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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:18 AM
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CNN : Bushies Worried @JOBS

I can't believe my ears! I just heard a reporter say that the Bush staff "could not put a good face(or something of that nature) on their disappointment about the lack of job growth."

Did anyone else hear that clip?

The two reporters tried to explain how everything else in the economy indicates that the Jobs should be rising but they are not. The reporters tried so hard to put a good spin on the "bad" news but they just couldn't.

I loved every minute of it.

These jerks have tried to hide the fact that people are out of work. They say that outsourcing is a GOOD thing and our citizens are desperate to find a job to feed their families.

I think all the reporters that have been defending this economy should be replaced by someone in another country/someone younger that makes less money to give more profits to their network etc. for one week and it would be an entirely different story.

This "Let Them Eat Cake" Philosophy is terrible!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:20 AM
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1. Yep - just heard/saw it on cnn
What a great way to wake up - start my first "weekend" in a long time.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:25 AM
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2. Lou Dobbs has taken it to them about "jobless recovery" and outsourcing.
He's made a real statement about it on a number of occasions. I'm not usually fond of the editorializing that news has become, but the message has been good of late.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:31 AM
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4. Lou Dobbs has changed that line
from "jobless recovery" to "job LOSS recovery"
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:32 AM
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7. Lou Dobbs has caught my attention more than once lately
Lately, any time I flip through the channels and he is on CNN, he is assailing * or his corrupt administration on failing to admit the truth surrounding the economy. This has occurred about four different times in the past two weeks!

I don't know what DUers think about Dobbs...but he's on the mark in my book.

Can someone give me some input?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:55 AM
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12. IMHO, your observation about Dobbs is on the money....
...I don't know what's gotten into him, but I do know that he's very well-connected to Big Business. It could be that Dobbs is actually driving home the point that Big Business has lost faith in Junior and his fellow NeoCons.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:08 PM
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14. I think Dobbs has the long view...
US corporations aren't going to thrive if 280 million Americans can't afford, by virtue of no jobs or poorly paying ones with zero benefits, the products our companies produce, whether here or overseas. I think he sees that corporations have a fiduciary responsibility to the nation, not just the stockholders.

And he's pretty pissed about the deficit and that long term, it means increasing interest rates. The GOP no longer stands for economic conservatism, and that really rubs against the grain for people like Dobbs.
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Raenelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:32 PM
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22. I respect him, from what I've seen
I don't watch him that much. Occasionally, he'll really annoy me with some Rethuglican take on Unions, etc. But he is honest, responsible, and intelligent--not entirely trustworthy, because he is a Rethug by conviction and values, but he's knows a pig in a poke when he sees one, and intellectual integrity appears to be more important to him than power and the joy of winning.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:45 PM
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25. In some ways Lou Dobbs reminds me of Kevin Phillips.
They are conservatives, but they are principled conservatives. If the emperor is wearing no clothes, they won't pretend to see them. And I think Lou has a more pragmatic view of the economy than the guys who are in it just to make some fast bucks and then cut and run because they "got theirs", guys who can't care less about the economy or America in the long run.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:52 PM
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27. I've been watching
Dobbs for a while now. If you think he's pissed about jobs, you should have seen him take the administration to task over their proposed immigration policy.
He's a conservative, to be sure and he does not like the neocons. he's really giving it to them good on a nightly basis.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:27 AM
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3. But Jobs are being created in India, China
and at your local Walmart. Things could not be better.

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rfkrocks Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:32 AM
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5. Just like the WMD Intell-Our Financial Numbers
are a lie-oil is rising at a high rate- inflation is just begining to clip the wings of the economy-Lies,Lies, Lies-Our Media (the great liberal media-Yeah right) does no stories on the unemployed-part of your let them eat cake theology of the government/media-have you seen one human interest piece on who lost their jobs under King George?
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:32 AM
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6. The only thing that worries the Regime about jobs is
That they have not been eliminating enough of them fast enough to drive down US labor costs to the place where bu$h's contributors would like to see them.

:freak:
dbt
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:33 AM
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8. missed the clip but ....
I was shocked to read the other day here on the DU that foodstamp recipients are reaching India and Mexico when they call about their foodstamps. Is the gov't hiring these people and paying them I assume? :argh:

We need to keep the jobs here at home and create MORE jobs here ASAP.

Revoke NAFTA and the WTO!

America for the American people!!!



:dem: :kick:
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:36 AM
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9. Heard that the only reason for any growth in February was because
of increase in size of Government.The only hiring done was by government. The party that stands for reducing government can only claim success because of government increases. Kind of makes you wonder how these republicans can keep their heads up at all.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:14 PM
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20. I thought the GOP was about less government
and governmental intrusion into our lives--less taxes and whatnot---but it seems that they are all about government being all up in your cookie dough, taxes have gone up for most working Americans, and they want to be able to tell you what you can and cannot do with your body if you're a woman...

seems to me that they stand for exactly the opposite of what they claim---isn't that fraud?
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:43 PM
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24. It sure is fraud
and I think that's what I most hate about Repukes. What they say and what they do are usually polar opposites.

"Government out of your lives" = let's interfere in every intimate decision individuals make, but let corporations pollute, steal, cheat, and export jobs

"Clear Skies Initiative" = more pollution allowed, less accountability by polluting corporations

(In Minnesota) "Woman's Right to Know" = tell lies about the risks of abortion, force women into longer waiting periods, trying to scare them into keeping the pregnancy.

I could keep going on, but I'm just too sick of it all.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:44 AM
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10. He should be worried...
about his own job. My suggestion to him, start packing the bananas for the trip back to Crawford!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:03 PM
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13. Exactly "Their Jobs"
I say off with their heads, get out of Dodge - back to the ranch. Terrorize Laura and Lynne, not the world nor this nation no more. We don't need you or want you evil worthless bastards.
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Crachet2004 Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:45 AM
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11. I'll do Lou Dobbs job for minimum wage!
I probably have more education, and I know I'm better looking! Not bragging...just a fact.

I can sit there and read lies on cue with the best of them. Bet I could.

I'd have to laugh though...some of their horseshit is so ridiculous, I know I couldn't keep a straight face!

We are supposed to have this big, booming recovery with no private sector jobs created in February? How can that BE? Answer: It cannot.

They are lying about the recovery...and they are gonna get caught! My advice is go after the Labor Secretary first, as she is lying the worst...and I haven't forgotten her pamphlet on how to screw people out of overtime.

Then drill on whoever is in charge of that patently false inflation number...

They have lied and manipulated the govt. statistics so much they cannot escape being caught.
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:05 PM
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23. OK I understand your point
but Lou Dobbs was not the subject of this original thread, nor presenting facts to make viewers believe that the economy is rosy and cheery. In fact, he is on "our" side of seeing the realities of joblessness, poverty, rising inflation, and weakening dollar.

It's interesting to note that he is also on the side of pursuing the real criminals of corporate malfeasance. He posts the Enron Scoreboard which tells how many Enron criminals have been sentenced, how many other corporate criminals have been sentenced, and the number of days since the scandal broke into the news.

This is good. This shows some of the hypocrisy of our government when they hunt down petty criminals such as Martha instead of the Jeffrey Skillings and Ken Lays of the world.

Are we talking about the same Lou Dobbs?

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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:09 PM
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15. As long as jobs don't continue to grow,
Bushco doesn't have a re-election campaign. Americans are going to vote on domestic issues. As much as Bush has trashed our image abroad and opened Pandora's Box in Iraq, I've always felt that he will be most vulnerable on problems right here at home.

I also believe that Bushco has lied about unemployment numbers. No way is it only 5% currently. It's probably double that. Also don't forget discouraged workers who have quit looking for a job and the many workers who never qualified for unemployment insurance. There are probably hundreds of thousands who have taken lower-paying jobs just to stay afloat.

So what on earth can the man brag about? I believe, and the ghoulish commercials proved it this week, that he's going to capitalize on Terror. Fear. More of it to come. Don't expect him to protect you, but count on more.

That's about all he can say about the last 4 years, because he has devastated everything within his reach.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:15 PM
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16. They are worried...and rightly so.

I have been debating with freeper types on another board, and usually their answers are predictable (insults mostly, RNC talking points for the rest), but they are mum, and I mean MUM, on this report.

They don't know what to say. Maybe some of them will wake up, but I'm not holding my breath.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:22 PM
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18. Don't worry they are awake. They are just hoping that no one else does n/t
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:19 PM
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17. They're worried about jobs alright.............THEIRS!
eom
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:22 PM
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19. Henry Ford and high worker wages........
Paraphrase: "If I don't pay my workers, who will buy my cars?" US is headed for crash and burn. Debt-funded consumerism with zero chance of repayment. Middle-class is teetering on the brink while poorer folk have just plain given up! My insurance decductibles and co-pays have risen so high its almost cheaper too live without coverage (and pray I don't break a tooth or other body-part!) The national polarization proceeds apace.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:31 PM
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21. Right
We have good insurance but the cost has gone sky high this year and we have to pay almost double what we did last year for prescription meds and double for an office visit. It's just insane and driving us to the poor house.:-(
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:47 PM
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26. Reality Check: Jobs, George & John [Good Material from CBS]
Reality Check: Jobs, George & John

In fact, during Mr. Bush's first three years in office, the economy lost about 2.3 million jobs, according to one survey by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. By comparison, the economy gained about 8.5 million jobs in President Clinton's first three years in office.

The numbers look even worse on closer inspection. Of the 8.3 million people who were unemployed this January, 1.9 million had been out of work at least 27 weeks, almost triple the number when Mr. Bush entered office.

If you add up the officially unemployed, part-timers, folks who left the labor force and those who stopped looking for work, some 15 million people who say they want full-time jobs lack them. That figure is up 38 percent since Mr. Bush became president.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:53 PM
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28. Long term jobless at 20 year high
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 04:17 PM
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29. They are creating the next Great Depression.
Or the next Civil War. Or both.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 04:17 PM
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30. Tee hee. Let * & Co. piddle their pants over this !!
n/t

:evilgrin:
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 04:43 PM
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31. from post 26, isn't this the KEY statistic?
If you add up the officially unemployed, part-timers, folks who left the labor force and those who stopped looking for work, some 15 million people who say they want full-time jobs lack them. That figure is up 38 percent since Mr. Bush became president.

the whole idea of not being considered unemployed if one has GIVEN UP looking for a job is beyond ludicrous....smacks of catch-22 reasoning

yesterday's Chicago Trib (right wing all the way, editorially) had a front page, headline story about this

they focused on a 46 year old guy from Crystal Lake, tech support, computer guy (defense industry) who's been out of work for over a year, and can't even get a job at Home Depot or Menard's because he made TOO MUCH money at his old job, and they're afraid to hire him, then lose him as soon as something better comes along

you KNOW that this is a very typical story

Trib also went into how many more well-educated, older, longer-employed workers are getting nailed, and how much LONGER they're staying unemployed...worst long-term unemployment since 1983.
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