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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:21 AM Original message |
Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
1. if we had to attack an Arab country after 9/11... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. "evil" is a word that should belong in no ones political vocabulary, besides Bush |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Bullshit. Just because *he* misused it doesn't mean that a correct use is impossible. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It describes a spritual supernatural force. |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. evil is not necessarily supernatural |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. It may be easier to say "really bad" then, if that is what you mean |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. "evil" is shorter than "really bad" |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. It wasn't shorter in this case, judged by the replies |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I THINK THE RAPE OF A LITTLE CHILD IS EVIL |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Because I don't believe in "evil". Its usage seems ambiguous and confusing |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I offer that it is universally evil to rape a child. Yes I do. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. So is there a god? |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I don't know. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. If there is a universal morality, that suggests there is a god...right? |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:13 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I know that fucking little kids is bad |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Have I suggested its "good" or even "permissable"? |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. you are playing games |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. If you are saying that: "Saudia Arabia is [violating a universal morality]" |
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Revolution9 (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:48 AM Original message |
Mr. Armchair philosopher. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
57. Amazing. In this whole situation what you find to bitch about is the definition |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #23 |
66. The "husband" vows not to consummate the marriage until puberty |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. not a child? |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. You misread. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. sorry - need more coffee |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
101. technically speaking, it's not really pedophilia |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
96. Not that the |
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JJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:01 AM Response to Reply #21 |
51. Nuremberg definition |
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Revolution9 (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
67. you really miss the forest for trees.... |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #21 |
68. Evil |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
100. so because YOU don 't believe in evil |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
40. Nobody is talking about raping a little child.. except you, of course |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
87. So if she begins menstruating at age 11 (which many girls do) |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
99. john kennedy did |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. If that were the only possible thing that the word could mean, I would agree with you... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Thats about all it means to the fundie base its been thrown at for 8 years |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. (facepalm) |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. (assplant) |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. it wasn't just this |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Look, I'm not defending Saudi Arabia. Im just criticizing the chosen word to describe them. |
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bsiebs (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
95. You, too, are evil you armchair moralist |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
48. The meaning of the word is not what you claim |
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Revolution9 (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
69. thank you. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
102. lots of valid and descriptive words |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I'm not sure what you mean |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. You are not sure what I mean, and you continue to use the term "evil".... |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. evil means "evil" |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. You don't find any of those definitions somewhat odd? |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I assume that most people here have basic comprehension skills |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Well, its an incorrect assumption... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:13 AM Response to Reply #24 |
54. Yeah, and when you say 'Democrat' some people hear |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
34. You seem to be confusing evil with devil or evil spirit. Evil=morally bad, the opposite of morally |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:28 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I mean Id recommend a different adjective. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Sorry, I edited my post after I read the thread. Please read the revised version. You may |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Not only is the meaning not as he claims |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #37 |
70. Well, a problem is that you are referencing "morality" |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. "Does morality have a spiritual foundation?" |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Is it universal then? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Whether it is universal or not, is a separate and largely unrelated question. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. "From a political perspective, I see great value in..." |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
42. How would you describe Cheney? Misguided? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #42 |
60. sociopath |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
83. Evil simply means living backward |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
98. so john kennedy was wrong |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
47. God, this nation with so many sick people following a sick law and custom make me sick |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. Countries aren't evil; but governments and political systems are |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
2. (facepalm) |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I sure hope this young girl is a "late bloomer". I think I view the male Saudis |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. did you hear about the US military bribing Afghan tribal leaders with Viagra? |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
85. IIRC Bill Mayer did a piece on this n/t |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
14. but 8 is actually 24 in Saudi years |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
38. Sure, wait until puberty, wink, wink. But, why, once she is theoretically of age to rape, doesn't |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
39. Sick country. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:47 AM Response to Original message |
41. There are people far closer to your own home you can rage about, like Warren Jeffs: |
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rollin74 (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Warren Jeffs has been tried, convicted |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 04:11 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. What *actions* have taken place between 'husband' and 'wife'? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. uh, keep up. Where is Warren Jeffs, dear? Oh, that's right he was prosecuted |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
74. Add to that a Catholic hierarchy protecting pedophile clerics rather than the children |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
94. Jeffs is a sick monster.. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
44. Wow. |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
46. Quite interesting that.... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
52. This is a repulsive story |
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Christa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
53. Damn right! |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
55. Saudi Human Rights Commission, a government-run group - Say what? A Saudi Human Rights Commission - |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
56. This is what happens when a country sanctions polygamy. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
58. If The Word "Evil" Is Verboten Then So Is The Word "Good" |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. No. The opposite of good is bad. The opposite of evil is holy. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
59. Good To See That Obama Only *Bowed* To The Saudi King |
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VermeerLives (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
61. Mohammed married her when she was only 6 |
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agincourt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #61 |
75. Puts it all into context. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
62. Horrifying |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
63. Also we should not forget that our own heritage included arranged |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. We also had indentured servitude while Saudi Arabia outlawed slavery in 1962 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. uh, virtually all cultures, at one time, included arranged marriages at young ages |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. As I read this thread I see a lot of anti-cultural posts. I was trying to |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
97. The point is that |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
76. The KSA is a sick, evil country. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
79. The problem lies in the patriarchy in monotheistic religions |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. that has to be the most superficial and juvenile piece I've read in ages. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. It is religion that oppresses men and women that is hideous! |
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Neo Atheist (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. are you able to post anything without the Jews being involved? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #81 |
103. hearing criticism from marxists about religions cruelty |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. The problem is that her father was allowed to treat her as chattel to settle his debts |
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Neo Atheist (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
89. So let me get this straight about what's "halal" in the KSA |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
93. I wonder if the Saudi Judge will uphold my marriage to a 17 year old... |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
105. Saudi Arabia... |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
104. A 47 y.o. is married to an 8 y.o. girl? That is child abuse, even if it's not rape yet |
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