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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:50 PM
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(MO - Catholic) Bishop: Voting Obama Affects 'Eternal Salvation'
Source: nbc action news

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Catholic Bishop warns Catholics not to vote for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. The Bishop believes your vote is tied to your eternal salvation.

Inside St. Therese Catholic Church, hundreds of people kneeled and prayed to Mary for help on Election Day.

Those praying included Bishop Robert Finn, leader of the Kansas City-St. Joseph Catholic Diocese. His words raised eyebrows both in and outside his faith.

On local talk radio, 710 KCMO, Bishop Finn warned Catholics planning to vote for Democrat Barack Obama.

Host Chris Stegall asked Finn, "There are some Catholics listening to me right now that are thinking strongly or convinced they will vote for Barack Obama. What would you say to them?"

"I would say give consideration to your eternal salvation...you make yourself a participant in the act of abortion," Finn replied. That's gravely wrong. You must not do it because your eternal salvation is tied up with that important choice."

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/political-nbc/stor...
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:51 PM
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1. time for that church to lose tax-exempt status...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 05:36 PM
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82. the bastard Pauline dimwit. You don't need a church to find God.
And God doesn't need a church to find you.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 10:53 AM
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100. Take the churches off of welfare
Tax them. If they wanna play, make them pay!
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:51 PM
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2. Fuck him.
Palin dumped the church so she could talk in tongues with the Talibornagains.

Apparently Bishop Finn finds Obama infinitely more appaling...
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:33 PM
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34. HAHAHA EXACTLY what my Catholic go to Mass every Sunday friend said. n/t
n/t
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:55 PM
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48. Every Catholic needs to be made knowledgable of that little pearl of a fact.
n/t
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JimboBillyBubbaBob Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:25 PM
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59. The Bishop
The same applies to the Bishop when those young boys weren't turned down, but turned face down.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:33 PM
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60. Why do you insinuate pedophilia?
Has this particular idiotic Bishop been accused of it?

Or perhaps you think all Catholic Clergy are pedophiles by association?
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JimboBillyBubbaBob Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:48 PM
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61. Stated Plainly
I was conveying the idea all eschatological clergy are guilty by association in attempting to frighten people with the mythology of eternal salvation.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:53 PM
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63. That part is partly true.
But the pedophelia mention is beyond the pale. Not to ever justify some of the Church's apaling attempts to cover it up but to blanket all in the Catholic Church as such is wrong.

I have known decent Catholic Clergy...they are not all pedophilies and hellfire spitters and spend more time helping the poor and needy.

Sadly you will seldom hear stories about them.

The shitstain Bishop in the story was never one of them.

Personally, I'm more of an Agnostic these days than ever but I still remember decent clergy.
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JimboBillyBubbaBob Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 03:01 PM
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64. Wow...
You got me! Using "beyond the pale" and "shitstain" in the same post about a concern over pedophilia has set me mind to wondering. I can't top that. I concede.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 03:04 PM
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65. I think the point is that this has nothing to do with pedophilia.
n.t.
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JimboBillyBubbaBob Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 03:05 PM
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66. Yes
Well said.........................
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #60
88. Because it's perfectly acceptable to some people to bash Catholics
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 09:15 PM
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87. Yay...more Catholic bashing
:puke:

That Bishop is a whack job and most Catholics disagree with him, but your post is disgusting.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:30 PM
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92. My post?
I basically said just what you said! Read my other posts.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:35 PM
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93. I thought I was responding to JimBillyBubbawhatever
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:37 PM
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94. Oops!
Indeed you were.

Talk about shitting on an entire voting block because of perceived bs...

Oh well we won!
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #94
95. It's okay -- I've got the champagne popped
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:52 PM
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3. Rev. Finn gets to vote for the candidate he wants and the rest of us get
to vote for the candidate we want.

I think our side's gonna win.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:53 PM
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4. so is covering up pediophiles bishop. What a hypocrite /nt
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:54 PM
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5. Dear Catholic Bishop;
Fuck off.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:54 PM
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6. From His Mouth to the IRS's Ears We Hope
Bye-bye tax exemption!

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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:13 PM
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21. He did not say it in his church
The law does not prevent someone from either side of the political aisle from speaking their mind in public. Rather, the law says you cannot advocate for or against a specific candidate in the church (i.e. send out an official message from the church or do it in a sermon).
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:54 PM
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79. Interesting loophole
that's why Pat Robertson gets to say all that political crap on his TV show, no doubt.

We need to change the rules, since religious whackos see TV and radio as extensions of their ministries, the IRS needs to regard them the same way.
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:54 PM
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7. Hey Finn, go to Hell!
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:55 PM
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8. He's just worried his church may have to cough up some dough now that he wouldn't be in the pocket
of the administration any longer. After all being the Catholic church is one big corporation. I know was brought up Catholic and I think it is hilarious what this bishop says. He needs to go into his confessional and stay there kissing his ring until it is decided that Obama will be the 44th President of the United States and he won't scare anyone with his fear tactic's.



"I would say give consideration to your eternal salvation."
:rofl:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:56 PM
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9. They'll simply seek forgiveness for the sin of voting for Barack and everything will be fine.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:57 PM
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10. is it a problem if you vote for a pro war candidate?
what if you vote for the anti health care guy...I mean a lot of folks die because of lack of health insurance.....
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Sodbuster Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:15 PM
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23. I guess the church now backs the candidate who thinks Torture is okay!!
Let's bring back the Inquisition eh Father?

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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:58 PM
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11. voting for war would be worse n
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John1956PA Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:59 PM
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12. The Bishops of the PA Catholic Conference are about the same.
Just as in 2004, the Bishops of the eight or so Catholic dioceses in PA put out election guides pointing out that the Democratic candidate is pro-choice and the Republican candidate is pro-life. These one-page voter guides are included in the Sunday bulletins distributed at Mass just prior to the election. To follow up, some of the individual Bishops publish election letters in their respective Dioceses newspapers. In Pittsburgh, the Bishop exhorted the faithful, "For God's Sake, Vote!" The Bishop went on to pontificate that the abortion issue was of "tantamount" importance. This type of influence is causing at least some Catholics to vote for McCain over Obama.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:00 PM
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13. Think of all the good that could be done with the taxes from the Catholic church...
Keep talking, dumbass.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:37 PM
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39. I used to teach in Catholic schools
and my hubby said they could pay me well for life if they would just sell one painting in the Vatican. :)
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:47 PM
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44. I bet!
:rofl:

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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:01 PM
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14. And voting for a party that wants endless war
and more death penalty executions is a ticket to heaven?

My dad is a devout Catholic who previously voted for Bush because of this crap. I'm proud to say I took him to early vote to cast a ballot for Obama this year.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:04 PM
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15. Fuck him and his bullshit
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:05 PM
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16. Sorry, Bishop, couldn't hear you over the screams of grief of Iraqi mothers
after finding their small children blown into bloody fragments of muscle and bone by bombs that YOUR candidate dropped on them.

And as I remember my Catholic theology, Bishop, you are now a heretic for calling into question the efficacy of the Sacraments of confession and extreme unction in relation to eternal salvation.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:08 PM
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17. see, that's why the day I graduated catholic high school
was the day I left the catholic church. How I vote has nothing to do with the condition of my soul.

How 15th century of this asshole!!
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:03 PM
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90. I fled after graduating from the 8th grade at St, Joe's in 1960... In Berkeley, CA

It seemed to me that if you could actually believe so much absolute BS you would surely be an exploited minion your whole life.

I really don't think anyone actually believes all of the ridiculous teachings of the Catholic Church, or any similar cult, but for various reasons everyone involved pretends to be pious. The results of this hypocrisy are glaringly obvious due to the manifold evils supported by almost all organized religions.

Tune In, Turn On & Drop Out

It is never the wrong time to do the right thing!

Think...

Think some more!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:09 PM
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18. I really believe that in about 10 to 20 years (maybe sooner), all the
bishops will be gone but the Catholic Church will remain. The Holy Spirit and Good John XIII set us on the path 40 some years ago to getting rid of this last vestige of the Roman Empire, and these guys have been doing their best to stop that. These bishops are going against the will of God, and boy, is She mad!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:09 PM
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19. Revoke tax exempt status NOW.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:11 PM
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20. Hey, Bishop, read Luke 20:45
Within earshot of all the people Jesus said to his disciples, "Beware of the scribes, who like to walk around in long robes, and love greetings in the marketplaces and the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts, who devour widows' houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:15 PM
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22. Is that because Obama won't turn an eye to the actions of Father Squeezie McFeelpants
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:15 PM
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24. Did this same Bishop Finn fess up in 2004 that...
...a vote for Bush made you a participant in an immoral invasion of a foreign land where babies and children were torn to bloody pieces by American bombs? Did the godly Bishop acknowledge that a vote for Bush made you a participant in the biggest damning Lie of this generation?

Wouldn't a vote for McCain be a vote to participate in "bomb, bomb, Iran", another ungodly mass slaughter of innocent men, women, and children?

Such godly consistency, that surely firms up his followers' (blind) faith...

(I think Dante has an especially toasty place in hell for hypocrites.)
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:15 PM
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25. His argument holds no water
First, if one is for the sanctity of life, they would also be against the Iraq War and the current administration's disastrous policies directed at the poor and working class.

Plus, the Republicans have held some sort of control in government for the past three or so decades. The Supreme Court has held a conservative majority for much of that time. What have they done to ban abortion? The answer is nothing. Republicans benefit by stringing along and suckering the anti-abortion crowd with empty promises. At least abortion rates went down during the Clinton years.

I'm Catholic, and this asshat does not speak for me. And he is not one to pass judgement either. All in all, this guy's a hypocrite.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:16 PM
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26. they need to hear from people
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 01:16 PM by SemperEadem
Archdiocese of Kansas City

12615 Parallel Parkway
Kansas City
Kansas
USA
66109

ph. (913) 721-1570
fax (913) 721-1577

Catholic Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph:

Physical Address:
300 East 36th
Kansas City, Missouri 64111


Mailing Address:
Post Office Box 419037
Kansas City, Missouri 64141-6037

Phone: 816.756.1850

Toll-Free: 800.246.1850


the offending priest: <>
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:18 PM
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29. to send emails
you have to go to the link on their site...
kc arch diocese: http://www.archkck.org/component/option,com_contact/Ite... /
st.j diocese: http://www.diocese-kcsj.org/contact/
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #29
47. NO WRONG DIOCESE
This one is in Missouri.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:09 PM
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53. I put the wrong ARCH-diocese address... the diocese address is right
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 02:09 PM by SemperEadem
Catholic Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph:

Physical Address:
300 East 36th
Kansas City, Missouri 64111


Mailing Address:
Post Office Box 419037
Kansas City, Missouri 64141-6037

Phone: 816.756.1850

they nonetheless need to hear that political speeches from the pulpit are wrong.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #53
58. There is a different arch diocese in each state
And really the Catholics in Kansas aren't near as bad. MO Catholics are much more conservative.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #26
46. No that's not the right diocese!!!!
This bishop in the article is from Missouri. The church where he was speaking is in MISSOURI!

Please edit your post.

The Catholics in Kansas aren't all bad. :)
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my_pet_wolf Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:49 PM
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86. 3 Catholic Bishops from KS already made this argument
Check out Mike Hendricks' column in The Kansas City Star

Hendricks: Kansas bishops say a vote for pro-choice Dems is a vote for "evil"
While they don't come right out and say it as plainly as the headline above does, the four bishops in Kansas made it pretty plain what they believe are the civic duties of their fellow Roman Catholics this election season.

Duty No. 1, vote. "Voting is a moral act," the bishops said in a letter reprinted in the Aug. 10 bulletin of Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Lenexa.

Duty No. 2: Vote pro-life, but only as it pertains to abortion and stem-cell research. Life issues like the death penalty and war are debatable. But not gay marriage and so-called mercy killing.

If you've ever wondered how the church justifies such distinctions (hair splitting is another term for it), here in their own words is the explanation from bishops Ronald Gilmore of Dodge City, Paul Coakley of Salina, Michael Jackels of Wichita and Joseph Naumann, archibishop of Kansas City in Kansas:

Link: http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/13672
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:16 PM
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27. Serious question for Catholics here on DU:
I know that the Ten Commandments say that killing is wrong, but why would abortion be more wrong than war or executions? Does it have to do with unborn souls? I thought that Vatican II took care of that by allowing unbaptized babies to be saved.

I don't understand why people consider abortion to be worse than war or other forms of killing. I'm truly puzzled by this. The fundamentalists are even more hypocritical, imo. They positively LOVE the idea of going to war with "heathens," even though the Ten Commandments don't seem to make any exceptions for war, etc.

Please help me understand. At this point, I've decided that so-called Christians who oppose abortion but are ok with war are just patriarchal hypocrites who really want to control women's lives and bodies.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. see my note below...
I could not stand that large piece of hypocrasy myself, and so I have basically left the church.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:17 PM
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28. Yank the tax exemption for his diocese as well as for this church.
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DeadManInc Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:18 PM
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30. They need to crack down on these douche bags
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:23 PM
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31. This is why I quit going to Mass this spring..
and my never return. If the Bishop thinks that being "pro-life" is supporting an illegal war, with many, many deaths, I cast my lot with the unchurched.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:24 PM
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32. They have some really crazy Catholics here
:crazy:
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skeewee08 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:33 PM
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35. So abortion is wrong
but killing innocent people in a war is Christ Like? What part of Thou Shall Not Kill just says abortion?
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:35 PM
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36. Well said. Now fuck off. Your era ends today. /nt
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skeewee08 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #36
45. Who are you telling to F-Off?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:36 PM
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37. this is truly evil
and what drives people from the Vatican

threats and fear that how they work

it shows them for what they are
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:37 PM
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38. TAX ALL CHURCHES
Bullshit mother fuckers! He wants to speak out let the church pay all local, state, federal income, property and sales taxes. Maybe we can set up a fund for molested children.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:38 PM
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40. May the Catholics leave their church in droves and join us blissful folk: the unchurched.
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 03:28 PM
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69. I went 12 years of catholic school
Mostly a good experience, but then you have clowns like this speak up. It's really depressing. Not all of them are that idiotic. But he sure doen't help the PR.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:38 PM
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41. MY ANSWER TO THAT IS THIS PHOTO!
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:46 PM
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42. Public needs to be advised of Evangelical Dominionist take-overs
in both the attempts to break up the Episcopalian Churches right now and also the Catholic Churches. If they knew this would they really be falling for this?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:47 PM
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43. Just go to Confession and everything's cool
if you believe it's a sin to vote for Obama.

That's what's great about being Catholic. 45 minutes max on Sunday, do something wrong, no problem.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:55 PM
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49. Probably, but in a good way.
Voting for the adulterous war monger won't give youa specialplace in heaven.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:56 PM
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50. Who died and made Finn God?
I just love it when the Church tries to mediate God's grace.

When it also acknowledges that issues like war and poverty are also of importance, maybe I'll listen.

Let them have their day in the sun. Their influence and power is fading, they know it, and so they feel compelled to make these grand pronouncements.

Bishop: I voted my conscience today. I'm prepared to defend that vote when I meet my maker, because I probably see more of the "other side" of life issues than you ever will. I am convinced through my own discernment and conscience that Barack Obama is the best man for the job. In any event, I don't answer to you, so stop the spiritual blackmail.
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lelgt60 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:56 PM
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51. NO NO He's right!
It does affect your Eternal Salvation.

I really wouldn't want to have to explain to St. Peter why I didn't vote for Obama.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:57 PM
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52. Thanks for your opinion. Now fuck off, Father.
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cjsmom44 Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:14 PM
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54. Like I am so Scared...Mr. Bishop
I am Technically a Catholic...But consider myself a Christian....Buddhist...Quaker...
So what I have to say to the dear Bishop is Bite Me
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:15 PM
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55. The worst part of all this - that's NOT what the United States Council of Catholic Bishops says:
http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/FCStatement.pd...

Short version: there are a lot of considerations, so think carefully and choose wisely.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:20 PM
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56. TAX THE CHURCHES!!!
Or the diocese in the case of the RCC, and all other non-profits that violate the conditions of their tax-exempt status.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:23 PM
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57. And buggering alter boys doesn't
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 02:52 PM
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62. Finn's a nut on abortion, calls it a "holocaust"
Finn was adamant: Abortion is the holocaust of the modern world, its all in the catechism. This went on for some time until a couple priests revealed that they planned to vote for John Kerry. Finn just kind of turned and walked away, the priest said.

http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2006b/051206/...
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 03:20 PM
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67. You'd think that Obama was going to make abortion a requirement
for all women at least once and that all people have at least one gay relationship listening to these dingbats.

People like this is why I disavowed ANY organized religion some thirty-odd years ago.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 03:25 PM
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68. What a tool. So much to refute here.
Since when have repugs ever reduced abortions?

A little partisan on the alter, don't you think?

Just a little judgmental I would say.

Yet another celibate jerk with "all-knowing" attitude.

Me thinks his eternal salvation has just been jeopardized just by saying such crap.

Yet more Catholics having to once again separate their faith from the leaders of their church.

Mary, Mother of God, should I vote for more poverty and war so that we can stop legal abortions?

Finn is yet another example of American ignorance rising to the top because of a winning personality, not because of intellectual honesty or integrity. Why is he so afraid of women?

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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 03:29 PM
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70. ITS TAX TIME BABY!
The rethuglicans totally controlled the government for 6 or 8 years. Someone remind me when they outlawed abortion??? :shrug:

Whats your pronouncement from on high about a money making business that shelters and enables thousands of child molesters, "father"??? :puke:
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 03:55 PM
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71. economic problems?
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 03:56 PM by Poseidan
Tax the churches. They're begging for it.

Ahh.. the circle of sin. On the top of the globe, you have church. On the bottom, hell. On the left and right sides, sin. No matter what, when you leave church, you will reach sin. After sin, you can go back to church or go to hell.

One ass-headed organization, the church construct is. A shame so many people do not understand how their survival instincts are being manipulated.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:03 PM
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72. Yeah Right!!! like catholics do whatever the bishop say, like not using condoms. n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:05 PM
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73. I was wondering if that's what the billboard meant when it said,
"You reap what you sow," and "Live as if everything you do will eventually be known by everyone."
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:06 PM
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74. Who would want to spend eternity with them?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:20 PM
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75. yet another reason I don't attend my local Catholic church
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:32 PM
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76. "...hundreds of people kneeled and prayed to Mary"...what the fuck is up with that??!!!
crazy ass peasants
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:33 PM
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77. Pay your taxes, you fucking pedophile
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:52 PM
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78. Are bishops actually allowed to endorse specific candidates from the pulpit?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 05:00 PM
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80. Tax the chuch & deport the bishop.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 05:35 PM
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81. "There are some Catholics...convinced they will vote for John McCain. What would you say to them?"
"I would say give consideration to your eternal salvation...you make yourself a participant in the act of war," KamaAina replied. That's gravely wrong. You must not do it because your eternal salvation is tied up with that important choice."

So there! :P
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 05:42 PM
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83. I will be so glad when the day comes that those types
are immediately marginalized and lose their tax exempt status for saying stupid shit like that.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 06:43 PM
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84. The priests I know say the exact opposite
I wonder which ones will burn in hell?

:eyes:
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 06:49 PM
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85. Hey Mr. Bishop- you should try fucking yourself instead of those kids.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 09:17 PM
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89. Your post is disgusting
Not all Catholic priests are pedophiles. It's more common among the fundies.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:39 AM
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98. Having been one myself- ALL children raised Catholic are fucked.
sometimes literally.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 10:28 AM
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99. I was raised Catholic and I disagree
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:26 PM
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91. Well, I guess we're all going to hell now....
Sure is gonna be crowded!

:hi:
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:56 PM
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96. You are wrong, Bish
God said, "You are wrong and I will prove it," and then disappeared.

You are wrong,
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 12:23 AM
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97. STFU,
St. Pervert :rofl:
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johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:31 PM
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101. The Catholic Church's increased political involvement...
is one of the reasons I left the church. Once they get rid of us Democrats, then they'll turn on each other.
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johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:40 AM
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102. We'll leave the church, if you give our money back!
How about that deal? If the Catholic Church gives back all the money that Democratic families donated over the years, we'll call it even. Do you think they'll take that deal? Might have to hock a few rings and sculptures.
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