Holder's View Is Worrisome to Mukasey

[bemildred]

Source: WSJ

WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Michael Mukasey raised concerns that government agents and national security lawyers may be at risk for criminal prosecution after his likely successor, Eric Holder, declared that waterboarding of terror detainees is torture.

The 67-year-old former federal judge in New York, who took office 14 months ago, said in an interview that the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama faces a "conundrum" as it tries to shut down the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Word that Mr. Obama plans to issue an executive order to close the prison has caused worry among Justice Department lawyers who fear evidence backing the cases against many of the approximately 250 detainees wouldn't hold up in a conventional court proceeding.

Mr. Holder made the torture comment at his confirmation hearing Thursday when asked about the technique, which induces the sensation of drowning and was used by Central Intelligence Agency interrogators on at least three detainees.

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[UpInArms]

1. torturing is illegal

what is the problem, Mukasey? Don't you understand the difference between "legal" and "illegal"?

Shut up, pack your bags and got to jail, asshole.

[Piewhacket]

14. Mr Mukasey, please read this out loud...

Waterboarding is torture. Waterboarding is torture. Waterboarding is torture.
Waterboarding is torture. Waterboarding is torture. Waterboarding is torture.
Waterboarding is torture. Waterboarding is torture. Waterboarding is torture.
Waterboarding is torture. Waterboarding is torture. Waterboarding is torture.

now shout it out

Waterboarding is torture!

OK, think you got it now?

[EFerrari]

2. I bet. Given that there may be jail time involved and all. n/t

[bemildred]

4. Is Mukasey himself a "national security lawyer"?

How about John Yoo? Scary times for these pampered elites.

[Spazito]

3. If Holder's view is "worrisome" to Mukasey....

that speaks very well of Holder, imo. Mukasey, being nothing but a bushite flack, should be worried.

[lob1]

5. Waterboarding induces the sensation of drowning because you're drowning.

[Doremus]

23. You got it. The only thing keeping you from actually dying is the person(s)

committing the torture.

Whoops, looks like we overdid it! Ah well, there's more where they came from....

[teknomanzer]

25. Exactly...

its like saying electrocuting someone is not torture because someone can turn off the switch before it fries them and causes organ failure.

Oops did I just reveal some confidential National security shit there?

[alfredo]

40. There's always "doctors" present to revive you, just like during the inquisition.

[rwheeler31]

6. Well duh

Mikey you did not follow the law.

[Jefferson23]

7. Whats the matter Mukasey, you hoping for a preemptive pardon?

Well, even if you get one, that will not help you outside the United States, jerk-off.

[Solly Mack]

8. ...

"who fear evidence backing the cases against many of the approximately 250 detainees wouldn't hold up in a conventional court proceeding."

Snort

[babylonsister]

9. I'm hoping Mukasey is at risk, too. He can look over his shoulder

like everyone else.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. I bet there's a mess-o-shitty-shotrz at Justice

[lonestarnot]

19. bwwwwa ah hahahahaha

Where did you get those shorts? ROFLMAO :rofl: :toast:

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Literally .... ?

Google up "shitty shorts"

Ignore the helpful suggestion that you meant "shiny shorts"

Click "Images"

Top row, 4th from the left.

:)

[teknomanzer]

26. Those are some serious skidmarks man. Ugh!

[Hansel]

11. Tough. n/t

[Baby Snooks]

12. Not everyone agrees with his curious interpretation of criminal law...

He stated, I believe at an ABA meeting, last year that violating the law isn't necessarily a criminal act. His verson of Kay Bailey Hutchison's "technicality." As in Democrats commit crimes, Republicans commit technicalities. I foam at the mouth at the mention of Kay Bailey Hutchison. And at the thought that Democrats in Texas voted for her in 2006. Women in Texas apparently believe she is "one of them." Texas truly is a scary place.

As for anyone being prosecuted, I doubt it. It would be nice. It's just I know Washington. And it won't happen.

[spindrifter]

13. Maybe Mukasey doesn't understand

that his view is "worrisome" to a lot of people. Time to move on, Mr. Mukasey. You won't be in this administration and you won't be making "buck stops here" decisions for the Justice Department.

[Donnachaidh]

15. is it too late to send a case of Depends to Mukasy at the DOJ?

Methinks he needs them - and he can share it with the other enablers. :evilgrin:

[BlueJac]

16. That is what happens to criminals!

They get prosecuted.

[elleng]

17. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME,

that Mukasey doesn't like Holder's views. PERFECT! HIRE HIM!

[FarCenter]

18. If you can't do the time...

don't do the crime.

[gmoles]

21. This is obtuse thinking. The wrong was in the initial

opinions. Let us not compound the error by not saying what it was (criminal). I understand that saying it was wrong opens up that door of uncertainty in the future, and that is the reality created by this administration's actions, unfortunately. By refusing to call it what it was now, we would be perpetuating the error into the future in that we would be setting a precedence that says "anything the administration's lawyers say is fact that cannot be challenged later," giving all future administrations an unchecked balance to subvert the rule of law via their lawyers opinions. It is clear you can find a lawyer somewhere to support any foolish (in this case criminal) opinion. Mukasey's stance is serious flawed. The correct approach is to punish those who violated the constitution and then set up a system in which future lawyers cannot subvert law through biased/errant opinions, thus solving the initial crime and adverting the problems that Mukasey suggests.

[MasonJar]

22. Mukassey is a shill, even worse in some ways than Gonzalez, who

appears to have a W level intelligence. Holder should investigate the whole bunch, including Mukassey. Should, did I say? He had better!!!!!!!!!!

[Left Coast2020]

24. THE QUESTION REMAINS. IF DUFFUS PARDONS, ........

...can anyone be prosecuted for any action(s)?

Or, do we just send them all (Gonzo, Dumsfeld, Mukasey, etc) to a country that will prosecute?

I WANT FRIGGIN JUSTICE !!!!

[alfredo]

41. We have extradition treaties with other countries. Even if the handing over

is delayed, they will have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives.

We need to make wanted posters for the Junta.

[Politicalboi]

27. Gee Mukasey

Are ya gettin scared yet? He was also the judge in the Larry Silverstein case for the WTC which gave Silverstien more money. I hope he spends his lasts days on earth behind bars with Bush and his cabal.

[DBoon]

28. This is the best endorsement of Holder I've heard

if that criminal sadist finds Holder "worrisome", then Holder is fine by me

[The Magistrate]

29. It Damned Well Should Worry That Reptile, My Friend

People, including possibly Mukasey himself, ought to be prosecuted for these crimes.

[liberalhistorian]

30. And, Mr. Mukasey, we care what you, a lame-duck,

constitution-trampling, criminal motherfucker thinks because????????????????????????????????

Pack your bags, turn out the lights and shut the FUCK UP already!

[Frank Booth]

31. Sounds like someone's got a guilty conscience.

[Demeter]

32. Muckasey and All the Other Bushbots and Enablers SHOULD Be Worried

They can run, but they can't hide. Truth will out, and justice will be served, in heaping quantities.

[aquart]

33. "At risk"? WHY AREN'T THEY IN JAIL?

Mukasey has failed at everything but representing Bush.

[yardwork]

34. Tough luck. Anybody with a soul knows that torture is wrong. I have zero sympathy

and I hope that everybody involved in torturing people is prosecuted to the fullest extent of U.S. and international law. That includes the guys at the very top.

That is my hope.

[Vinca]

35. Everyone who cares what Mukasey thinks say "aye."

Crickets.

[xchrom]

36. then he shouldn't have defended and hidden that torture was going on.

it's his own fault.

[DavidMS]

37. He should be worried

This is not about criminalizing a policy dispute Treaties that the US signed prohibit torture.

Glen Greenwald Covers it.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/18/prosecutions/

Mukasey is in the position of a bad cop who beat a confession out of a suspect and then claims that its criminalizing a policy dispute when it has been expressly forbidden to beat confessions out of people for 15 years and every literate person can look the law up.

I am opposed to the death penalty in all cases except the prosecution of war crimes and treason, but just might include torture and the authorization of torture as well.

[fascisthunter]

38. What's Troubling is Mr. Mukasey's Sick Mind

[No Elephants]

39. In other words, Mukasey is asking Bush for a pardon, even as we post.

[annabanana]

42. While Mukasey "raises concerns".. the civilized world raises hopes

that people who ordered and facilitated torture WILL "be at risk for criminal prosecution".