, eh?

If Israel is at war with the Palestinians, then, the Palestinians have every right to do whatever they want to Israel.

I did not think Israel was in a declared war. But if they are, then any means used by those they are at war against is fair, right?

Still, war is not my idea of a solution to the conflict. But, it seems to be your solution... Problem is, Israel will be (and has been), the loser.

As to the man in question in this thread, I understand that he realized war as a mistake, and those who feed on war wanted him gone because he might have led to those bastards starving.

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. Not war with the Palestinians

War with the terrorists, yes. And Hamas is among the worst of the lot.

You don't need to declare war against terror organizations that kill innocent civilians. You can hunt them down like the rabid dogs they are.

Yeah, he realized war was a mistake which is why Hamas stopped killing Israelis? Funny thing is, they didn't. They have sworn to destroy Israel, not just regain SOME territory.

[BeFree]

25. So, I am right, no declared war

So why does Israel kill innocent civilians? Seems like terrorism to me.

Keep digging, muddle.

[Muddleoftheroad]

26. No nation declares war on criminals

That's all Hamas is, a gang of murderers.

There are no innocents in Hamas. Anyone in Hamas supports their terror efforts.

[BeFree]

27. You wrote:

"You don't need to declare war against terror organizations that kill innocent civilians. You can hunt them down like the rabid dogs they are.

Has Israel killed innocent civilians? You say that those that do so are terrorists. We agree.

But you see, muddle, that is why Justice must be served. Because even though we agree, you are still wrong believing I should destroy you and your innocent neighbors.

[Muddleoftheroad]

28. Israel is not a terror organization

And you don't go after police even though bystanders are sometimes killed when they battle criminals.

Hamas deliberately hides among the Palestinian civilian population. Israel is left with two choices since the PA won't do anything about it. Choice One: Ignore them. That means tons of Israeli civilians die. Choice Two: Kill Hamas when opportunity present itself. That means both Hamas and some Palestinian civilians die.

Which would you choose? Should Israel ignore the terrorists next door and let them kill with impunity?

[BeFree]

31. They are both wrong

That's why Justice is needed.

You may condone your style of terrorism, and deny the other. I, on the other hand deny terrorism in totallity. Give me Justice. Why do you hate Justice?

[Muddleoftheroad]

32. How is Israel wrong on this?

There is not a state in the world that wouldn't hunt down the monsters like Hamas if they were killing their own citizens. Israel arrested this bastard once before and had to turn him over in a prisoner exchange. This time it took no chances.

Gee, wonder how the U.S. would treat Osama.

I love justice. I bet we define it differently.

[BeFree]

35. You wrote:

You don't need to declare war against terror organizations that kill innocent civilians. You can hunt them down like the rabid dogs they are.

You define terrorism two, three, or four ways, as I see it. But the fact that actions resulting in the deaths of innocents is terrorism and are outlawed by every civilized nation. That is In-Justice. Why would anyone support In-Justice on any innocent civilian? That is precisely what you are doing -- supporting the murder of innocent civilians.

[Muddleoftheroad]

37. The death of innocents happens no matter what

And I don't support the murder of anyone.

The Palestinians have made this choice. Their leadership not only allows the terrorists to stay in civilian areas (a violation of Geneva Convention rules btw), but it aids and supports them. That means Israel has no choice but to root out terror in Palestinian areas.

When police go after gangs of murderers, no one blames the police that bystanders die. Funny, they only seem concerned when Israel does so.

[BeFree]

43. You Wrote:

When police go after gangs of murderers, no one blames the police that bystanders die.

Well now, you've gone and done it: dug your hole. "...no one blames the police..." Wait, please, let me put my boots on, it's getting real deep.

Why do you hate the idea of American Justice being used anywhere but here? Why are you so opposed to Justice? Is it that you think Justice might prove you wrong?

[Muddleoftheroad]

45. American justice?

What sort of justice does al Qaeda get? They get the justice that an active enemy planning the deaths of your population deserves. They are killed as quickly as possible.

Let me ask you specifically. How would you have dealt with this known murderer Yassin?

If you ignore him he kills.

You've arrested him and were forced to turn him over in a prisoner exchange.

If you send in troops to catch him, you run into the same combat you ran into in Jenin that kills dozens on both sides.

Hmmmm.

[BeFree]

50. I would choose peaceful negotiations.

You chose war and terror and more innocents killed. Bloody simple, eh?

You chose a continuation of the bloody human history. I chose to alter it once and forever. You have the far easier choice, as many are wont to kill, kill, kill. I have the harder row to hoe, as it means Justice for all. Your lynch-mob mentality is a mentality that I wish to utterly and completely destroy. I have a far harder task, thanks to you and your's.

[Muddleoftheroad]

54. You can't negotiate with terrorists

Hamas has sworn to destroy Israel. That's in its charter.

There is only one way to negotiate with terrorists.

The Palestinian people are another matter. I'd happily engage them in negotiations -- AFTER they clamped down on terror. Not before.

[BeFree]

59. After?

Yeah, yer a fan of Israeli style terrorism, you've proven that. Israel's way, or the highway. You are like a broken record.

"So what if innocents get killed, happens all the time." "So what if innocents get killed, happens all the time." "So what if innocents get killed, happens all the time." "So what if innocents get killed, happens all the time." "So what if innocents get killed, happens all the time." "So what if innocents get killed, happens all the time."

Sickening.

[Muddleoftheroad]

60. Sickening

Yes your accusation is just that.

Hmmm, Israel or Hamas? I'll take a democratically elected nation over a terror group any day.

Now, as to the words you seek to put in my mouth, it ain't the case. The Palestinians could shut down terror if they chose. Funny, they don't choose to do so.

[rooboy]

36. Hate to spoil your fun, but it's not all that Hamas is.

I don't have any particular love for terrorists, but let's get our facts straight. Have you ever asked yourself WHY Hamas has so much support amongst the Palestinians?

They provide schools and healthcare amongst other things, with less corruption than exists in the Palestinian Authority. So if you think that Sheikh Yassin only symbolized death and destruction to the Palestinians, you'd be tragically wrong. And it's also possible to believe that Yassin was seen more in the humanitarian role by his people than in the role of terrorist mastermind.

[Muddleoftheroad]

39. Yes Hamas has many front organizations

And Al Capone did as well. He liked to give money to farmers if I recall correctly. He was still a murderer and those who were part of his organization were still part of a criminal gang.

Capone had his fans. So did Pretty Boy Floyd. So did Bonnie And Clyde. They were all murderers. Just like Yassin. Just like Hamas.

[BeFree]

47. Just like Israel.

Yep, you are a fan of the death of innocent civilians. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. But fans of your genre usually are not.

[Muddleoftheroad]

48. I don't root for ANY innocent deaths

And the Palestinian people could easily solve this themselves if they wished. Do you think Israel would be attacking terrorists if the Palestinians had the moral courage to do it themselves?

What genre am I a fan of do you suppose? I like drama. Or comedies. Even some sci-fi. Or perhaps history...

[BeFree]

56. You can't have it both ways

Even tho you try. 'Course that's why your name is muddle, eh? You are muddling things with your I do vs. I don't. Either you are for Justice, or you are not. You can't have a little Justice here, and a little Justice there. Not and be civilized too.

[Muddleoftheroad]

57. There are few absolutes in life

Most of us muddle along with life being imperfect.

[BeFree]

61. That's the reason for Justice

Civilized people have thrived under Justice. Savage people thrive without Justice. What shall Israel be? It's a choice that must be made; Savagery or Civilized. I chose Civilized and condemn the Savagery. Join us, muddle. Choose Civility.

PS...that's it for me, you may have the final word. It's a beautiful Spring day. I must trade this room for the great outdoors and leave behind your electronic muddling.

Peace. Shalom.

[Muddleoftheroad]

62. You can't be civil against terrorists

Because we don't live in Utopia.

In the real world, you kill terrorists before they can kill others.

[NNN0LHI]

49. Good comparison but Al Capone got his day in court

He didn't get hit with a missile. Both sides got to tell their side and Capone lost the argument and died in prison. That is the way it should have been.

Off subject. My mother remembers seeing Capone passing out silver dollars to the little kids at weddings she attended when she was a child growing up in Chicago Heights. And lighting his cigar with 100 dollar bills too.

Don

[Muddleoftheroad]

51. And Al Capone wasn't in enemy territory

And his thugs hadn't forced the government to free him once before.

Had Israel sent in troops, the pro-Pal folks would be complaining about another Jenin -- not that the first one was really what they claimed.

[theHandpuppet]

63. Pot, meet kettle....

Frankly, I think both Yassin AND Sharon are murderers -- Sharon no less so than Yassin. If a people have a right to defend themselves from terrorists by assassinations, then there must be a missile around somewhere with Sharon's name on it. That's why an "eye for an eye" approach to solvng the world's problems can only make the whole world blind.

Sharon is a war criminal who belongs behind bars. If anyone thinks he of all people will bring peace to the ME, that Sharon's hands are free of blood and he has the right to order assassinations of those deemed gulity of terrorism, then there will BE NO PEACE in the ME.

Lest we forget Sharon's trail of terrorism (there's plenty more where these from):

http://www.counterpunch.org/sharon.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon
http://www.indictsharon.net/

[AP]

7. Bush is doing this to drive up the profits on oil in the waning days of...

...fossil fuels.

Decent people with consciences and souls would be promoting solar power. The evil people are promoting wars.

[54anickel]

11. He certainly states a very valid point -

He added that to stand any chance of progress in the Middle East, the international community needed to be clear about the different reasons for their involvement in the region.

"We have to sort out the cards again - the war on terror, the question of Palestine, the question of Iraq, the question of Afghanistan, WMD (weapons of mass destruction), Iran.

"It is such a hotch-potch at the present time that I'm afraid the making of a third world war is actually taking place in front of our very eyes."

snip>
He called on all those involved in that part of the world to form a conference, saying what the region needed was "a Versailles for the Middle East".

[hang a left]

12. We live in such frightening times.

I fear for my children.

[mmonk]

14. Its times like this

we need a leader, not a warrior. I can't for the life of me figure out why people want all this.

[saigon68]

34. The clueless Sock-Puppet a Warrior?

Because they (the great unwashed) need some excitement in their drab lives. These people watch large breasted women in small bikinis wallow in chicken FAT and eat Maggots raw on TV reality shows.

[Magleetis]

29. Bring it on

lets just get it over with and kill everyone on earth. Seems to me that is the goal of the * administration. The earth will then regenerate and maybe a new, more intelligent race of humans will evolve. I fear there is little hope for us. Kill kill kill kill kill!