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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:01 AM
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Venezuela's ombudswoman: Nobel Prize to Obama is a mockery of human rights
Source: El Universal

"The Nobel Peace Prize for Barack Obama, the president of the United States, is a mockery of human rights," said on Friday Gabriela Ramírez, the Venezuelan Ombudswoman.

"It is confusing and difficult to understand the fact that (Barack) Obama, who is the leader of a government that has legitimized torture to obtain information and presides over a country that has no human rights institutions, has been awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize (...) This award is a mockery of human rights," she said.

Ramírez told TV show Despertó Venezuela (Venezuela awoke), broadcast by state-run TV network Venezolana de Televisión, that the US president should apologize to the countries where it has perpetrated genocides, before being awarded a Nobel Prize, state-owned news agency ABN reported.

Ramírez recalled that Obama's administration has reactivated the Fourth Fleet in the Caribbean Sea and is deploying seven military bases in Colombia, near the border with Venezuela, that affect the sovereignty and peace in South America.

The ombudswoman said: "The Nobel Peace Prize is symbolically awarded to someone who works for peace. The top representative of a military power can not be awarded this Prize."

Early on Friday, the Norwegian Nobel Committee said Obama was awarded the Peace Prize for his extraordinary efforts to promote nuclear disarmament and his new willingness to attack growing environmental problems.

Read more: http://english.eluniversal.com/2009/10/09/en_pol_esp_venezuelas-ombudswo_09A2873731.shtml
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:03 AM
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1. this thread is going to be interesting to say the least.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:07 AM
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2. I wonder what her DU username is
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 05:30 PM
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26. LOL!
Exactly!
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:07 AM
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3. she'd be more credible if what she said made any sense
Obama did not preside over the legitimization of torture in the US, and last I heard he was putting a stop to it.

No human rights institutions? Well there's the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and our court system, and where our court system fails, there are many non governmental orgs that will take up a human rights cause. To name just two, the Innocence Project and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

She makes other points that may be worthy of discussion, but ... back to my subject line.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:19 AM
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4. I see her point, and she goads us to do better. And we should.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:13 AM
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14. And, she makes it much more difficult for freepers to call Obama a socialist Chavista
More freeper heads imploding :rofl: That's a good thing :rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 04:01 PM
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22. I know! LOL!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 04:03 PM
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23. What she says makes perfect sense. Maybe you read it too quickly.
I don't know that I agree with her but her point is obvious.

The day Obama got the award, the people whom we kicked off of Diego Garcia were still protesting the theft of their home. We were still funding the Honduran coup and making plans to escalate an unwise, unwinnable war on Afghanistan. We've got a long way to go.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:19 AM
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5. She's right about the Fouth Fleet. Apparently it's a parting gift from W (activated in 2008)
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 09:25 AM by thunder rising
http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=36606
"This is a significant change and presents us the opportunity to garner the right resources for the missions we run for Southern Command," said Rear Adm. James W. Stevenson Jr., Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command (NAVSO). "As a numbered fleet, we will be in a better position to ensure the Combatant Commander has the right assets available when needed."


Do we have a combat fleet that patrols Canada?
Is there a disparity in our fundamental view of our South American neighbors?
Does the Pentagon view South America as a virtual colony and hence a playground?
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:22 AM
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6. She misses the point
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 09:24 AM by Christa
and I quote from the link in the OP:

Early on Friday, the Norwegian Nobel Committee said Obama was awarded the Peace Prize for his extraordinary efforts to promote nuclear disarmament and his new willingness to attack growing environmental problems.


ETA this message from Michael Moore:

P.S. Your opposition has spent the morning attacking you for bringing such good will to this country. Why do they hate America so much? I get the feeling that if you found the cure for cancer this afternoon they'd be denouncing you for destroying free enterprise because cancer centers would have to close. There are those who say you've done nothing yet to deserve this award. As far as I'm concerned, the very fact that you've offered to walk into the minefield of hate and try to undo the irreparable damage the last president did is not only appreciated by me and millions of others, it is also an act of true bravery. That's why you got the prize. The whole world is depending on the U.S. -- and you -- to literally save this planet. Let's not let them down.


*
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:58 AM
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11. America is poised to re-take its rightful place
People like this women are threatened, but what choice does the world have if they want the problems solved?

There is one country that leads the free world, and one man leads that country.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 04:34 PM
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24. The rightful place espoused by President Taft?
He said the American flag would fly from pole to pole because of our superiority of race.

The United States does not lead the free world, they seem to like to think they are superior though.

Venezuela is a leader in the Americas, and they have re-taken a rightful place, for the people of the Americas to decide their own destiny rather than be ruled by imperial powers and colonialist Europeans.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 05:08 PM
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25. What rightful place? We stole a resource-rich country from the Indians
& Mexicans,squandered those riches for the profit of a few & polluted the planet in the bargain. We've already bumbled away our misbegotten economic leadership. We still have a bloated military which, since providing real leadership in WWII, has proven useful mainly in perpetrating genocide & bankrupting our country. Manifest Destiny belongs in the history books in current political dialogue.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 08:28 PM
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29. "We"?
The people who did what you said are long dead.

Meanwhile, the people to whom it was done took it from others before them.

Google "Clovis Point People" for insight. Would you like to go back further? Look up what Cro-Magnons did to the Neanderthals.

There isn't a country on Earth whose history stands up to modern Western standards of interpretation. So we all owe each other, literally as well as figuratively. I prefer to pay my share through good karma and good works. ;)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 08:42 PM
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33. Actually, the people who continue to "do it" are all over our
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 08:46 PM by EFerrari
State Department, military and both houses of Congress. EX: The Honduran coup is being advised by these guys:



They're still at it, my friend. And I hope their karma bites.

Edit: Oops. I just realized these guys are all exes. But, you get the idea. :)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:29 PM
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36. They're up to their eyebrows in this one, too.
Did you ever see the photo a few weeks ago some people put up directly across from coup advisor Lanny Davis office? It was HUGE, and called him out for his bloody hands from the coup, if I remember it correctly.

Otto Reich immediately ran to the Miami Herald to run his denial he was responsible for helping to plan the coup, although Hondurans started naming him IMMEDIATELY, as soon as it happened. They are all hard at work trying to kill off everyone who doesn't back the genocidal criminals of their tiny oligarchies.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:40 PM
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37. This one! No, I missed it!
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 09:41 PM by EFerrari


This is awesome!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 08:31 PM
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30. Sad, and true. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 08:38 PM
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32. Um, Latin America did much better while Clinton and Bush
were preoccupied in the Middle East. The "free world" is a little more free in South America because of that.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:20 AM
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15. So true. NoBamaNobelers seem to have their own ideas about
the Nobel committee's guidelines and scream it loudly.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:44 AM
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17. very nice quote from mm nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:07 PM
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35. Thank you, Christa..I was just
going to post Michael Moore's "second thought" post on President Obama winning the NPP. Cross posted from GDP

by Michael Moore

Friends,

Last night my wife asked me if I thought I was a little too hard on Obama in my letter yesterday congratulating him on his Nobel Prize. "No, I don't think so," I replied. I thought it was important to remind him he's now conducting the two wars he's inherited. "Yeah," she said, "but to tell him, 'Now earn it!'? Give the guy a break -- this is a great day for him and for all of us."

I went back and re-read what I had written. And I listened for far too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do the same?

Michael Moore's diary :: ::
We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?

Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else.

All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since Reagan took office.

But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we just pack up our toys and go home.

So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters.

Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this:

The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.

Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad.

And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst global financial collapse since the Great Depression.

So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo is the least that you deserve.

One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was time for change.

Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you promised to do. We need it. The world needs it.

My prediction for the future? You become the first two-time winner of the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah!

<more>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8695710

Here is the President's reaction to "The Call to Action"..

Cha --

This morning, Michelle and I awoke to some surprising and humbling news. At 6 a.m., we received word that I'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009.

To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.

But I also know that throughout history the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.

That is why I've said that I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations and all peoples to confront the common challenges of the 21st century. These challenges won't all be met during my presidency, or even my lifetime. But I know these challenges can be met so long as it's recognized that they will not be met by one person or one nation alone.

This award -- and the call to action that comes with it -- does not belong simply to me or my administration; it belongs to all people around the world who have fought for justice and for peace. And most of all, it belongs to you, the men and women of America, who have dared to hope and have worked so hard to make our world a little better.


So today we humbly recommit to the important work that we've begun together. I'm grateful that you've stood with me thus far, and I'm honored to continue our vital work in the years to come.

Thank you,

President Barack Obama

Yes, this person does "miss the point".






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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:28 AM
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7. Thanks for sharing what the "glen beck nation" of international legitamcy thinks..
Like, of all the nations on this planet...I would guess Venezuela would be the least important and stable to take advice or criticism from.

Nice going Venezuela. You never fail to amaze me. The clown of international nations. You get "the glen beck award"...again.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:32 AM
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8. Is this a right wing newspaper or a people's newspaper?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:48 AM
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10. Seems to vary.
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 10:06 AM by dipsydoodle
Can't quite make them out. There are differing views coming out of Israel as well so I don't attach much importance to her what may be her own personal view.
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:04 AM
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13. Mix of center-right and center-left writers
But it's not a chavista newspaper. It has no particular problems with the government neither even if it's rather critical. Political divisions in Venezuela are more complex than right wing newspapers and people's newspapers. In any case, it's the only national newspaper that publishes spanish/english versions online.

Other major newspapers are Ultimas Noticias (leftist, more pro-government) and El Nacional (more left-wing than El Universal, traditionally center-left, pro-Chavez in 1998, anti-Chavez in 2009... has bigger problems with the government)
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 08:51 PM
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34. What difference does it make what kind of newspaper it is?
Either she said it or she didn't.
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ro1942 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:47 AM
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9. Who is the U.S.ombudsman?
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:58 AM
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12. And Venezuala earns most of its export income from oil.
They are part of the problem of the degradation of the climate of this planet.


Glass houses, stones, etc.....
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:34 AM
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16. Okay, so Hamas, the Taliban, Venezuela, and the Republican Party
all disapprove of Obama's Nobel Prize. What do these have in common?
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 01:16 PM
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19. Nothing, other than being critical of the prize being awarded to Obama.
Or: They're your favorite bogeymen?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 03:22 PM
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20. They're all run by lunatics. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 03:58 PM
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21. Add Naomi Klein, Glenn Greenwald, Mike Moore. nt
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seminal Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 05:42 PM
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27. Chavez agreed with Obama on the Honduras coup
Here we go with the new DNC logic again.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 08:33 PM
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31. The Taliban and the Republican Party
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 08:33 PM by sabrina 1
have some things in common, at least elements of the Republican Party. That doesn't include moderate Republicans but the fundamentalists and Rush Limbaugh far-right elements.

Venezuela is the complete opposite of both the Taliban and those extreme right elements of the Republican Party. Do you know anything about Venezuela btw? I don't mean the Fox News version of Venezuela. I'm asking because I can't imagine how anyone who has even an elementary knowledge of the country could place them in the same category as those you listed.

There IS a far right opposition in Venezuela that probably could be compared to the Limbaugh/Beck/Fundy Republicans, and, like that far right lunatic fringe here, share the same hatred for the Chavez government.

If you meant to compare the American far-right lunatic fringe to the Venezuelan far right opposition, that's a different story. Every country has them, we just seem to have more of them lately. But the Chavez government is a long way from being either far right or religious fundamentalist.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:47 AM
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18. When Bush was critisized...the right said...it was unpatriotic.
But we all knew what was going on was wrong.
When we critisize Obama for upholding Bush's policies..we are suddenly not good democrates.
If it was wrong for Bush..why is it now so alright when Obama does the same thing? He has expanded the wars..he has renewed the Patriot acts, he is still spying on us, he is still keeping the secret renditions..tell us please...
Except for some mighty fine speeches..WHAT has he done?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 05:59 PM
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28. Sounds like Chavez wanted it. n/t
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:43 PM
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38. I don't give a damn.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:01 PM
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39. ....
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