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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 02:13 PM
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Honduras in crisis over president re-election bid
Source: Swissinfo

TEGUCIGALPA (Reuters) - The Honduran supreme court barred President Manuel Zelaya from ousting the military chief of staff on Thursday after the army refused to help him run an unofficial referendum on extending his mandate, escalating a constitutional crisis.

Zelaya fired Gen. Romeo Vasquez, who heads the armed forces, and accepted the defence minister's resignation late on Wednesday, saying the shake-up was due "to a crisis caused by some sectors that have promoted destabilisation and chaos."

But the supreme court reversed the president's decision arguing the move was unconstitutional and reinstated Vasquez ahead of Zelaya's referendum scheduled for Sunday.

<snip>

Zelaya has moved the impoverished Central American country closer to Venezuela's socialist President Hugo Chavez since taking power in 2006. He is organizing the referendum to change the constitution to let him run for a second term, following similar moves by leftist allies in Latin America, but it holds no legal weight after a court ruled it invalid.


Read more: http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Honduras_in_crisis_over_president_re_election_bid.html?siteSect=143&sid=10881376&cKey=1245980329000&ty=ti



Zelaya: Socialist hero, dictatorial zero, or something else?
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 02:59 PM
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1. Hmm, no responses. What if I said Michael Jackson's doc was hiding there?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 03:52 PM
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2. Going purely from the information in that article
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 03:53 PM by muriel_volestrangler
(because I have to admit I've never heard of the man before), I'd say the president's out of line. The military isn't there to run 'unofficial' referenda. You want the constitution changed, you use whatever method it specifies. You may think it's not good for the country, but a lot of people in the US think the electoral college isn't good for the country, but it's specified in the constitution, so they have to grin and bear it.

Updates:

Many shops and gasoline stations were closed Friday in the capital, Tegucigalpa, after the city's leading business chamber advised its members to stay shut for fear of disturbances. Some schools closed and supermarkets were filled with panic buyers.

The president led thousands of supporters to the country's main airport, where they seized referendum ballots to keep them from being destroyed at court order.

Then he returned to the presidential palace and lashed out at Congress early Friday for plans to investigate his mental stability and possibly declare him unfit to govern. Lawmakers are also investigating whether Zelaya undermined the rule of law by refusing to abide by a Supreme Court order reinstating the military chief he fired.
...
Sunday's referendum has no legal effect: it merely asks people if they want to have a later vote on whether to convoke an assembly to rewrite the constitution. Opponents fear Zelaya and his backers would use that assembly to take drastic steps, from dissolving Congress to invalidating the results of the Nov. 29 presidential elections.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilB4EYZ3kF-s2I4kUt5k-8AT6_yAD992FJTO2


UN chief Ban Ki-moon urged restraint in Honduras Friday, amid rising political unrest there over an upcoming constitutional referendum, his press office said Friday.

"The secretary general is concerned about the political and institutional tensions in Honduras and urges restraint by all concerned in order to prevent any further escalation," a UN statement said.

"It is important for the country's leaders to act with full respect for the rule of law and democratic institutions, and to seek consensus on the pressing political issues through a peaceful and inclusive dialogue," it added.

"In light of inaccurate reports which have appeared, the secretary general also wishes to clarify that the United Nations does not have plans to conduct an observation exercise in relation to this weekend's planned consultation," the statement further said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iwz5g0PbKLCoJuBDDmYPXkV0K2JQ
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 12:49 AM
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37. The Honduran Constitution
Prohibits any amendment that removes term limits. The President attempted to remove the head of the army for refusing to carry out the election. Various other military officials resigned in protest. The Honduran legislative body and high court found the President in violation of Honduran law. He was ordered removed from office because he refused to comply with the Constitution.

Isn't this the way their system of government is supposed to work?
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 05:47 PM
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3. Flaneur, Latin America forum has been on top of Honduras story



for the past two/three days with poster magbana keeping close tabs on it with updates and comments.

Invite you to check out the Latin America forum. :hi:
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:13 PM
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4. Thank you. I'm new and hadn't thought about that.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 06:12 AM
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5. "...following similar moves by leftist allies in Latin America"--very biased reporting.
I wasn't familiar with "Swissinfo" but this phrase tells me volumes about the corpo/fascist alignment of their 'news' reports. First of all, the most notorious effort to extend presidential terms (lift term limits) was conducted (is being conducted) by the far rightwing president of Colombia, Alvaro Uribe, who bribed congress members to extend his term of office in behind-the-scenes proceedings. No leftist president has done any such thing. The most well-known effort by the left to lift term limits occurred in Venezuela, where President Hugo Chavez has enjoyed an average 60% approval rating throughout his tenure in office, and where the voters frequently vote on Constitutional issues in highly transparent, aboveboard elections--repeatedly certified by every elections monitoring group on earth. "Swissinfo"--as with the Associated Pukes and all other corpo/fascist 'news' outlets--omits these highly relevant facts, in reporting on recent events in Honduras. The 'meme' is that "leftists" are "dictators" (despite their popularity and obviously--on the facts--honest elections), when in truth it is fascists who have to maneuver illegally (and, in Colombia, with the use of death squads and other extreme intimidation) to stay in power.

In Venezuela, it was the clear choice of the voters to lift term limits on Chavez and other officials (including several rightwing governors). Also, it should be noted that there are several differences between Latin America and the U.S. which we need to understand, in order to evaluate events in Latin America. One is that Constitutions are more fluid and are frequently changed, by popular plebescite. Bolivia and Ecuador in particular have voted for momentous changes in the country through a popular process of re-writing and voting on the Constitution, including the long, long, long-needed acknowledgment of the equal rights of the indigenous (the majority) in Bolivia, and equal rights for women and gays, as well as recognition of the rights of "Mother Nature" ("Pachamama"), in Ecuador. Another--at least in Venezuela, but I believe generally--is that the military is regarded more like our National Guard and our police, than like a standing army (ours) used for foreign wars. Thus, it is not unusual for the military to be mobilized to insure free and fair elections. And a third is "rule by decree"--which is used throughout South America, by which the president is given temporary decree powers by the legislature on specific issues to solve certain problems more quickly than the legislature could do. There are recent instances of both leftist and rightist presidents ruling by decree, with permission of the legislature.

Zelaya apparently does not have the consensus that Chavez's government had, and other leftist governments have had, on term limits--although Honduras is so important as a strategic location (and historical location) for corpo/fascist war planning in Latin America, that I don't trust what the Associated Pukes, et al, are saying about his approval ratings. They could be lying. They have lied before. They could be using skewed polls. He apparently has the support of the labor unions and the peasant farmers. That is the great majority of people in Honduras. So how can he have only a 20% or so approval rating? I don't know. Zelaya is also a late-comer to the vast leftist revolution that has swept South and Central America. Honduras is now surrounded by countries with leftist governments (Guatemala to the north, El Salvador to the west, Nicaragua to the south), and of course exists in a context of the overwhelming leftist trend in South America. I don't know a lot about him, except that he is a former timber baron and rich man, seemed to play along with the Bushwhacks while they were in power, and seemed to switch allegiances, last year, when he joined ALBA--the Venezuela-organized barter trade group. I suspect that what is happening is an overly-abrupt effort at change in a country where the left is not as well organized as it is in Venezuela, Bolivia and other countries, and where the military has a history of active collusion with U.S. fascists (notably Reaganites like John Negroponte). Zelaya may think that he can ride the overwhelming leftist trend surrounding Honduras, in the immediate vicinity and in the region, without the long hard decades of work that leftists and civic groups have done in other countries to produce dramatic change for the better at the end of that process.

To appearances, anyway, Zelaya may be attempting to do what Chavez and others are falsely accused of doing--and have NOT done--that is, "run the revolution" in a leader-first manner. Be a "caudillo" (cowboy "savior" of the people). Be a leftist "strongman." Chavez would be exactly nowhere without the active and well-organized support of his constituency--the vast majority of the people of Venezuela. Indeed, it is they who saved his presidency in the 2002 U.S./Bushwhack-supported, fascist coup attempt. (See "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.") And the same is true of Evo Morales in Bolivia, Rafael Correa in Ecuador and others. They are more the products of revolution than the creators of it. In short, a vote on the Constitution may be premature in Honduras. As happened in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador, Zelaya is trying to organize a Constitutional assembly. Terms limits are just one aspect of it. He wants an advisory vote of the people, to initiate a Constitutional process. But--to my knowledge--there has not been a preliminary process of grass roots organization and education in Honduras, or not a significant enough one to lay the groundwork for Constitutional change.

As I mentioned above, Honduras is a vital strategic location for U.S. corpo/fascist domination of the Caribbean--most especially for spying on, and war planning, to regain global corporate predator control of Venezuela's coastal oil reserves. In the 1980s, Honduras was where Reagan's death squads assembled for murderous assaults on Nicaragua and Guatemala. The U.S. has become 'persona non grata' in much of Latin America, and is about to be evicted from its military base in Ecuador, for instance. The World Bank/IMF is on the outs. Its portfolio of ruinous, country-destroying loans is nearly empty. Oil, gas and other natural resources are now in the control of--and are being used for the benefit of--the people who live there, who are also rejecting the corrupt, failed, murderous U.S. "war on drugs." We should never be naive about the intentions of entities like Exxon Mobil and Monsanto, and our own "war on drugs" profiteers--no matter what Obama may say about cooperation and partnership. These events in Honduras could be highly manipulated, by the CIA and other corpo/fascist forces, and the 'news' about them most certainly is manipulated. It is very difficult to know what is really going on. But I think we can be sure that, if a leftist revolution is occurring, we will receive only an extremely distorted account of the views and actions of the vast majority of the people of the country. Our corpo/fascist press has portrayed Hugo Chavez as a "dictator" and a "caudillo," when nothing could be further from the truth. He is a brilliant man, to be sure, and a master politician--not unlike our own FDR. (The fascist forces here also called FDR a "dictator.") But his career is a genuine expression of the people of Venezuela who risked their lives, by the tens of thousands, to keep their legitimate president in power and to restore their Constitution. We have been given an entirely false picture of events in Venezuela. We can expect an entirely false picture regarding any situation in which the vast poor majority is challenging the rich, fascist elite. If that is what is happening in Honduras--with Zelaya's activities merely being an expression of it--we must "read between the lines" to figure out the real situation. They will never tell us that Zelaya is a genuine representative of the poor majority, if he is.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 05:39 PM
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6. Posting this from SPS Honduras
There are lots of articles out there and much of them have misinformation on what is going on...everything from a coup to other craziness.

First of all the constitution unlike other countries is not reformable...you can add ammendments with exception to two things...term limits and oil rights. Both of these things he wants to reform. First of all he wants to be reelected immediately and do away with the November elections and he wants to sell our oil rights to Venezuela. Both of these thigns are explicitly prohibited by the constitution and cannot be reformed. The constitution was written and ratified in 1982 so it is still a baby and not old enough to be reformed or done away with...when he says reform he doesn´t mean ammend it, he means throw it away and write it over again by himself without help of Congress or the people.

He is very unpopular. He is more unpopular that Bush was in the US which is pretty hard to accomplish.

The Supreme Court has handed down a direct order three times already all of which he has thumbed his nose at and said basically that they have no control over him...and did the same with Congress...

It is sort of like if Bush while in office had thumbed his nose at the USSC and the Congress and instituted permenent presidency...everyone would throw a fit.
So a process has been started by the Congress here to remove him or punish him. Basically the removal is an impeachment not a coup. The vice president Elvin Santos resigned last year so the Speaker of Congress would be the one placed in the presidents seat until elections are held in November.
What is really notable is that even Zelaya´s party has turned their back on him because he is doing this and because he has ran the most corrupt administration in history.
He refuses to provide financial details as to money available for next year´s budget and has tried denying people health care at the public hospitals unless they agree to support his attempt at throwing away the constitution all the way up to firing and witholding pay from workers who refuse to support his illegal act.
There are way too many acts to lay them out here...but if the will of the people were to be taken into account this would be over and he would be in prison.
However, Chavez is sticking his nose in where it does not belong and is threatening to send in troops from Venezuela...question is why is he trying to control Honduras? IT isn´t his business...he is doing exactly what he complained about the US doing...so now most of the public here wants the US ...a long time ally to intervene and assist in the defense of Honduran borders from this thug and from forcing us to accept something we do not want.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 08:28 PM
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7. You need to supply a credible reference for your claim Hugo Chavez "is threatening to send in troops
from Venezuela."

You can imagine there are people who believe anyone who would make that assertion is trying to pull a fast one among people who know better than that.

Go right ahead, find that link, and post it here. Otherwise, your comments should be seen as entirely bogus.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 08:37 PM
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8. Ok sure Judi
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 08:38 PM by Summermoondancer
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:05 PM
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9. Thank you for the links. I've been very frustrated that there's so little news on this.
I lived in Honduras (Tegucigalpa) in 1981. My husband lived there for 5 years in the early 60's and then for two years in the early 80's. His two children were born there. His father owned a business there.

So, I like to stay in touch with what's happening in Honduras.

Do you work there? Or are you retired, studying?


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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:17 PM
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10. First ...
let me apologize for being rude to you...I am a bit sensitive right now as we are all up in arms for the moment and since you lived here you know how personal the people take things like this.
I married a man from here in 1994 and we bought a house about 8 years back and I decided about a year and a half ago to come and stay for good.
I have a blog that updates a lot of things going on in Honduras if you are interested
http://lagringasps.blogspot.com
I translate a lot of the news printed into English as well as talk about some of the details of the daily experiences here in my life.
To be real honest we are all holding our breath a bit. We are all pretty up at arms about the idea of foreign soldiers sneaking in regardless of what country they are from especially when their motive is to affect the outcome of governmental decisions in the country and when it goes against the will and wishes of the people.

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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 05:41 PM
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27. thank you for the info Summermoondancer!
my brother is an expat living in La Ceiba and I haven't been able to talk to him recently.

I appreciate your posts! :-)
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La Gringa Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:39 AM
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11. Even better, how about a video of Chavez in his own words
I believe it is on laprensa.hn or maybe YouTube. It was on TelesurTV and replayed here on in Honduras on the government propaganda channel. His words were "we will do what we have to do."

I live here, too, and Summermoondancer has described the situation exactly as I see it, too.

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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:47 PM
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13. Thanks La Gringa
Today an arrest warrant was issued against President Zelaya by the Supreme Court and against his cabinet and they were all arrested. Zelaya was taken to Costa Rica. There is a lot of propaganda going on right now and of course we have a toque de queda where we cannot be in the streets for safety reasons. However, this is a legal constitutional process and the other countries need to stay out of it. ...we don´t get involved when they do judicial process for abuse of power in other countries so why should anyone else involve themselves here.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 03:29 AM
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38. This is fascinating. So, is it simply a coinidence that a new Honduran poster shows up
to agree with you who just happens to bear the same name as the blog listed in your profile?



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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:04 PM
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14. You're saying that Venezuelan troops are now in Honduras?
Forgive me my Sunday morning brain fog.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:20 PM
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15. Yes...that is exactly what I am saying
along with Nicaraguans. They are busy being chased back across the border by locals who aren´t too pleased by any foreign presence especially that of Chavez or Ortega.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:25 PM
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17. All due respect, honey.
You're full of it.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:50 PM
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19. Bitchkitty
Oh really and where do you get your information that I am full of it? Did you not here Venezuela president Chavez announcing a declaration of war about five minutes ago?
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 02:19 PM
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22. I get my information by
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 02:21 PM by bitchkitty
judging what you say and how you say it. I do not believe you, sorry.

A declaration of war? No, I have not yet heard that but you bet your sweet patootie I'm on Hugo's side. Viva Chavez! I hope the right wing assholes get ousted and democracy is quickly restored to Honduras. I have friends there and am very concerned.

On edit - everyone else has had their electricity and telephone cut off. Yet here you are, posting away. I guess they haven't closed the Internet cafes yet, eh muchacha?
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 04:53 PM
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24. Bitchkitty,
so because you don´t like what I am saying you just dismiss it right? I provided you links plenty of them.
Furthermore, I live here. Secondly, he was thrown out by his own party...Michiletti the Speaker of the House and the entire vote against him were LIBERALS...
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 05:30 PM
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26. Not just because I don't like what you say.
I don't believe what you say. Any of it. Your perspective is flawed.

I lived in Japan, but that doesn't make me an expert on the Yakuza. I lived in Mexico, that didn't make me an expert on Pancho Villa. I lived in Spain, and I had no access to the workings of Juan Carlos' mind.

Where you are has nothing to do with how I feel about your opinion.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Oh and our President is humiliated
He was arrested by the military under order of the Supreme Court of Honduras for abuse of power and treason....he was flown to Costa Rica...where he is busy running his mouth playing victim claiming to be kidnapped...he was not kidnapped and this was a legal process of impeachment.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 02:39 PM
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23. You are full of it.
Why would a gov official be arrested in accordance with a Supreme Court warrant and then flown to Costa Rica?

Makes no sense whatsoever, other than it is a coup.

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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 05:10 PM
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25. Mika please try reading some of the local papers before judging me as full of it..
Here you go...

http://www.laprensa.hn/Secciones-Principales/Inicio

www.elheraldo.hn
www.tiempo.hn
This process of impeachment has been going on right under your nose for over a month...we have all been talking about it and we as in people in Honduras for a very long time.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. I saw your blog enrty made on May 14th
Maybe its advice some posting here would find worth reading.

Stop and take time to smell the roses instead of reading about them through rose colored glasses.



http://lagringasps.blogspot.com/

It's safe to say its only a matter of time.


Time will judge many by their words.

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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #16
32. Can you confirm a few points for us?
I have read that the Honduran constitution states the President can serve only one term. I've also read that this particular clause can't be changed by amendment. Is this correct so far? Did the supreme court also rule this referendum unconstitutional and did Zelaya attempt to fire the head of the Honduran armed forces to prevent him from enforcing the constitution? Did your congress and the high court also not find the firing was illegal? Did the court order the arrest of Zelaya? If all those elements are true, why is this being called a coup?

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #8
18. Riiight. The Venzuelan army has marched through Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, and Nicaragua
to fight in Honduras

:eyes:
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Struggle, they flew into Nicaragua and are a part of ALBA
remember...the troops in Nicaragua and Venezuela have an agreement to use each other´s troops..Chavez declared war on Honduras. You can doubt it or think about the fact that I am living here and watching the fighter jets flying over my head right now.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. You've lost all credibility with me: you hallucinate thousands of Venezuelan troops in Honduras,
but (sadly) nobody else can see them

And in a related thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3942632&mesg_id=3942632

You claimed to see Zelaya live on TV announcing his resignation -- at a time when the TV stations in Honduras were reportedly showing nothing but cartoons. Zelaya is whisked off at gunpoint in his pajamas to Costa Rica -- and you describe this as an arrest under the authority of the Supreme Court; when it is pointed out to you that this is not the constitutional procedure for removing the Honduran president, you fantasize an impeachment vote several days ago -- which is completely inconsistent with the fact that the Honduran Congress has just made a big show of "accepting" a "resignation" that Zelaya says he never offered. You made false claims about the appointment process for the Supreme Court

The facts seem to be as follows: The Honduran military, at gun point, flew the Honduran President to Costa Rica, in violation of Art. 102 of the Honduran Constitution. Simultaneously, several member of his cabinet, together with several foreign ambassadors, were detained -- and at least one member of another political party seems to have been assassinated by the military. The US had for several days been attempting to dissuade the military from a coup, which everyone (except you) recognizes has now occurred: the EU recognizes this as a coup; the OAS recognizes it as a coup; Unasur recognizes it as a coup; the UN secretary general recognizes it as a coup; Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Costa Rica, France, Nicaragua, Spain, and the United States all recognize it as a coup

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Not even willing to give it a 48 hr rule ? How about a thread revisit in a few weeks ?
Somebody bodly claims they live in a tiny tropical country and your vast knowledge of that tropical country ( as well as many many others ) and think its all over ?

imo

nothing has started.

Happy 4rth of July ;)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. I'm sure we'll see more about this topic. And, of course, you are right that I'm no expert.
But multiple independent lines of evidence frequently produce the right result, I think
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #20
35. lol... Playing Hearts of Iron III beta, I see.
I love playing some small Latin American country and using it to take over the world... I usually go with Argentina or Brazil though, it's nearly impossible with other ones.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Here you go
http://www.radiotrece.com.mx/2009/06/28/chavez-denuncia-golpe-de-estado-en-honduras-e-insta-a-obama-a-pronunciarse/

http://www.blogotepeque.com/2009/06/chavez-califica-de-troglodita-el-golpe-de-estado.html

“A los golpistas le decimos: estamos de pie. Esto no es hueca palabrería. Ya empezamos a movimizarnos, ese golpe va a ser derrotado por el pueblo de Honduras y por quienes estamos fuera de Hondoras pero nos sentimos tan hondureños”, explicó.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. People need google translate and twitter "Honduras" links to follow

http://translate.google.com/translate_t?langpair=es#


Got any Honduras Twitter hombres to replace the passing fad of #iranelection

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23IranElection

With you being new to posting here, you will need to understand this;
you are being watched by certain folks always looking for a reason to ban 'outsiders' who say they are "inside" a country posting what they consider to be propaganda.
With you being very close to a situation, many consider more then a passing political curiosity, they will be watching.

from your link;



Chavez denounces' coup d'etat "in Honduras

"The U.S. empire has a lot to do with this. I appeal to the president of United States to take action as we reject this outrage, which is not only against Honduras, but against all peoples of Latin America, "he said.


According to Chavez, the countries of the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas (Alba) that Honduras is part, are being organized and announced measures "soon."


http://www.radiotrece.com.mx/2009/06/28/chavez-denuncia-golpe-de-estado-en-honduras-e-insta-a-obama-a-pronunciarse/


So you say he has a lot of 'oil workers' on vacation in Honduras ?

;)
:sarcasm:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #8
30. So there is going to be a June invasion after all but.....



Just in time to recall the ambassador it seems.

how convenient

Report: Venezuela and the U.S. to Normalize Ties

CARACAS -- Venezuela and the United States have decided to normalize their diplomatic relations and agreed that in the shortest feasible time they will return their ambassadors to the other country after they were expelled last September, Caracas daily Ultimas Noticias said Tuesday, citing an unnamed official source.


...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3936953&mesg_id=3936953


Seems Summermoondancer is in a position to record the 'troop movements' if willing to be a citizen journalist
that happenes to be in high demand these days.

Upload videos when you can

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #30
41. LOL. Yeah, Summermoondancer and our friend Bob.


I'm sorry I missed this thread over the weekend. Hilarious.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #7
34. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday put troops on alert
But chances are Hugo is battling the CIA drug cartels and will nationalize the banana plantations.... and ship the spoils to his own minion

Chavez threatens military action over Honduras coup

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday put troops on alert after a coup in Honduras and said he would respond militarily if his envoy to the Central American country was kidnapped or killed.
Chavez said "Honduran soldiers" took away the Cuban ambassador and left the Venezuelan ambassador on the side of a road after beating him during the army's coup against his leftist ally, Honduran President Manuel Zelaya

snip

HISTORY OF COUPS

The United States has long accused the Venezuelan former soldier of being a destabilizing force in Latin America. Chavez himself tried to take power in a coup in 1992 and was briefly ousted in a 2002 putsch but was reinstated after protests.

Chavez, who accused the administration of former U.S. President George W. Bush of backing his removal, said there should be an investigation into whether Washington had a hand in Zelaya's ouster.


snip
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE55R1S820090628?sp=true
a little flare for the dramatic added to spice up his Obama salsa ?

:sarcasm:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRvPoCWElOc&feature=related
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 03:55 AM
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40. The fifth most wanted drug lord in the world was just caught in Venezuela
Edited on Wed Jul-01-09 03:55 AM by EFerrari
Tue Jun 30, 4:47 pm ET

CARACAS, Venezuela – Venezuela deported a convicted European drug trafficker dubbed the "Mafia's foreign minister" to Italy on Tuesday, where he has been wanted on drug smuggling charges since 2001.

Salvatore Miceli, 63, was led in handcuffs to a sport-utility vehicle to be taken to a plane, which departed for Italy.

Miceli was captured in Caracas earlier this month in a joint operation between Venezuelan and Italian police.

Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami said it is unclear when Miceli — who is suspected of smuggling cocaine, heroin and other drugs — first entered Venezuela, as he did not do so through regular channels.

Italy's Carabinieri police in Trapani say Miceli worked as a middleman between Italy's and South America's organized crime groups, leading fellow mobsters to call him the "Mafia's foreign minister."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_mafia_arrest_1

Oh, and the golpistas beat and kidnapped the envoys from Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador when they tried to protect the Honduran foriegn minister, a woman, from being grabbed by hooded troops sent by the coup. Good for Chavez for backing them up. :hi:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #5
12. "In Venezuela, it was the clear choice of the voters to lift term limits on Chavez " LOL.
As you recall, the first time they voted "NO" to Hugos demands to run again before Hugo got the proper results in a second referendum. ( Deibold verified the second vote count)



In Venezuela, it was the clear choice of the voters to lift term limits on Chavez and other officials

isn't that the way it played out last year ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3611548&mesg_id=3611548

Chavez asks military, backers to prepare for fight
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x10199




Venezuela's Chavez pushes through 26 decrees
.....
Critics fumed that Chavez did not consult with major business groups before approving the decrees, and some warned the laws would scare off private investment and further weaken private enterprise.

"We ask the president: Why does he fear democracy?"
.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=405&topic_id=6762&mesg_id=6762



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=405&topic_id=6762&mesg_id=6875
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 03:37 AM
Response to Reply #12
39. LOL
The first referendum was loaded up with something like 56 issues by the legislature. There is no comparison between the two.

Venezuela doesn't have Diebold. Their system is not only transparent but monitored by international observers.

And as to your link, lol, I'm so happy that you linked to yet another one of Zorro's hit pieces. It's from 2007 and features a host of dire predictions that never came true. Thanks! :)
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