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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 09:20 AM
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Blackwater Machine Gun Found in Raid on Iraqi Insurgents
Source: ABC News


Incident Was Kept Secret and Raises More Questions About the Firm's Iraq Operations

By BRIAN ROSS
October 2, 2008

An M4 machine gun sent to Iraq by the Blackwater private security firm somehow disappeared from the company's storage facility in Baghdad and was later discovered during a US military operation, apparently against suspected insurgents, people familiar with the situation have told ABC News.

The incident, in 2006, has been kept secret until now but it raised more questions about Blackwater's operations in Iraq.

Allegations that Blackwater shipped weapons and silencers to Iraq without proper licensing are already under investigation by a federal grand jury in North Carolina, according to people familiar with the case.

Blackwater says all of its weapons "are shipped in accordance with U.S. export control regulations."



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5931528&page=1
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 09:23 AM
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1. They are an Equal Opportunity Employer
Money has now boundaries
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:19 AM
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17. That is why a hundred year war will be so profitable for them!
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 09:27 AM
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2. Blow up their facilities (in the US) and line up the motherfuckers.....
.....against a wall and Stalinize them.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 09:48 AM
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3. Myself, I'm less worried about the weaponry they are shipping to Iraq
than I am about the weaponry they are bringing back FROM Iraq.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 09:51 AM
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4. This is the tip of a huge iceberg! Most of us people who have followed this have known all along
Blackwater and others like them had everything to loose if the conflict ended and Millions to gain if it continued. Hope to God this is really looked at closely! Disgusting to a Mom of 2 who went to fight for our country there! I feel these people were traitors and tried to hid behind PNAC and others to privatize our military and strip them of the money they needed to protect our troops from the true enemy!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:02 AM
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5. You speak the truth! To United States soldiers, Iraq is an obligation and duty.

To blackwater, Iraq is a profit-making opportunity. Make no mistake, these are warmongering mercenaries, loyal only to Mammon.

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Oerdin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:02 AM
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6. M4 /= machine gun
It's just like the M16A2 in that it is semi-automatic or has a three round bust but it is not a machine gun. Just FYI.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:24 AM
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12. Bushmaster makes an M4 that has a fully automatic mode.
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 10:28 AM by MilesColtrane
The article doesn't specify if the rifle they found was equipped with it, or not.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:12 AM
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18. Still would not be a machine gun.
The M4 is a assault rifle, different from a machine gun. However, for civilian ownership both machine guns and assault rifles are classified the same due to both firing multiple rounds with a single trigger pull.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:15 AM
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23. I was using the National Firearms Act definition of machinegun.
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 11:22 AM by MilesColtrane
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:02 AM
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7. I hope cutting all Blackwater's contracts is high on Barack's to do list.
And leave the fucker's to find their own way home.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:08 AM
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16. Barack made a great statement on this issue in 2007 - Link.....
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 11:10 AM by 1776Forever
http://obama.senate.gov/press/071015-obama_calls_on_17/

Obama Calls on Blackwater to Testify Before Senate
Monday, October 15, 2007

Calls on Prince to testify, Release details of Iraq contract

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) called on Chairman Joseph Lieberman and Ranking Member Susan Collins of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee to ask Erik Prince, the head of Blackwater, to testify before the Committee and provide details of the company’s contract in Iraq.

In February, Obama offered the Transparency and Accountability in Military and Security Contracting Act (S. 674), a comprehensive piece of legislation requiring more information and accountability on private security contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Senate passed an Obama amendment in the Defense Department Authorization bill that will require federal departments to compile and report information to Congress on the role of contractors in Iraq. Obama has also introduced a separate bill (S. 2147) to require private contractors to be held accountable under federal law.

Below is a copy of the letter:

October 15, 2007
The Honorable Joseph I. Lieberman, Chairman
The Honorable Susan Collins, Ranking Member
Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Chairman Lieberman and Ranking Member Collins:

As you know, on September 16, 2007, personnel from Blackwater USA, a private security contracting firm, killed as many as 17 Iraqi civilians in an incident in Baghdad. This incident, which has damaged the United States’ reputation in the eyes of the Iraqi people, has highlighted the need for more oversight of our government’s use of contractors in Iraq. I am writing to request that the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hold hearings on the proper role of private security contractors, as well as the September 16 incident.

Earlier this month, Erik Prince, the head of Blackwater, testified before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. At that hearing, Chairman Waxman decided not to ask Mr. Prince specific questions about the September 16 incident out of deference to a pending FBI investigation. However, in two interviews broadcast yesterday, Mr. Prince provided a detailed accounting of what he believes happened that day, asserting that Blackwater guards were fired upon, despite evidence to the contrary.

On CNN’s “Late Edition,” Mr. Prince suggested that Blackwater’s actions are dictated by the State Department: “e send professionals over there to do a job we do, dictated by the U.S. government, by the State Department who hires us. We recruit, vet, equip, train and deploy them, and then we turn them over to the operational control to the U.S. government. . . . hey dictate the missions, they dictate the vehicles, they provide the weapons, they tell us where to go and what to do.”

Mr. Prince also said that he welcomed greater scrutiny of Blackwater’s operations. On CBS’ “60 Minutes,” Mr. Prince said: “We absolutely want more oversight. We welcome the accountability. We want a good name for this industry.” Given Mr. Prince’s willingness to submit to additional oversight, as well as the importance of these issues to our ongoing effort in Iraq, I request that you invite Mr. Prince to testify before our Committee.

Although the House Oversight Committee shed some light on Blackwater’s practices and the State Department’s relationship with Blackwater, there are still many issues involving Blackwater that merit further oversight. These issues include: the lack of transparency associated with the hiring and conduct of private security contractors; the lack of accountability over their actions; the State Department’s role in covering up previous incidents in which Blackwater guards shot at Iraqi civilians; and the impact of the contractors’ behavior on our efforts to win hearts and minds in Iraq and Afghanistan. All of these issues, I believe, merit further investigation by the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

In preparation for such a hearing, I believe it would be prudent to request a copy of the contract that Blackwater received from the State Department to conduct its mission. According to press accounts, that contract was awarded without competition from multiple bidders. Moreover, there remain questions about the rules of engagement under which Blackwater contractors operate in Iraq, including a belief that State Department contractors operate under rules of engagement that are more permissive than those under which Defense Department contractors operate.

Given the military’s increased reliance on such private security contractors, greater oversight from our Committee would be both timely and important to ensuring that we understand not just what mistakes have been made, but how we can correct them in a way that protects our national interest.

I thank you in advance for your consideration of my request.


Sincerely,


Barack Obama
United States Senator
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:06 AM
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8. Blackwater Machine Gun Found in Raid on Iraqi Insurgents
Source: ABC news

An M4 machine gun sent to Iraq by the Blackwater private security firm somehow disappeared from the company's storage facility in Baghdad and was later discovered during a US military operation, apparently against suspected insurgents, people familiar with the situation have told ABC News.
Pic: A machine gun owned by the security firm Blackwater was found in a raid on Iraqi insurgents.
A machine gun sent to Iraq by Blackwater was discovered during a US military operation against suspected insurgents, according to documents obtained by ABC News.

The incident, in 2006, has been kept secret until now but it raised more questions about Blackwater's operations in Iraq.

Allegations that Blackwater shipped weapons and silencers to Iraq without proper licensing are already under investigation by a federal grand jury in North Carolina, according to people familiar with the case.

Blackwater says all of its weapons "are shipped in accordance with U.S. export control regulations."

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5931528&page=1
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:06 AM
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9. I can guess how that happened.
Some Blackwater supply clerk is making a few bucks on the side by selling a choice item here & there to the enemy.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:34 AM
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13. Gotta love those Bushie Values...
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:06 AM
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10. I believe I am the first to say, on this thread, that I don't believe any word
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 09:58 AM by higher class
coming from Blackwater - not even the word 'the'.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:06 AM
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11. You are correct. Fear them for they are evil.
Just sayin'.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:38 AM
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14. Most of the "terrorism" occuring is facilitated by the west
I think. There have been enough arrests of westerners/Americans dressed as Arabs or recruiting "Al Qaeda" members to convince me that that is the case. How else would Iraqi "insurgents" be able to arm themselves to the degree necessary to fight against a force as strong as the US?
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 07:54 AM
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21. Fake terrorists? You mean like this photo?


September 2005: Two British soldiers caught RED HANDED dressed as terrorists in Basra

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/archive1/rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/09/carry-on-killing.html
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:49 AM
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15. Probably bought it
on ebay.iraq whatever.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:27 AM
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19. Sounds like the M4 was sold out the back door.
I'm still waiting for these 'sovereign' Iraqis to kick these merc scumbags out.
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OakCliffDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:08 AM
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20. Blackwater operates outside of the law
The mercenaries at Blackwater don't give a flying FVGK what happens as long as they get paid
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:43 AM
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22. Okay, which one of those Blackwater goons fucked up? Huh?
When I was in the Army, if I were to leave my rifle behind somewhere, the lesson taught to me to NEVER LEAVE YOUR RIFLE BEHIND OR UNATTENDED would involve super-glue and a nylon tether. Don't those corporate militia fuckwits know ANYTHING???????
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