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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 03:48 PM
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Iraq's Sadr wants homosexuality eradicated
Source: Al Arabiya

Friday, 29 May 2009

Clerics slam "disastrous" gays but forbid anti-gay violence

Iraq's Sadr wants homosexuality eradicated


Iraq's radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr ordered the "depravity" of homosexuality be eradicated but warned against the anti-gay violence that has recently erupted, a spokesman said on Friday.

"The purpose of the meetings is to fight the depravity and to urge the community to reject this phenomenon," said Sheikh Wadea al-Atabi, referring to a Thursday seminar attended by clerics, tribal leaders and police.

"The only remedy to stop it is through preaching and guidance. There is no other way to put an end to it," he said, stressing that the movement could not resort to violence after a series of killings of gay men in Baghdad.

<snip>

An Iraqi human rights activist recently revealed that Iraqi militias have been using a particularly brutal form of torture against homosexual men that involves gluing their buttocks together and feeding them laxatives.

“An anti-gay group uses a very strong form of glue that if applied, sticks to the skin so tight that it can only be removed surgically” Yenar Mohamed, the first human rights activist to reveal this issue, told AlArabiya.

"After the buttocks have been glued together, the victim is given a laxative," Mohamed added. Because they are not able to defecate, the diarrhea eventually leads to death.

Read more: http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/05/29/74223.html



Number of gays murdered last year in Israel for their being gay = 0, zero, zilch, nada!
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 03:54 PM
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1. Ain't freedom grand...
:grr:
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 03:56 PM
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2. What does your comment about Israel have to do with anything?
???
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:03 PM
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5. Good question. nt
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:25 PM
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7. yah, israelis just blame them for things like earthquakes...
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6913.html


btw, im pretty sure around 50 gay men have been murdered in israel over the last 20 years.

hell, someone tried to stab people for being gay back in 2006.



so , i too, am wondering wtf israel has to do with anything in iraq?

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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:27 PM
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8. just telling the truth
there are people on here who are so anti-Israel and some who shall I dare say anti-Semitic, others need reminded that Israel isn't always the bad guy

at least they're in the 20st century when it comes to human rights as opposed to these barbarians in Iraq who are stuck in the dark ages
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:35 PM
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10. Israel isn't always the bad guy
Edited on Fri May-29-09 04:36 PM by AlbertCat
Well...maybe you are too worried about what that theocracy is or is not up to....just like the US Government is!

And I'll bet you weren't telling the truth. I'll bet a gay person has been killed or bashed in Israel recently. Hell, gays in Amsterdam get bashed! Just because you don't know about it....

I sure don't perceive Israel as "gay friendly" just because they don't have an "eradication" policy!
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:40 PM
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11. the israeli government should be applauded
Edited on Fri May-29-09 04:43 PM by iamthebandfanman
for their progressive minded approach to the issue, that goes without saying...

but to suggest there is noone in isreal who wishes to kill gays ... is well... just not true.


also, the same things youve said could be applied to other side of that stance as well..

there are people who think israel can do no wrong, no matter what evidence is presented..

no different than the arguments on DU as late... the ole 'my shit smells better than yours' debate.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:04 PM
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19. Amen !
Isreal is far more Progressive than the US in many ways, yet we find so-called progressives here on DU sympathietic to the enemies of Isreal who given the chance would put GBLT first in line for a head from body seperation..
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:17 AM
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34. Being against some of Israel's policies is not being anti-Semitic.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 10:39 PM
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21. I think what the OP means is that not every Middle Eastern country treats gays in the brutal way
that many other countries in that region do. What's wrong with saying that? If it's true, let's hear it. And obviously just because Israel doesn't discriminate against gays that doesn't excuse any excesses that they might commit in others areas such as their treatment of Palestinians.

The thing I don't like about DU is that a lot of posters are happy to criticize Israel about everything. And granted, Israel deserves criticism. But at the same time we see very little criticism of wrongs committed in Islamic countries. Why is that? A wrong is a wrong no matter where is is committed.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 06:33 PM
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43. Iraq was much better for gay people and women
under Saddam Hussein. yet another sickening reality of the illegal invasion.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 03:57 PM
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3. Maybe straight people should stop having children
That's the only way to actually "eradicate" homosexuality. Killing existing gays, no matter how brutally, won't wipe homosexuality out because more gay people are born every day. Why don't these sadistic control-freaks understand that? :grr:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:11 PM
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6. Why don't these sadistic control-freaks understand that?
Edited on Fri May-29-09 04:13 PM by AlbertCat
Because they're religious.

You cannot eradicate the gay. It exists in all cultures (in the same way...fems, butchies, normals, drag queens, etc,....all these subsets exist everywhere) and at all times in history. But this doesn't matter to people who ignore reality. This is religion's role....to get you to ignore what's in front of your face and believe in a dreamy make-believe spa of a universe that WOULD exist if only so & so were gone or such & such didn't happen.

Religion is quaintly useless at best and downright dangerous at worst.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:34 PM
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9. Oh yeah, that's right
:hi:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:22 AM
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35. It isn't religion. It is the desire to force others to behave a certain way, even
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 07:25 AM by No Elephants
to think and feel a certain way. It existed in the Spain of the Spanish Inquisition, but it also existed in atheist Russia. There is also something about "the other." Disliking anyone different. It probably existed in the day of cave people.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:27 AM
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36. Gay people also have children.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 03:57 PM
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4. As bad as what he said is, he sounds a lot more tolerant
than many (not all, or even most) Christians I know.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:45 PM
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12. Moqtada al-Sadr orders Iraq PM out ofBasra
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3244022&mesg_id=3244022

oh wait....that was last year.
He still sending up trial ballons to see if they won't arrest him if he attempts a triumphant return as



"a man of many letters" ?
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MrBig Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:49 PM
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13. I think someone has Iran-envy
They don't have any homosexuals there.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 05:05 PM
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14. Is Sadr a Republican?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 05:22 PM
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15. Maybe we could glue his mouth together?
and pinch his nostrils?
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 05:45 PM
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16. This is the result of US invasion and occupation.
We do know that this isn't happening in Syria, and it wasn't happening in Iraq prior to the war against Iraq. Certainly, it wasn't facilitated by the state power as it is now.

I'm not sure what it has to do with neighboring states, as the comment at the end implies.

It is a somewhat positive sign at least that the violence was condemned by the Sadrists: "Al-Sadr rejects this type of violence ... and anyone who commits violence (against gays) will not be considered as being one of us," said said Sheikh Wadea al-Atabi.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gyEDJh2jz2X-0cesB76vl6eIJL6Q



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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 07:31 PM
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17. Another "Yay!" for religion!
It's only natural: how do you expect to keep everyone whipped up into a xenophobic frenzy if all earthly pleasures aren't scorned?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 08:04 PM
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18. He has a captive audience in DC this October 10th/11th. They would LOVE to hear him speak
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:21 PM
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20. Just like Pat Robertson
and Ted haggard (tee-hee)
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 10:45 PM
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22. He Doesn't want to kill gays?
Edited on Fri May-29-09 10:46 PM by proteus_lives
He better watch out or they'll take away his "radical Shiite cleric" card and decoder ring.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:23 PM
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23. The irony is those are al-Sadr's militias that are killing gays
The man can talk from both sides of his mouth.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:21 AM
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24. Unsurprising.
He fans the flames for years and tries to shame the inferno? Bah. He's a leader dependant on fear, violence and fomenting religious unrest. If Iraq stabilizes, he's shit out luck and he knows it.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:45 AM
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27. Wonder if his own men would be willing to "come out" and speak freely?




A young Iraqi manning a checkpoint, Sadr City, Baghdad


Iraqi teenager, Adhamiyah, Baghdad


http://www.michaeltotten.com/

few reporters ever get this close
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 03:58 AM
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25. The comments here show a lot of people do NOT understand HOW to change people's minds
Edited on Sat May-30-09 04:32 AM by happyslug
First thing is you find a common item you agree on and then expand from that point. Shakespeare shows this is his play about Julius Caesar. In that play Mark Anthony gives his speech over Caesar's body, he does NOT attack Caesar's assassins at first, he starts about how good Caesar was, first as a person then to the poor. Mark Anthony thus gets the people on his side, he then turns the speech to an attack on the assassins speech and the people of Rome turn with him. Notice the speech, first Mark Anthony does is get the people on his side by agreeing with the assassins as to why Caesar had to die. Once he has the people on his side, he then turns then against the Assassins. I can mention others but my point is simple, when you want to change people's mind the first thing you do is get them to view you as being one of them, and then once you are one of them convert them to the change as coming from THEMSELVES NOT from the outside.

Sadr knows this tactic and also knows Iraq is NOT ready to hear someone saying Homosexual are OK. Thus anyone trying to protect Homosexuals will NEVER say being a Homosexual is OK in Iraq at the present time (maybe in some time in the future but not today). Sadr understands HOW to change people's mind, he first makes a statement the people of Iraq can agree with him on, that Homosexuality is bad and must be eliminated. This put Sadr right with his people. Sadr then takes it the next step, he actually proposes a change in HOW the people of Iraq handles Homosexuals, he tells the people of Iraq NOT to harm homosexuals but try to convince Homosexual to change their "evil ways".

Given the attacks on Homosexuals you hear of in Iraq today, for Sadr to tell his fellow Iraqis NOT to harm homosexuals is a radical change for most of the people of Iraq. That request NOT to harm Homosexuals from Sadr will have more affect then any law protecting Homosexuals in Iraq if you want to protect Homosexuals in Iraq (Now if you want to complain about how Homosexuals are treated in Iraq, what Sadr did will not stop your complaints).

Sadr is following the first rule in changing people's habits, first get them to view you as being on their side and then convert them to your way of thinking. It is an old practice and is effective today as it was in Shakespeare day and the days of Caesar.

Mark Anthony on Caesar's funnel:

ANTONY

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answer'd it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest--
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men--
Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

First Citizen

Methinks there is much reason in his sayings.

Second Citizen

If thou consider rightly of the matter,
Caesar has had great wrong.

Third Citizen

Has he, masters?
I fear there will a worse come in his place.

Fourth Citizen

Mark'd ye his words? He would not take the crown;
Therefore 'tis certain he was not ambitious.

First Citizen

If it be found so, some will dear abide it.

Second Citizen

Poor soul! his eyes are red as fire with weeping.

Third Citizen

There's not a nobler man in Rome than Antony.

Fourth Citizen

Now mark him, he begins again to speak.

ANTONY

But yesterday the word of Caesar might
Have stood against the world; now lies he there.
And none so poor to do him reverence.
O masters, if I were disposed to stir
Your hearts and minds to mutiny and rage,
I should do Brutus wrong, and Cassius wrong,
Who, you all know, are honourable men:
I will not do them wrong; I rather choose
To wrong the dead, to wrong myself and you,
Than I will wrong such honourable men.
But here's a parchment with the seal of Caesar;
I found it in his closet, 'tis his will:
Let but the commons hear this testament--
Which, pardon me, I do not mean to read--
And they would go and kiss dead Caesar's wounds
And dip their napkins in his sacred blood,
Yea, beg a hair of him for memory,
And, dying, mention it within their wills,
Bequeathing it as a rich legacy
Unto their issue.

Fourth Citizen

We'll hear the will: read it, Mark Antony.

All

The will, the will! we will hear Caesar's will.

ANTONY

Have patience, gentle friends, I must not read it;
It is not meet you know how Caesar loved you.
You are not wood, you are not stones, but men;
And, being men, bearing the will of Caesar,
It will inflame you, it will make you mad:
'Tis good you know not that you are his heirs;
For, if you should, O, what would come of it!

Fourth Citizen

Read the will; we'll hear it, Antony;
You shall read us the will, Caesar's will.

ANTONY

Will you be patient? will you stay awhile?
I have o'ershot myself to tell you of it:
I fear I wrong the honourable men
Whose daggers have stabb'd Caesar; I do fear it.

Fourth Citizen

They were traitors: honourable men!

All

The will! the testament!

Second Citizen

They were villains, murderers: the will! read the will.

ANTONY

You will compel me, then, to read the will?
Then make a ring about the corpse of Caesar,
And let me show you him that made the will.
Shall I descend? and will you give me leave?

Several Citizens

Come down.

Second Citizen

Descend.

Third Citizen

You shall have leave.

ANTONY comes down

Fourth Citizen

A ring; stand round.

First Citizen

Stand from the hearse, stand from the body.

Second Citizen

Room for Antony, most noble Antony.

ANTONY

Nay, press not so upon me; stand far off.

Several Citizens

Stand back; room; bear back.

ANTONY

If you have tears, prepare to shed them now.
You all do know this mantle: I remember
The first time ever Caesar put it on;
'Twas on a summer's evening, in his tent,
That day he overcame the Nervii:
Look, in this place ran Cassius' dagger through:
See what a rent the envious Casca made:
Through this the well-beloved Brutus stabb'd;
And as he pluck'd his cursed steel away,
Mark how the blood of Caesar follow'd it,
As rushing out of doors, to be resolved
If Brutus so unkindly knock'd, or no;
For Brutus, as you know, was Caesar's angel:
Judge, O you gods, how dearly Caesar loved him!
This was the most unkindest cut of all;
For when the noble Caesar saw him stab,
Ingratitude, more strong than traitors' arms,
Quite vanquish'd him: then burst his mighty heart;
And, in his mantle muffling up his face,
Even at the base of Pompey's statua,
Which all the while ran blood, great Caesar fell.
O, what a fall was there, my countrymen!
Then I, and you, and all of us fell down,
Whilst bloody treason flourish'd over us.
O, now you weep; and, I perceive, you feel
The dint of pity: these are gracious drops.
Kind souls, what, weep you when you but behold
Our Caesar's vesture wounded? Look you here,
Here is himself, marr'd, as you see, with traitors.

First Citizen

O piteous spectacle!

Second Citizen

O noble Caesar!

Third Citizen

O woful day!

Fourth Citizen

O traitors, villains!

First Citizen

O most bloody sight!

Second Citizen

We will be revenged.

All

Revenge! About! Seek! Burn! Fire! Kill! Slay!
Let not a traitor live!

ANTONY

Stay, countrymen.

First Citizen

Peace there! hear the noble Antony.

Second Citizen

We'll hear him, we'll follow him, we'll die with him.

ANTONY

Good friends, sweet friends, let me not stir you up
To such a sudden flood of mutiny.
They that have done this deed are honourable:
What private griefs they have, alas, I know not,
That made them do it: they are wise and honourable,
And will, no doubt, with reasons answer you.
I come not, friends, to steal away your hearts:
I am no orator, as Brutus is;
But, as you know me all, a plain blunt man,
That love my friend; and that they know full well
That gave me public leave to speak of him:
For I have neither wit, nor words, nor worth,
Action, nor utterance, nor the power of speech,
To stir men's blood: I only speak right on;
I tell you that which you yourselves do know;
Show you sweet Caesar's wounds, poor poor dumb mouths,
And bid them speak for me: but were I Brutus,
And Brutus Antony, there were an Antony
Would ruffle up your spirits and put a tongue
In every wound of Caesar that should move
The stones of Rome to rise and mutiny.

All

We'll mutiny.

First Citizen

We'll burn the house of Brutus.

Third Citizen

Away, then! come, seek the conspirators.

ANTONY

Yet hear me, countrymen; yet hear me speak.

All

Peace, ho! Hear Antony. Most noble Antony!

ANTONY

Why, friends, you go to do you know not what:
Wherein hath Caesar thus deserved your loves?
Alas, you know not: I must tell you then:
You have forgot the will I told you of.

All

Most true. The will! Let's stay and hear the will.

ANTONY

Here is the will, and under Caesar's seal.
To every Roman citizen he gives,
To every several man, seventy-five drachmas.

Second Citizen

Most noble Caesar! We'll revenge his death.

Third Citizen

O royal Caesar!

ANTONY

Hear me with patience.

All

Peace, ho!

ANTONY

Moreover, he hath left you all his walks,
His private arbours and new-planted orchards,
On this side Tiber; he hath left them you,
And to your heirs for ever, common pleasures,
To walk abroad, and recreate yourselves.
Here was a Caesar! when comes such another?

First Citizen

Never, never. Come, away, away!
We'll burn his body in the holy place,
And with the brands fire the traitors' houses.
Take up the body.

Second Citizen

Go fetch fire.

Third Citizen

Pluck down benches.

Fourth Citizen

Pluck down forms, windows, any thing.

http://shakespeare.mit.edu/julius_caesar/full.html
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:36 AM
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26. How about giving your $.02 on this article
btw your words of

First thing is you find a common item you agree on and then expand from that point.




232 Sudanese Slaves Liberated



http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090529/pl_usnw/232_sudanese_slaves_liberated
What would al Sadr think about his brothers actions in africa against the X-tian fundies?
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:02 AM
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28. My comment was about Sahr and his comments, not the underlying problem
Edited on Sat May-30-09 11:05 AM by happyslug
As to the issue of slavery (and the force conversion to Islam which is also in the Article) you find something in common, in that case that the Koran calls Christians and Jews people of the book AND that force conversion is against Islamic Teachings. The problem with Sudan, as in Afghanistan, is these are tribal areas, membership in a tribe is more important then citizenship (and tribe is tied in with your extended family). Communication has to be done on the Tribal and Family level NOT the National Level we are used to and what Sahr is doing with this statement.

Remember, unlike the Sudan, Iraq is a modern urbanized area. Tribes are still important (Much more important then in any western country), but you can communicate with people by other means, such as Radio, Television and even old fashion newspapers (Newspaper exist in Afghanistan and Sudan, but in urban areas only, not in the tribal areas for all practical purposes). Sadr has access to the net, as do many people in Iraq. Thus Sadr can communicate on the National Level to his followers, a structure missing in Afghanistan and the Sudan.

I just want to note the situation in all three countries are different, with Iraq the most westernized of the three. In Sudan and Afghanistan you have to work within the tribe and at tribal level, i.e. almost at the family and block level, as opposed to most places in the west where you can communicate at a National and International level. Sadr's comments is for people on the National level in Iraq and this will have the affect of something made on the national level of a person with his statute on the National Level. You have no such people in Afghanistan or Iraq, while both people are Islamic, the tribal elders are the ONLY important people in their lives and as such any change has to start with such tribal leaders NOT National Religious Leaders like Sadr.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:25 PM
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31. Excellent analysis
You know your stuff.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:59 PM
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32. al Sadr also wants Sunni eradicated from "his" land even though Iraq is a modern urbanized nation
Edited on Sun May-31-09 09:02 PM by ohio2007
Sadr's comments is for people on the National level in Iraq and this will have the affect of something made on the national level of a person with his statute on the National Level.

People in Iraq do not take him any more seriously then the people in the US do Ralph Nader but he represents a darkness inbred into their thought processes.

3 min video
Iraqi fears over US troop pullout
May 30, 09

US troops in Baghdad are getting ready to handover the neighbourhood of Hurriyah, to Iraqi security forces. It comes one month ahead of a planned pullout of all US combat forces from Iraq's major cities. But as Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel Hamid reports, not everyone is welcoming the withdrawal, or believing claims that the Iraqi forces can guarantee security. Category: News & Politics
Tags: Al Jazeera English Hoda Abdel Hamid US forces withdrawal Iraq security


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoAzSn2OJiw&feature=channel



funny thing is the "unbiased" news source above also enjoys to ignore the underlying problem between these people.
It is a feud born in a distant past. Bottom line is the rift is to deep to reverse hatred between not only the tribal level but sect level allegiance's are also there to "lock step" behind . These people will forget the differences and will only unite by a common hatred for specific outsiders,non believers,foriegn customs and practices ( including homophobia )

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:30 PM
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29. So, I guess we should be . . . patient?
It's not like it's life and death or anything. :sarcasm:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:30 PM
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30. Yes, some day they will be in your face.
OK ok, maybe your childrens face. I'm not buying into that "He doesn't wish violence on the "sick".

You only have to look into what his masters in Iran taught him and
by their examples,


mookie will follow.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:35 AM
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38. any use of Shakespeare to make a point
always earns kudos from me...well done
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:52 PM
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44. Or maybe this is al Sadr's expedient attempt to dress up as a "moderate" ...
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 08:53 PM by struggle4progress
Basra's intrusive Islamists reject Iran's theocracy as too tolerant
Delphine Minoui, Chronicle Foreign Service
Wednesday, May 4, 2005

(05-04) 04:00 PDT Basra, Iraq -- Sheikh Assad al-Basri says there's no need to worry that he and his Islamist militia intend to recreate an Iranian-style government in Iraq.

For the local representative of rebel cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, Iran's theocratic state is far too liberal for his tastes.

"Only 5 percent of Iranians abide by real Islamic laws," said al-Basri, who boasts that he and his cohorts already have blown up most of Basra's liquor stores, punished "decadent picnickers" and imposed Islamic dress codes. "The rest of Iranians are corrupt. Look, there are drugs and girls who don't wear hijab (traditional head coverings) properly in Iran" ...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/05/04/MNGJOCJN161.DTL&type=printable
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:07 AM
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33. isn't that called Genocide ?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:34 AM
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37. At least he spoke out against the recent violence. That is about the only
positive comment I can make. But, the rest of his statement is exactly the kind of thing that leads to violence. So maybe there's nothing positive.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:51 AM
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39. Time to organize a yearly gay parade in the green zone
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 10:52 AM by AlphaCentauri
just to pick on the fundamentalist crooks
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:34 PM
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40. They've been so successful at eradicating left-handedness
I wish them the best of luck in this bold endeavor.

:sarcasm:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 04:57 PM
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41. Sure sounds a lot like our own Christian Taliban.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 05:32 PM
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42. Ah, the sound of freedom on the march...
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 03:18 PM
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45. LOOOK OUT Republicans!
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