7 arrested in North Carolina on terrorism charges

[laststeamtrain]

Source: LA TIMES

7 arrested in North Carolina on terrorism charges

The men, all but one of whom are U.S. citizens, conspired to wage jihad overseas, according to a federal indictment. The men honed their weapons skills in rural areas of the state, authorities said.

By Josh Meyer
July 28, 2009

Reporting from Washington -- Federal authorities in North Carolina on Monday arrested seven men who they said had trained with high-powered weapons as part of a terrorist conspiracy to wage an Islamic holy war overseas.

The men -- including a father who, authorities said, trained in jihad camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and his two sons -- sought to provide material support to terrorists and to murder, kidnap, maim and injure people overseas, according to a seven-count federal indictment. The indictment did not allege that the group was plotting attacks on U.S. soil.

If convicted, the suspects, all but one of whom are U.S. citizens, could face life in prison.

At least some of the men were willing to die as martyrs, according to the indictment, which described a plot that began in 2006 and lasted until earlier this month. It said that the North Carolina residents had raised donations to support their training and had recruited and radicalized others -- "mostly young Muslims or converts to Islam, to believe . . . the idea that violent jihad was a personal obligation on the part of every good Muslim."

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-terrorism-arrests28-2009jul28,0,3376969.story

[ccharles000]

1. k/r

[NoSheep]

2. It took HOW MANY years to get evidence to arrest these people?

I'm calling bullshit.

[NoSheep]

4. They did all this to hurt people "overseas" ??? If they hate America so much,

why didn't they just go down to the new convention center and set off a fucking bomb? When are people going to get it???? These so called terrorists are figments of the propaganda machine. Here! Here's a good one: The Tooth Fairy says you are all a bunch of idiots.!!! Can I get that on Page One?


:think:

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. why didn't they just go down to the new convention center and set off a fucking bomb?

They don't want to do us any favors.

[NoSheep]

31. I think that's funny! I DO like the tree picture on the side though

:+

[indepat]

17. From some accounts, it would seem this is what the CIA has done with impunity for over 60 years

:P

[laststeamtrain]

5. All kinds of bullshit. n/t.

[Pavulon]

11. Go to wral, (local)

links to his facebook page. They also got firearms charges. Some of these guys have existing criminal records.

.com/news/local/story/5668540/

[No Elephants]

24. Didn't they say the NJ corruption case took 10 years? Crooks can make--and bury--

an awful lot of money in that time, and also do an awful lot of damage to innocent people in that time.

[lurky]

3. They save the interesting part for the end:

...

Daniel Patrick Boyd once fought in Afghanistan and trained in guerrilla camps there and in Pakistan, the indictment said.

But, it added, he did so between 1989 and 1992 in an effort to fight the occupation of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union.

...

[NoSheep]

6. Oh: ding ding ding.

[Roland99]

9. Wish we could rec replies, too.

:-)

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. That caught my eye, too.

From Wikipedia:
The initial Soviet deployment of the 40th Army in Afghanistan began on December 24, 1979.<2> The final troop withdrawal began on May 15, 1988, and ended on February 15, 1989.

It helps to get your timelines straight.

He's 39 now. That means he either joined up with the CIA - er, Taliban AFTER the soviets left Afghanistan in 89, when he was 19, or he joined up and fought the Soviets while he was still an even younger teenager. Either way, they got the facts WRONG.

If it happened at all.

[Rottenmac]

7. Well ...ok....

Here's my worthless 2 cents.

If he did train and fight waaay back against the Russians, then he might see this as just another occupation. But what I take into consideration is...

Think how the SPLC rates various hate groups. Think about how in times of dire need and an ugly, drawn-out recession it is EASIER for them to recruit. If it's easier to recruit because of their dire financial need, feelings of worthlessness and general frustration; Isn't it possible for a muslim family, especially with a member who fought waaay back when... Isn't it possible for them to become more radicalized, but with the ugly spectre of 'jihad'? (I really hate that word BTW, and the fact it has become a part of our discourse as well as a mainstay of what we hear only about muslims. I find it the equivalent of muslims using 'crusade' when speaking about christians. Galvanizing and it trivializes the discussion.)

I'm just asking. I would hope that it took this long to get really solid evidence, not something so trivial as 'He said terr-ah in the Piggly Wiggly LETS ARREST HIM NOW!'

On the other hand, it might be a lot more bluster than anything and they are trying to make a case out of little or nothing.

that's 2 cents from a lurker since '01 (I've rarely posted, but I read voraciously, esp. Nance Greggs. she's teh awesome !!11!!!1)

[western mass]

8. More fake "terror plots".

More change we can believe in, huh?

[Pavulon]

10. Are we at church..

you dont have to believe it. However there are firearms charges in the indictment. The kind that get you years in prison.

[zbdent]

12. my first thought was "Dobson family road trip"?

[HopeHoops]

13. I wonder if FOX will even mention this...

If Bush was still in office, this is all they would talk about for days. Now that we have a Democrat in office, do you think it will even be a blip?

[laststeamtrain]

14. AP: 7 NC men charged as international "jihad" group

7 NC men charged as international "jihad" group
By MIKE BAKER, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 11 mins ago

RALEIGH, N.C. – A North Carolina father who led an unobtrusive rural life as a drywall contractor had militant roots dating back to 1980s Afghanistan and Pakistan and secretly led a U.S. group plotting international terrorism, federal prosecutors said.

Daniel Patrick Boyd, 39, was arrested Monday with his two sons and four other North Carolina men. Prosecutors accused them of military-style training at home and plotting "violent jihad" through a series of terror attacks abroad.

Authorities believe Boyd's roots in terrorism run deep. They said when he was in Pakistan and Afghanistan from 1989 through 1992, he had military-style training in terrorist camps and fought the Soviets, who were ending their occupation of Afghanistan.

Prosecutors say Boyd's time in Pakistan also included terrorist training that he brought back to North Carolina, where over the past three years he recruited followers willing to die as martyrs waging jihad — the Arabic word for holy war.

Prosecutors would not detail what the group was targeting overseas. An indictment said they provided money, training, transportation and men to help terrorists. Boyd and some of the others traveled to Israel in June 2007 intending to wage "violent jihad," but returned home without success, the document said. ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_nc_terror_arrests

[RamboLiberal]

18. Pic of this guy is interesting

Not exactly what you'd expect for a jihadist - proves the danger in relying strictly on profiling. He looks more like someone I'd expect to be in the KKK. BTW saw breaking news they are looking for an 8th member.

[PassingFair]

20. Daniel Patrick Boyd....WTF?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32182241/ns/us_news-security/

Two sons:

Two of his sons, Zakariya Boyd, 20, and Dylan Boyd, 22


Zakariya and DYLAN?


WTF?

This guy looks like all the guys I went to high school with.

:rofl:

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

19. Why didn't they simply join Swampwater (or is that Zeeeee)?

Brain defective morans... :shrug:

[Subdivisions]

21. Nice how they can come down on guys in the NC woods but they

couldn't stop 9/11.

[struggle4progress]

22. It's Bushista dead-ender George E.B. Holding again:

... U.S. Attorney George E.B. Holding told The Associated Press on Tuesday that authorities hope to soon apprehend an eighth person described in an indictment unsealed a day earlier. The person's name is redacted from court papers ...
AP NewsBreak: Feds: NC terror suspect sought
By MIKE BAKER (AP) – 2 hours ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gHM9ORF1GLmgcoCTTD3i3bLRBk-wD99NHIJ80

... U.S. Attorney George E.B. Holding would not say who the suspect was or where authorities were searching but said the public is not in danger. "Federal authorities hope to have him apprehended shortly," Holding said ...
8th man sought in suspected North Carolina terror group allegedly run by Daniel Patrick Boyd
BY Stephanie Gaskell
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/28/2009-07-28_pakistan_case_nearly_cost_us_terror_suspect_limbs.html

... "These charges hammer home the point that terrorists and their supporters are not confined to the remote regions of some far away land but can grow and fester right here at home," said George E.B. Holding, the U.S. attorney for eastern North Carolina ...
U.S. charges seven with plotting attacks overseas
Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:02pm EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE56Q5NG20090727

[Flaneur]

23. There's a long tradition of Americans going off to fight in civil wars.

Were the Lincoln Brigades terrorists?

What about the handful of Americans who joined and fought with the FMLN in El Salvador?

What about all those Albanian-Americans who went back home to "liberate" Kosovo?

[24601]

26. Or all those who fought for the Confederacy? n/t

[RamboLiberal]

25. F.B.I. Watched Terror Suspects for Three Years

The F.B.I. watched Daniel Patrick Boyd for three years as he stockpiled rifles and revolvers, trained accomplices including his two sons, and planned to commit terrorist attacks overseas, before agents arrested the group in coordinated raids on Monday afternoon, according to a federal indictment filed in the case.

Mr. Boyd, his sons and four other men were charged with providing material support to terrorists and planning terror attacks. They apparently did not succeed in carrying out any attacks. An eighth man was still being sought in the case, according to a spokeswoman for federal prosecutors in Raleigh, N.C.; The Associated Press reported that he may be in Pakistan.

More than 100 law enforcement officials, including four S.W.A.T. teams and a hostage rescue team from Quantico, Va., stormed several homes in arresting the seven suspects on Monday afternoon, according to an F.B.I. spokeswoman, Amy Thoreson. “With what they are accused of planning, we wanted to take every precaution,” she said.

Detention hearings are scheduled for the men on Thursday, Ms. Thoreson said. The location where they are being held was not disclosed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/us/29terror.html?_r=1&hp

[laststeamtrain]

27. Conflicting portrait of NC terror suspect emerges "he's the nicest terrorist I ever met in my life"

Conflicting portrait of NC terror suspect emerges
By MIKE BAKER, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 26 mins ago

RALEIGH, N.C. – Daniel Boyd may have spent the past three years traveling to the Middle East, secretly buying guns and training for jihad with a group of aspiring terrorists as federal authorities claim, but people on his cul-de-sac said Tuesday he also made plenty of time to be a good neighbor.

The 39-year-old drywall contractor and his wife were family oriented, always quick to help with gardens and treehouses and raised well-mannered kids, neighbors said a day after the FBI arrested Boyd and six others, accusing the men of planning to kidnap, kill and maim people abroad.

"If he's a terrorist, he's the nicest terrorist I ever met in my life. I don't think he is," said Charles Casale, 46, a neighbor in Willow Spring who recently got pointers on planting vegetables from the Boyds.

Federal investigators said Boyd was the ringleader of a small North Carolina-based terrorist group, involved in three years of nefarious international travel, gun buys and military-style training trips. Authorities claim the group, including an eighth suspect believed to be in Pakistan, were gearing up for a "violent jihad," though prosecutors haven't detailed any specific targets or timeframe.

Prosecutors said Boyd received terrorist training in Pakistan and brought the teachings back to North Carolina, where over the past three years he recruited followers willing to die as martyrs waging jihad — the Arabic word for holy war.

Frustrated by Raleigh-area mosques that were too moderate, Boyd started breaking away this year to hold prayers in his home, prosecutors said. In the last two months, he took two group members to private property in north-central North Carolina to practice military tactics and use weapons.

<more>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090729/ap_on_re_us/us_nc_terror_arrests

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

28. the 8th man they are looking for, may be an FBI informant....

(I listened to Amy Goodman this morning on the infiltration of peace groups, and anarchist groups. Why not every other group too.)

[Devil_Fish]

29. Training them over here so we don't have to train them over there...NT

[gimama]

34. thanks, I needed a laugh!

this story is so wrong, on SO many levels.(see my post?)
Thanks for the smile!

[laststeamtrain]

30. Israel stopped NC jihad suspect's family in 2007 (it gets curiouser & curiouser)

Israel stopped NC jihad suspect's family in 2007

By MIKE BAKER, Associated Press Writer Mike Baker, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 5 mins ago

RALEIGH, N.C. – Israel denied entry two years ago to members of a North Carolina family that includes three men accused of plotting to execute terror attacks in foreign countries, an official said Wednesday.

Daniel Boyd, 39, spent three years traveling to the Middle East, secretly buying guns, and leading a group of men planning to kidnap, kill and maim people abroad, according to charges in an indictment released Monday. His family's travels caught the attention of authorities in Israel two years ago, when they denied members of his family entry to the country, an Israeli security official told The Associated Press. ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090729/ap_on_re_us/us_nc_terror_arrests

[gimama]

32. PLEASE! see the video at cnn

of Mrs.Boyd interview, her being "tricked by the fbi" ..this is a DISGUSTING abuse of power, misuse of resources, DESSIMATION of OUR Constitutional RIGHTS. I am furious at this. Please help me bring this to msm awareness, this is much bigger than the nonsense they're giving air-time to, today.
Sorry, I don't know how to post the video here, it's at www.cnn.com

[gimama]

33. it's in the "crime" section

heck,yeah, an fbi crime against the American PEOPLE!

[Thickasabrick]

35. Thanks for posting this. I had just seen it and wanted to alert people

to it. I think this whole case smells to high heaven. Major bullshit happening.

[gimama]

37. You're Welcome! Please share it !

YES, it STINKS..
They *knew* this Woman's son died in a car wreck 2 yrs. ago?
So, they show up at her door,"covered in blood", to say "there's been another accident", involving her husband & 2 other sons???
So, she goes to the hospital, is detained & questioned FOR HOURS, not knowing if her loved Ones are dead or alive???
So their HOME can be searched,for hours, "undeterred"????
This is SICK. Sick, sadistic, & bizarre.
THIS is a crime against the American PEOPLE & OUR Constitutional RIGHTS. I'm just furious at this.
Yes! Please DO share this abuse of power..it deserves attention & LIGHT.

[fascisthunter]

36. smells funny, this article

[Devil_Fish]

38. This caught my eye:

"The indictment makes no reference to a direct threat to individuals or property in the United States, but said the men had practiced military tactics in a North Carolina county that borders Virginia."

Probably avid paint ball players.