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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:06 AM
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Tennessee bill to allow speeders to be fingerprinted
Source: Associated Press

Wednesday, May 20, 2009 , 9:30 a.m.
Tennessee bill to allow speeders to be fingerprinted
By: Associated Press
By LUCAS L. JOHNSON II

NASHVILLE — Supporters of legislation that would allow traffic violators in Tennessee to be fingerprinted say it will save local governments money and catch more criminals, but one lawmaker believes the measure is invasive.

The proposal overwhelmingly passed the House earlier this month and is up for a full Senate vote today.

The bill would give law enforcement officials the choice of getting a person’s signature or taking a fingerprint using an electronic device.

Nashville Police spokesman Don Aaron said fingerprinting will allow officials to immediately cross check a criminal database to see if a person has an outstanding warrant or if there’s a case of identity theft.


Read more: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2009/may/20/tennessee-bill-allow-speeders-be-fingerprinted/?breakingnews
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able1 Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:10 AM
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1. Special interests want to get more people into The System
That way, THEY all win. That's one reason why it's a huge mistake to give the law enforcement (sic), criminal justice system (sic),
prison industrial complex another inch. They'll take advantage of it ultimately at the expense of society at large.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:13 AM
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2. Being fingerprinted should be restricted to being arrested and taken into custody
not a traffic violation.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:45 AM
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16. Aren't people fingerprinted when they enter
kindergarten? I remember we were, but that was almost 40 years ago.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:09 PM
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26. Not widespread.
Probably just a local practice, or perhaps a faulty memory.

The first reported use of biometric systems in U.S. schools was at Minnesota's Eagan High School in September 1999.<9> Eagan High School, a testing ground for education technology since it opened, allowed willing students to use fingerprint readers to speed up the borrowing of library books.

Penn Cambria School District in Cresson, PA was another earlier user of biometric technology.<10> In 2000, Food Service Solutions, a local food service company, designed and implemented a system where students bought lunch with just a fingerprint. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) stated that this"could hasten the end of privacy rights"<11>

Biometric systems were first used in schools in the UK in 2001. Use of this technology in schools is now widespread, though there are currently no official figures for how many schools employ the technology.


<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometrics_in_schools>
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:01 PM
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29. All state employees in California are fingerprinted,
and I've been fingerprinted for half the nursing jobs I've held.

I'd rather be fingerprinted during a traffic stop than held, harassed, and then cited on a bogus charge, as is the norm here in Los Angeles.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:17 PM
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30. I was responding to a message
about being fingerprinted in kindergarten 40 years ago in New York.

The first reported use of biometric systems in U.S. schools was at Minnesota's Eagan High School in September 1999.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:45 PM
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34. Last I heard- anyone with a California drivers license
is fingerprinted at the DMV.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:17 AM
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3. 'ooooh, oooh, lemme give a retinal scan.. oooh oohhh please...!!'

that'll be next of course - and a lock of your hair and a swab inside the roof of your mouth and a drop a blood.

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yesphan Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:24 AM
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5. DNA
Repub legislators here in Oklahoma want to make it law to gather DNA for misdemeanor offenses.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:20 AM
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4. simple solution, if'n don't want your fingerprints on file - don't speed!
.
.
.

I remember having an old Riviera I think it was, circa 1964(the car) and it had a needle I could set to alert me with a buzz if I went over my selected speed limit .

Set it for 7 clicks over the limit, never had a problem.

I think we could be able to figure something like that out today even!

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rjwin Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:19 AM
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9. and next it will be jaywalking
how about littering?
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:37 PM
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32. People speeding in vehicles result in unnecessary deaths
.
.
.

I realize there may be a rare death from jaywalking

but littering?

ok - someone slips on a banana peel and bashes their brains out on the sidewalk

silly me . . .

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:53 AM
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22. simpler solution....if you don't want to be treated like a criminal
avoid Tennessee and other Nazi (kangaroo court) states altogether. The good ol' boy states (red states) will, like the dinosaurs have to dissolve into dust sooner or later; Just like the dark ages went the way of the dodo bird in enlightened parts of the world. They must one day succumb to book larnin and treating others like human beings. Your speed limit argument is just a straw man waving on more totalitarianism.
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Raston Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:19 PM
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27. You are out of your freakin' mind.
Are you aware that the Department of Motor Vehicles is run by
the Department of Revenue?
Last time I heard a cop talk about 'quotas', he said 'Quotas? 
We don't need quotas, we just go out there and reel 'em in.'
That's what happens when the speed limit is artificially set
to generate revenue, not create safety.  That's what happens
when driving tests are issued in Spanish, and driving classes
are taken out of high schools.  It has nothing to do with
safety, but everything to do with creating revenue and not
-needing- a reason to pull you over.
'weaving within lane', 'license plate cover', 'overly tinted
windows', 'suspicious behavior' (ie, looking at the cop as you
drive by) - do any of these ring a bell?  

And now they want to -fingerprint us-?

It's not about speeding, you idiot, and this has nothing to do
with conspiracy.  Where the heck were you during the bush
administration?  Where do you think this invasive practice
came from and was blessed?  You do know there's a 16 year old
boy (on US soil, natural citizen, just trying to make it
through high school) being held as an enemy combatant, right? 
No trial, attorney, mom doesn't know where he is?

Wake up.

  - Raston
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:48 PM
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28. This is Tennessee

The cops will pull you over even if you're right on the speed limit if they don't like the way you look, or the color of your skin is wrong.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:33 PM
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31. Yeah, but we're talking about small-town Merica here.
They pull you over if you have out of state tags if they feel like it. That's why we never, ever drive through Starke, FL (google it) because small towns have figured out how to bring in more revenue. We call it The Small Town Tax. You think that cops won't pull you over, you are living in an alternate reality. In many areas traffic cops are nothing more than revenue generators/collectors.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:26 AM
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6. Tennessee
The people who will be fingerprinted will be Hispanics, blacks, and very poor whites. I cannot imagine a well-dressed driver of a BMW getting fingerprinted no matter how fast he is driving in any Southern state. I say this because of my experience as an Alabama native.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:42 PM
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33. Exactly. Either fingerprint every speeder or none.
"The bill would give law enforcement officials the choice of getting a person’s signature or taking a fingerprint."

White banker: Sign here please.
Black construction worker: fingerprinted



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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:39 AM
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7. absolute pure 100% BULLSHIT.
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:41 AM
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8. Morons...
Let's fingerprint speeders and allow guns in parks. What fucking planet do these morons come from! Jesus H. Christ!
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:23 AM
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10. You've hit the nail on the head! It's pure insanity. I listened to lots
of teevee last night and did not hear one word of the park/gun issue come up when the cc rights bills was being discussed....which is almost a joke too because it doesn't help the millions already scammed/cheated/thieved whatever. Between the financial derivatives and ways the cc companies can screw us I think we have to admit that the money industry is an deceitfully imaginative group.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:25 AM
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11. California drivers are finger printed when they apply for a license.
Do not other states finger print at the time of application?
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Old Coot Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:30 AM
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12. In Tennessee, they don't. nt
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:35 AM
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13. not in illinois.
nt
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:36 AM
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14. Thumbprinted, not a full set of fingerprints
and yes, other states don't require it. California is also unusual in its requirement that persons are required to leave a thumbprint when buying property.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:46 AM
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17. In NYC....
We were fingerprinted when we entered kindergarten. Guess this varies by state.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 11:34 AM
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25. not in NY or NJ
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 02:14 PM
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36. Not in Virginia, Fl, or Montana, AFAIK.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:43 AM
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15. Correct me here, but isn't it the Republicans that worry about.....................
.................government overstepping into peoples private lives???. I wonder if any doctors, lawyers or well off business people will be happy over this? See, they think only "criminals" should go to jail and be fingerprinted. We're not becoming a police state, we already are one.
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TimesSquareCowboy Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:46 AM
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18. That's the way some in governement see us all - as potential criminals.
That kind of attitude should be corrected not indulged.
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:48 AM
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19. Totally effing crazy.
Next thing you know they'll want DNA swabs for a burned out taillight. And Tennessee is one of those reliably-republican states - haven't they abandoned that "sacred" republican ideology about less government interference???

But the previous poster was spot on - this is one of those regulations that will somehow or other be particularly applicable to blacks, hispanics, etc. Oh ... and by the way ... whatever you do, don't drive down there with a gay sticker on your car.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:49 AM
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20. Bad. (nt)
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:51 AM
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21. Who makes the machine? What campaign contributions did they make?
There is profit to be made in every patrol car requiring a fingerprint scanning device rather than just the stations.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 02:19 PM
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37. Bingo. Follow the money.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:54 AM
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23. What is next fingerprinted for a broken light
what about for having a library card
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:54 AM
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24. It's a plot!
It's a conspiracy against stupid rednecks!

Somebody better get Pat Robertson on this right away.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:56 PM
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35. Fingerprinting for an infraction?
:wtf:

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