Titan: Nasa scientists discover evidence 'that alien life exists on Saturn's moon'

[Bolo Boffin]

Source: UK Telegraph

Researchers at the space agency believe they have discovered vital clues that appeared to indicate that primitive aliens could be living on the planet.

Data from Nasa's Cassini probe has analysed the complex chemistry on the surface of Titan, which experts say is the only moon around the planet to have a dense atmosphere. They have discovered that life forms have been breathing in the planet’s atmosphere and also feeding on its surface’s fuel.

Astronomers claim the moon is generally too cold to support even liquid water on its surface.

The research has been detailed in two separate studies.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7805069/Titan-Nasa-scientists-discover-evidence-that-alien-life-exists-on-Saturns-moon.html

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Wow.

[Zenlitened]

1. New Cassini Findings Show Possible Signs of Methane-Based Life on Titan

From Popular Science:

Something is consuming hydrogen and organic molecules on Saturn's moon Titan, and the recipe matches astrobiologists' theories about possible methane-based life. Granted, there may be other chemical explanations -- it's just that no one knows what they are yet.

New data from the Cassini spacecraft show hydrogen is disappearing near Titan's surface. What's more, scientists have not been able to find acetylene, an organic molecule that should be pretty abundant in the moon's thick atmosphere.

All this fits very nicely with a theory from NASA astrobiologist Chris McKay, who proposed five years ago that microbial life on Titan could breathe hydrogen and eat acetylene, producing methane as a result.

Scientists emphasize that the findings are not proof of life, and there's plenty of work to do before non-biological causes can be ruled out.

More:
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-06/new-cassini-findings-hint-methane-based-life-titan

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. Oh great. Aliens that smell like farts.

Fat chance of diplomatic relations there...

[KoKo]

25. No! just humble cows...doing what they do afer a big grass munch down.

This will be great for discovery. Bovines that can be cloned and used in "Animal Farms," here on Earth when our own "Gene Pool" gives out after "over-cloning."

A great discovery...

[markbark]

38. Methane is odorless

Farts stink because of Hydrogen Sulfide.

[Kablooie]

84. Yeah but have you smelled the methane that comes out of aliens?

[markbark]

128. Chemical compounds

retain their properties regardless of source.
Methane is methane whether it comes out of a cow or ET.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

129. .

:spray:

[begin_within]

41. They'd fit right in with the Bush clan.

[calimary]

71. LOL!

No kidding!

[JanusAscending]

52. Good one Bro!!

n/t

[crikkett]

98. you just wait until we set up the sulfur-sands Mars base

There's more sulfur on Mars than anywhere on Earth, including the stinkiest acres of Yellowstone.

[James48]

4. Road trip?

ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT TITAN.


ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.

[Captain Boomerang]

49. klaatu barada nikto

We can't even get along with our own species and now we have located another to mess with.

Maybe the governor of Arizona can be the intergalactic liaison for alien affairs.

[breadandwine]

63. If there's life on Titan that's the THIRD location of life in our solar system

because life is already strongly suspected on MARS since there is seasonal production of methane on Mars. Mars has seasons because it tilts on its axis like Earth does. When a Martian hemisphere is experiencing summer, methane is released in some areas and then disappears in the winter, to return the next summer again. This happens alternately in both hemispheres when it is summer there.

In my view possible life on Titan greatly increases the argument that we should go to Mars, to find out if there is life there. We can get men to Mars a lot easier than Titan. This is huge.

Dr. Robert Zubrin formerly of Martin and Lockheed has been pushing Mars Direct, skipping the Moon and going straight to Mars which he has shown can be done on NASA's EXISTING budget in only ten years.


See this active discussion in GD now and please kindly post there too ----


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For 30 years we've been going around in circles and working on the "Space Station To Nowhere." For the same money we could be on Mars and do serious science instead of trying to figure out how to do calisthenics in low earth orbit.

[dencol]

89. The universe must be teeming with life.

I have seen UFO's on three different occasions, including the one at O'Hare where I actually saw a physical craft, rather than just lights. It seems there is life on three different bodies within our own solar system... just imagine what is in our galaxy!

[Cetacea]

104. You witnessed O'Hare? Care to provide more details?

I understand all of the airline employees were hushed up.

[dencol]

108. Well, not really.

Sorry... but it will eventually come out.

[zappaman]

113. lets have it come out now

why wait?

[inna]

116. Fascinating stuff one runs into on DU sometimes...

I actually half believe your post... since I've known people who had seen UFOs...

Wish you could tell us more...

[UndertheOcean]

3. This is news of colossal proportions , really ! I am dazed.

[aquart]

9. Yes, the universe will not be barren after our extinction.

Good news!

[athenasatanjesus]

34. That depends..do the methane people have a right wing?

Cause if so they are going the same place we are.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

97. and if they think their wants are above everything else's needs,

and they're infinitely fertile..........



Human History, parte le Deux.

[bdamomma]

40. hopefully they are smarter

[No Elephants]

107. What's the Internet abbreviation for "laughing and crying simultaneously?"

Is there an emote for that?

[LanternWaste]

123. There will be methane to carry on your legacy...

There will be methane to carry on your legacy...

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

81. BREAKING: RNC calls for drilling on Titan

Treehuggers be damned - BP is running out of fragile ecosystems to destroy

[1Hippiechick]

96. And unobtanium has been discovered there. n/t

[ZombieHorde]

101. The headline is misleading, NASA said there may be life on Titan.

NASA has not actually found anything yet.

[LanternWaste]

124. Prefaced with "evidence"

Prefaced with "evidence", allowing for possibility without absolute.

[The Wielding Truth]

5. "Possible," life. Anything is possible.

[Zenlitened]

6. It's the Sirens

That Vonnegut, he was a prophet!

[nolabear]

24. LOL! My reaction exactly!

[Gman]

51. More like...

[Orrex]

54. or The Game-Players (admittedly from a few years later)

Damn those Vugs!

[mac56]

59. ha! Exactly what I was thinking!

:thumbsup:

[WheelWalker]

76. +1.......

[autorank]

114. +1

Next The Telegraph will link these creatures to X-files;)

[onehandle]

7. 2010: The Year We Make Contact. It ain't Europa, but God bless Arthur C. Clarke. nt

[roamer65]

27. ALL OF THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT TITAN...

ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.

I miss Mr Clarke. A great man.

[breadandwine]

67. But we CAN land on Mars on NASA's EXISTING budget ----

••• Video - Mars Direct - settlement on Mars in 10 years within NASA's EXISTING budget •••


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8397882

[calimary]

70. Wow!

2010: The Year We Made Contact. A very cool movie! If only...

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

8. Thrilling!

Once again, Titan bears closer inspection.

Ultimately I hope that we'll find numerous incidents of water-based life throughout the solar system, but if we discover methane-based forms, we will have to conclude that the universe is fully teeming with life. Carbon-based, methane-based, it reminds me of something Woody Allen once said: "Being bisexual automatically doubles your chances of a date on Saturday night."

[Jackpine Radical]

53. Methane-based IS carbon-based.

Methane=CH4, if I correctly recall the minuscule amount of organic chem I absorbed a century or so ago.

[breadandwine]

68. And so does MARS bear closer inspection

since it also is suspected of having life and we can get there easier ----


••• Video - Mars Direct - settlement on Mars in 10 years within NASA's EXISTING budget •••


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8397882

[harry_pothead]

10. This is HUGE news!

For all of Saturns moons, I would have expected Enceladus.

[cstanleytech]

19. Assuming the findings bear fruit that to could happen, after all with

all of the impacts on those moons life for all we know could have landed on some of the other moons around saturn via the debris that gets ejected.

[Duer 157099]

11. What would really shock me would be

if they somehow discovered that there was NO other life anywhere else in the universe.

I take it as a matter of fact that life exists elsewhere in this universe and many times over. Finding it will be fun but it won't be earth shattering to me.

Those that take the opposite view are people I cannot relate to.

[GOPBasher]

14. That's true, but to actually FIND the life is monumental.

Of course life exists many times over among the trillions and trillions of star systems in the universe; statistics dictates this. However, to actually find life ourselves is pretty earth-shattering. We haven't been very far in this universe. And they're finding this right here in our own solar system. Sorry, but this excited me tremendously.

[Duer 157099]

21. What it really means is that life is MUCH more abundant than even I have imagined

I mean, if it's right next door, then it's alllllllllllll over the place. I mean, everywhere, at all stages of development.

The people who believe that only planet Earth contains life are the people I cannot understand at all. And there are plenty of them. It's scary.

[GOPBasher]

56. That's true. Usually religious fundamentalists would fall into that category.

A finding like this blows their entire world view into the water, but somehow they'll find a way to rationalize it.

[breadandwine]

72. Attempt no landings on Titan. Go to MARS -----

There is likely life there too since there is seasonal methane being produced ----


••• Video - Mars Direct - settlement on Mars in 10 years within NASA's EXISTING budget •••



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8397882



Go to Mars. Go directly to Mars. Do not pass the Moon. Do not pass Titan. Go directly to Mars.

[RoyGBiv]

12. Dearlord the Telegraph sucks ...

No, scientists didn't discover evidence that alien life exists on Saturn's moon. They have continued to accumulate evidence that may support the idea that a form of life could exist on that moon. There are, as the scientists involved in the study are quick to say, other processes that could result in the same set of phenomenon they are observing, and further studies will be necessary to rule those out.

And why did the Telegraph call it a "planet" in the first sentence? Titan is not a planet.

Anyway ...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19005-hints-of-life-found-on-saturn-moon.html

[Atticus]

13. "Alien life" also exists in Wasilla. nt

[breadandwine]

73. I've been saying that for some time. Alien life in Wassilla. Churning out maple syrup.

It's called the


SYRUP ALIEN.....

[provis99]

15. oh, another one of these "we've discovered aliens" jokes.

Every year, some group of scientists claims to have discovered aliens; remember when meteorites from space were supposed to show evidence of alien bacteria?

This baloney will blow over in a week.

[On the Road]

30. In All Fairness,

the "Martian bacteria" were not really proven either way. Since the remains are fossilized, it's not possible to do any experimentation.

[breadandwine]

74. The Martian meteorite is not the only evidence of life on Mars.

Now there is confirmed evidence of methane on Mars that appears seasonally in summer and disappears in winter in a given hemisphere. This is strong evidence of living microbes on the red planet. See more here ---



••• Video - Mars Direct - settlement on Mars in 10 years within NASA's EXISTING budget •••



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[neverforget]

16. Cool. Time to send a probe and find out.

[TheEuclideanOne]

17. I wonder what they taste like.

I sure hope this report is correct.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

31. becareful they might be listening!

[autorank]

115. "To Serve Man" -- seen from the Hubble amidst the Saturnian trogs

[TheEuclideanOne]

121. LOL

Yes, that is one of the classic episodes!

[autorank]

125. The stuff of nightmares

I thought, damn, we're such chumps;) Little did I know what I'd learn later in life.

[Blandocyte]

18. Telegraph is Great Britains Enquirer, no?

Anyway, this is America. We don't like us no aliens anyhow. Aintcha follerin the news from Arizona?

[Bolo Boffin]

20. Yes, but this was also posted at RichardDawkins.net

So I'm inclined to believe it.

Back in the day, I didn't believe in the first test tube baby until she was born, because I only saw the Enquirer reporting on the story. So I'm sympathetic to your stance. :D

[Prophet 451]

64. No

The Telegraph is one of the more respectable broadsheets, probably second only to the Times in respectability. The Enquirer equivelent is either The Sun or The Sport.

EDIT: Note that the above doesn't mean they're right. Even The Times gets hosed on occasion (most notoriously, the Hitler diaries hoax).

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

22. Finally. Intelligent life in the Solar System.

It's about time. :shrug:

[Bluebear]

47. +

[tucsonlib]

117. "And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,

'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth."


From "Galaxy Song"
by Monty Python

[autorank]

126. You're right. This place is looking like "They Live"

[chelsea0011]

23. Shouyld we send them a greeting with Stephen Hawking's return address?

[herbm]

26. Oh jeez, they'll be on Springer's show next: "My girlfren IS my baby daddy!"

[SoapBox]

28. We already have primitive aliens...called RushTurdLican'ts and TeaTalibanBaggers.

[calimary]

77. Talibaggers. And I'm still not convinced they are legitimate life forms.

[Wizard777]

29. Extremophiles. Interesting. Have they migrated to earth?

Is that where our extremophiles come from? Did our extremophiles migrate there from the ejecta of an asteroid stike on earth millions of years ago? Interesting. Very interesting.

[Lionel Mandrake]

32. What if they find out about us?

Once the Titanians have intercepted our TV programs, they will conclude that human beings are a menace to the solar system.

Titan's gravity is weaker than the Earth's. Therefore the Titanians can launch an armada more easily than we can. If interplanetary war breaks out, they will win and we will lose.

[Cetacea]

103. It's ok. They would probably know about these

[Lionel Mandrake]

122. Maybe.

On the other hand ...

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi1047461913/

[paparush]

33. Wish they liked oil and salt water. We could invite them over.

Yeah, I know. Unintended consequences, etc..

[Poll_Blind]

35. Don't mean to be a cynic but press releases like this always seem to come out...

...when they need more funding.

:shrug:

PB

[harun]

66. I hope we get more funding to explore the moons of Jupiter and Saturn. However

when looking at the evidence I find it to be extremely weak. Absence of Hydrogen and acetylene gas at surface. Obviously there are more explanations for that than just LIFE.

[daleo]

78. When don't they need more funding?

If your hypothesis was correct, similar announcements would come out on a monthly basis, as NASA is pretty well always in need of more funding.

[HomerRamone]

36. Gidney & Cloyd!

[AnnieBW]

37. Oh, so that's where that alien probe came from!

I thought it was from Uranus!

[Cleobulus]

39. This could be the single biggest discovery in all our history, if we can confirm it...

its possible that there is a non-biological reason for the readings they are receiving. At the very least it warrants sending another lander, possibly even a rover to Titan. If it is confirmed, then life is more tenacious and more varied that we ever imagined. Think of it, a completely different biochemistry, not needing liquid water, metabolizing hydrogen, possibly with no molecule even similar to DNA. And it could mean that life is a hell of a lot more common just in our Solar System, much less in the rest of the Universe.

[rbixby]

42. I, for one, welcome our new titanic overlords NT

[Jamastiene]

82. Same here. n/t

[time_has_come]

43. So the hydrogen is being used up at the surface, ergo there is life there?

This story isn't explained well enough to support the headline, imo.

[annabanana]

44. Whee.. This stuff gives me chills

(in a good way.. I love the surprises that life keeps sending)

[HughMoran]

45. Holy crap

First thread I've read in a long time that was shocking to me.

[Codeine]

46. This may very well be the most poorly-written story

in the entire history of journalism on this - and potentially any other - planet.

I'd say they should be ashamed, but the folks at the Torygraph lack that ability.

[Miss_Underestimated]

50. here is a link to the NASA press release - better to get it from the horse's mouth!

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/newsreleases/

[Peace Patriot]

94. Thank you for the link! nt

[humus]

48. Mr. Bean is going to the Moon

British newswire,BP's damage control team must have been up all night concocting this one.
All together now.
Must get story of Oil spill off of front page.
Must get story of Oil spill off of front page.
Must get story of Oil spill off of front page.
Must get story of Oil spill off of front page.

[Prophet 451]

65. No need for damage control

The British press have a notoriously short attention span.

[Ichingcarpenter]

83. This story came originally from New Scientist and NASA not Britain

Its big news and maybe bigger than you realize for life on Earth



http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19005-hints-of-life-found-on-saturn-moon.html

[Posteritatis]

109. This might actually win the day's "paranoid bullshit" award. (nt)

[XemaSab]

55. We'd better get over there and document them

before we drive them to extinction within three years of their discovery.

/drinking + cynicism

[Jamastiene]

80. My first thought was go ahead and put them on the Endangered Species list now.

Why wait? If we ever make contact with them, they'll be there all too soon anyhow. Why not just put them there to start with?

[Peace Patriot]

95. LOL! Especially with more corporate privatization of space travel!

The movie "Alien" gets more and more relevant--not the monstrous aliens that turn human flesh inside out kind of relevancy, but the LABOR CONDITIONS of space flight, the corporate PURPOSES of space flight and the EVIL intentions of the CORPORATE monster that is running things in space.

I despair at these evil alien monsters projected into Space. Alien life that is well along the evolutionary path will more than likely have analogs here--beautiful birds, friendly dolphins, dangerous-if-hungry tigers, weird, fragile, light-flashing whirligigs at the bottom of the sea, comedic monkeys, majestic redwood trees, busy vital bees, gentle deer, elephants that mourn their dead, gorillas that gaze at the sunset and heave sighs as day is done, fabulously innovative spiders, fabulously tenacious dung beetles, peach trees, garter snakes, dextrous octopuses and raccoons, etc. They will be wonders of adaptation existing in intricate ecological webs of life, as here. They won't likely be hideous, man-eating, giant, angry insects. These nightmarish HUMAN projections foster the view that Nature here, and Nature elsewhere, is evil and dangerous--an alienated view that is perhaps an artifact of our own evolution (development of the ability to transcend and manipulate Nature; development of consciousness; realization of our individual and collective power to literally move mountains and re-create the world to fulfill our every desire). But it's something we need to grow out of, if we are to survive our own manipulative power which has led to vast pollution of the Earth. We need to become true (not corporate-speak) stewards of the Earth--of life here and of life elsewhere if and when we discover it. And the problem with the collective power of corporate business is that IT has become a monster driven by greed and greed alone. This monster clearly destroys life itself--the web of life--not just hiring up death squads in Colombia, for instance, to rid Chiquita farms or Drummond coal mines of labor organizers, and not just slaughtering a hundred thousand innocent Iraqis to steal their oil, and not just selling poisonous toys and diets to children, but dumping monstrous oil slicks into vast areas of the sea, the coastlines and wetlands, killing everything in its path--killing present and FUTURE life, killing off the possibility of life, destroying the web of life itself.

And that will be the fate of alien life forms and their webs of life, if remote or human space travel is taken over by private interests, and not kept in the public sphere--the sphere wherein democracy can operate for the common good. THAT is the "message" of "Alien" that I am talking about. Putting to-be-discovered alien life forms on the Endangered Species List now will provide them with no more protection than the coho salmon, the spotted owl or the entire ecology of the Gulf coast currently have, given our LOSS of democracy to these monstrous, greed-driven, unaccountable, multinational corporate rulers.

[Tutankhamun]

57. I've always thought our view of what alien life may be like is too narrow.

Scientists often make statements such as, "There isn't any water or oxygen on that planet so life wouldn't exist there." We also have the strange habit of assuming that all life throughout the universe must be DNA-based. I'm certain life exists on other planets without water or DNA.

[alfredo]

58. They found a Starbucks

[gauguin57]

60. Paging George Noory!

Coast to Coast will be burning up the airwaves tonight.

[grahamhgreen]

61. Is that in the Bible?

[lovuian]

62. One more step closer to Disclosure

Now we see we are not the only life form in the Universe

[Desertrose]

106. Disclosure is getting closer.....

Time to wake up.

[old mark]

69. They just better not come to Arizona......nt

[Historic NY]

75. WHATS a primitive alien???

[Ichingcarpenter]

79. This news was posted in the Science Forum 2 days ago

DU has a damn good science forum

I wouldn't want this thread to be removed because of it because its damn important and our
alien microbe overlords wouldn't approve

DU link here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x67392

[StevieM]

85. The three most likely places to find ET life in the Solar System are Europa, Enceladus and Titan

Europa is a moon of Jupiter. Titan and Enceladus are moons of Saturn.

Steve

[Cetacea]

105. Europa.....

[northofdenali]

86. How can it be "alien lfe"

If it's in our own galaxy /universe?

OH! It must be from Mexico! :evilgrin:

[tinrobot]

87. The headline is misleading - Alien life COULD exist

It could be life or it could just be some funky chemistry.

Until they send a probe to do some hardcore tests, we won't know for sure.

[NNadir]

88. I miss the World Weekly News. n/t

[liberation]

90. Very misleading headline...

Good grief. They have discovered traces of possible organic compounds in a dynamic system. From there to "alien life" is a bit of a stretch.

[Hubert Flottz]

91. Send baseballs and hot dogs ASAP!

Do they have hearts and minds yet? Do they have any oil?

[RedCloud]

92. I say let's nuke them as our Bible does not allow for this!

[DetlefK]

93. No alien life needed to explain these phenomena

from wikipedia:
* Titan has great mass
* Titan has tectonic activity

from the article:
* hydrogen in Titan's atmosphere disappears at the surface
* less acetylene than expected on surface

For the hydrogen-problem, I dare to offer a different explanation: adsorption on Platinum
Hydrogen sticks really strong to Platinum and other metals (almost impossible to get it off) and the tectonic activity could deliver fresh Platinum to the surface.

And for the acetylene-problem: Nickel and Palladium
Acetylene is hydrated to Ethene and Ethane, when a chemical reaction with Hydrogen is possible and Nickel or Palladium are around as catalysts. (Actually this would also eat up Hydrogen.)

[guitar man]

99. Attempt no landings there

:D

[jmondine]

100. Send more Chuck Berry

[Odin2005]

102. Not that it should say "COULD exist", but this a AWESOME, nonetheless!!!

:woohoo:

[Zorra]

110. They've been colonizing earth for over a century.

They own all the major corporations that pollute the environment, and deliberately pollute the earth's atmosphere in order to re-create conditions on Titan. They have turned the primary life forms that inhabit earth into slaves that are dependent upon the production and transportation processes that produce the life-sustaining toxins (petroleum, carbon monoxide, and CO2) necessary for life to Titanian life forms.

Soon, after the ocean water turns into a petroleum based sludge compound through a chemical reaction from the BP oil spill, the water and air on earth will be so toxic that all life on the planet will die, except for the Titanian colonists and the seed food sources that they brought with them from Titan.

The Titanians comprise a sigificant proportion of the wealthy elite that control the global economy, and have used their enormous economic power to compromise high ranking political figures by promising them eternal life. They have purchased major media outlets, such as Fox News, to control the minds of ignorant humans so that they will serve the Titanians by promoting talking that are contrary to all scientific evidence, such as the arguments that global warming is a hoax, that nuclear energy production is far more desirable than solar or wind energy production, and that offshore drilling is completely foolproof and safe.

(BTW, I'm from the world that might be called "Panamoria" in your English language. I am here only to observe and learn, but, due to the dire nature of your circumstances, I am making a judgment call and invoking the one exception allowed in the protocol of the prime directive in order to bring you this message, so that you whose minds are still free might unite and make a last desperate attempt to rid yourself of the Titanians.

I know you believe this warning to be fictional. But I ask you to simply examine the evidence.

Get rid of the Titanians now, or you will be, literally, toast.

[WinstonSmith4740]

111. Damn!

OK, and I just finished reading "2001" again. And I mean like 20 minutes ago. This is just a little too weird.:tinfoilhat:

[saras]

112. Just trash...

As likely as not they'll find that one of our previous probes crashed there and contaminated the place...

[Cleobulus]

118. Uhm, the Huygens probe is the only one we sent to Titan's surface...

And the only spacecraft that even went out as far as Saturn are Cassini(carried Huygens), Pioneers 10 and 11, and Voyagers 1 and 2, all are accounted for, and 4 of them are no where near Titan, or anywhere else in the Solar System, for that matter.

[S_E_Fudd]

119. If it is a primitive form of life it is methane based...

Which is what these results would point to if true...obviously there are no methane based life forms on earth...so no...Huygens didn't contaminate Titan...

Having said that they are a long way from proving that life forms are responsible for these results.

[get the red out]

120. To find just a microbe would be great

I don't care if it is microbial, it would have the potential for our ignorant human race to wake up and realize that we just aren't everything in the universe. It would also be great to shove in the faces of the theocrats.

[Javaman]

127. This just in...

right wing x-tians sending missionaries to Titan.

[apnu]

130. very misleading headline

Not your fault Bolo. The article stresses that life on Titan maybe the cause of the findings, and it may not. However the headline makes it sound like NASA is pretty definitive on the issue.

Must have been a slow news day for the Telegraph

[REP]

131. Winston Niles Rumfoord and Kazak?