Pak army to retaliate if US conducts raids

[Truth2Tell]

Source: The Tribune of India

Afzal Khan
Islamabad

The Pakistan Army has been ordered to retaliate against any action by foreign troops inside the country, army spokesman Major General Athar Abbas said on Friday.

General Abbas' statement came as top brass of the Pakistan Army in their meeting on second day fully endorsed their chief's warning that no country would be allowed to violate Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

A press release issued after the 111th Corps Commanders Conference quoted General Ashfaq Kayani as saying that “all elements of the National Power under the new democratic leadership will safeguard the territorial integrity of Pakistan with full support and backing of the people of Pakistan.”

General Kayani's statement on Wednesday regarding army's resolve to defend borders at all costs against the backdrop of repeated US threats of cross-border raids inside Pakistan territory bordering Afghanistan has been widely acclaimed in the country. It has refurbished army's image that had touched rock bottom because of its involvement in internal politics under Pervez Musharraf.

Read more: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080913/main4.htm

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"Retaliate" is substantially different than defend.

Is Bush really sure he wants to get us into this fight?

[Betsy Ross]

1. Nukular Pak!

Then we better take over the entire country fast. Sarah, that's the Bush Doctrine.

[cliffordu]

2. That's right, we NEED another front on the war!!

:rofl:


They are the stupidest humans that have ever lived.

[ohio2007]

20. Actually, that is the original front of the war long forgotten

Those stupid animals should be brought to justice.

[Taverner]

4. Yep - someone should point this out to her

[tekisui]

3. I don't like it.

Where will they retaliate? I guess the US troops in Afghanistan?

[Pavulon]

6. Cover..We own the ISI

we can operate at will as long as money flows. The government has zero interest in screwing up relations with NATO.

They keep up appearances to soothe the wackos, just like our gov does.

[maxsolomon]

9. funny - the taliban owns the ISI, too.

see the NYT magazine from last sunday if you didn't already know.

and i don't think the pakistani military has the competence to "retaliate" against the salvation army, let alone the US army. they'll make a lot of noise about chasing us out if they can, but with commando raids our troops will be long gone by the time the alarm is sounded.

they sure aren't cooperating with the US any more if they ever were. cut. pakistan's. funding. off. yesterday.

[Pavulon]

11. balancing act

they have to give the fundie muslims the appearance they are not helping the great satan while making sure that they recieve continued access to western technology and markets.

[ohio2007]

22. The ISI owns the ISI. If they have a problem with Islamabad policy

somebody gonna get pwn3d bya second shooter/grassy knoll conspirecy.

[reorg]

12. the US is not NATO

and the Europeans are a little more afraid of their still overwhelmingly anti-war public when it comes to acts of aggression against foreign countries and killing innocent people. They also do not want to get sucked into an insane escalation of hostilities in Afghanistan.

The German military minister - not a liberal by any means - made it clear that Germany does not agree with the US cross-border raids:

DW-WORLD.de (Deutsche Welle)
05.09.2008

During a visit to Pakistan Friday, German Defense Minister Jung slammed US ground strikes in the country that killed civilians but said Islamabad needed to do more to curb militants operating near the Afghanistan border.

On a visit to Islamabad on the eve of Pakistani presidential elections, German Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung called on the US to stop attacks on extremists in the country, saying it was important Pakistan assumes responsibility for fighting terrorism on its soil.

"Pakistan's territorial integrity has to be respected," Jung said after meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani.
...

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3622079,00.html

[ohio2007]

21. They are paying lip service hoping the attacks against Islamabad will stop

yeah,
http://www.dawn.com/2008/09/13/top6.htm

good luck with that civil war thingy and watch out for those yelling "Sic Semper Tyrannis" when traveling out in public

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/booth.htm

or is it allah ahkbar they yell these days.

[peacebird]

5. "retaliate" - another rousing "success" brought to us by bushworld....

:grr:

[spiritsong13]

7. Remember what Palin said yesterday.

She said in her interview last night that she thought we should go in there too.

[LynnTheDem]

8. Good. That's their total legal right and the correct thing to do.

Although I'd call it "defend". Did Pakistan say "retaliate" or did the US "media" translate it to "retaliate"?

[PATRICK]

10. You can piece together

things the media never will, just like the Venezuela-Russia deals percolating now into the campaign. Obviously, during the GOP Convention a publicized but unsuccessful move against some mystery Al Qaeda target faded to oblivion. Next there came speculation about another target. Then talk of using drones to take it out, which seems to take into account just this reaction from Pakistan. This sudden publicized
enthusiasm for scoring against Al Qaeda is damned obvious in always appearing only during important election cycles.

If this an October surprise scheme worked out with Pakistan I bet we are paying a lot of tax money for nothing so far, which at least is doing no harm to our fraguile hold on democratic election process under heavy GOP assault.

Then they settle on a new four star technicolor tape from Al Qaeda Productions Unlimited, mysteriously unverifiable(which is never a MSM issue at all ever in their remotest dark corner of exiled journalistic curiosity). If someone can imagine some new gimmick twist, keep it off these boards so you won't agonize later you may have contributed to these farces. They will play this card if only to distract attention. If they could do better, they would have in 2004.

[Crowman1979]

13. Great, now here's another hidden war similar to that one 30 years ago in Cambodia.

Of course that one didn't exist either. *cough(BS)*

[entanglement]

14. Common people there are being victimized by the US, Pakistan and Taliban

500,000 have already fled. Thousands have been 'smart' bombed, shelled, and blown to bits in this brutal offensive.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

15. Heckuva job, Ricey!

These f'n morons in this mal-administration just keep on making things worse and worse. DAMN THEM TO HELL!

[badgervan]

16. The Chimp ain't Worried...

... God sits on his shoulder, remember? Talk about a great "out" on avoiding responsibility.

[Algorem]

17. Bush-Ordered Attacks in Pakistan Further Destabilizing World Security

by Dennis Kucinich

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Bush-Ordered-Attacks-in-Pa-by-Dennis-Kucinich-080912-628.html

Washington D.C. (September 12, 2008) -- Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who in October 2002 was the first member of Congress who maintained that Bush was lying to take the country into war, issued the following statement regarding President Bush's authorization of U.S. attacks inside of Pakistan:

"The President is once again violating international law by invading yet another nation which has not attacked the United States. Once again, he places our troops and our reputation at risk. Once again, he creates more enemies for America. Pakistan's objections to the illegal US Predator strikes inside the country's border should be a clear indication of how Pakistan would respond to another illegal attack upon their sovereign nation.


"Pakistan is a nuclear flash point on the Asian subcontinent. This situation requires intense diplomacy. The United States under George Bush is playing with fire, creating more instability, killing innocent Pakistanis, imperiling our troops in the region and weakening the hold our allies have on their democratic governments. Instead of limiting aggression, Bush expands it.

"The Administration not only ignores the will of an ally, but risks expanding the failed war in Afghanistan into Pakistan. This is unnecessary and it is illegal. Congress must intervene legislatively and legally to block Bush from continuing down this dangerous path.

"Additionally, this is further proof why Congress should not adjourn at the end of September. Congress' absence from Washington will further license the Administration to build up conflict with Iran, Russia, Pakistan and beyond. We must stay in session through the year's end and into the next Congress to hold this President in check.

"We must exercise our responsibility as a co-equal branch of government. President Bush acts as though the United States is an imperial monarchy. Yet, even with 761 military bases scattered across the globe, the sun must set on Bush's aggression.

"With the domestic economy in jeopardy, with people losing their jobs, their investments, their retirement security, their health care, and their plans for their children's education, the Administration's focus should be on domestic matters. Sadly, for the world, their only talent is creating war."





PAL-C members meets Boucher, demand end to unilateral actions

http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52569&Itemid=2

WASHINGTON, Sept 13 (APP): Senior representatives of Pakistani American Leadership Center (PAL-C), a Capitol Hill-based advocacy group, met with US top official for South Asia Richard Boucher and demanded an immediate end to unilateral American action on Pakistani soil.

Expressing deep concern at unilateral US military action into Pakistanis territory resulting in high levels of civilian casualties without any commensurate success in terminating high-value targets, the group stressed in a letter “it is in the interest of US national security and for the security and stability in the region that these actions be halted immediately.”

According to the letter released by PAL-C on Friday, its members wrote that by violating the territorial integrity of Pakistan with impunity, the US undermines the position of the Pakistani security forces and that such actions “legitimize the Taliban and al-Qaeda who by militarily engaging the US can claim they are the true defenders of Islam and Muslims.”

The PAL-C cited strong condemnation of the September 3 attack on a border village by Pakistani leadership and the parliament and sought that statements attributed to US officials “must immediately be retracted and clarified to reflect a more sane and sober policy that relies on intelligence-sharing and coordination with the Pakistani military and most importantly, a reliance on them as the sole actor in any kind of military action to be taken within Pakistan.”...

[Bandit]

18. Is Bush really sure he wants to get us into this fight?

Or Obama? :shrug: A nightmare waiting to happen

[ohio2007]

19. Should this be brought up as a question asked in debate ?

Supply of billions $ to Musharraf didn't pay dividends and Obama mentioned the impact such 'aid' had on India a few weeks ago.Pakistan must enforce cross border travel into Afghanistan and the Afghan govt must also accept a greater role on its side instead of pointing the finger at the govt in Islamabad.

Otherwise, we should cut and run and let them go back to the way it was. We should respect and, at the same time,ignore the local cultures practices.



November 17, 1999


Sept 13,2008
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP125642.htm

Should women be concerned about these submissive practices or am I way out of line with such questioning about the WOT ?

[reorg]

23. Do Afghan women want the US to continue this war?

Not so, according to Sonali Kolhatkar ("Vice president of the Afghan Women's Mission, a group that works in solidarity with Afghans to help improve health and educational facilities for Afghan refugees in Pakistan. Sonali has spoken out about women's rights and human rights in Afghanistan as well as the responsibility of the U.S. to the people of Afghanistan. Her piece entitled "By Any Standards, This is a War Against Afghans" was published online at zmag.org and commondreams.org. Her interview of a RAWA member was recently published in the January 2002 issue of "Z" magazine." Source: Mother Jones Radio)


Sonali Kolhatkar on Why Afghanistan is "Just as Bad as Iraq"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqBogn6ikG8

"What is the most famous woman in Afghanistan, Malalai Joya, saying? She wants the US out of Afghanistan because they're doing more damage than good."


Who is Malalai Joya?

The brave and historical speech of Malalai Joya in the Loya Jirga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLC1KBrwbck

Malalai Joya's Historical Speech

On December 17, 2003, Malalai Joya, 25, from Farah province delivered the following speech which had a very huge coverage in the world media:

"My name is Malalai Joya from Farah Province. By the permission of the esteemed attendees, and by the name of God and the colored-shroud martyrs of the path of freedom, I would like to speak for couple of minutes.

My criticism on all my compatriots is that why are they allowing the legitimacy and legality of this Loya Jerga come under question with the presence of those felons who brought our country to this state.

I feel pity and I feel very sorry that those who call Loya Jerga an infidel basis equivalent to blasphemy after coming here their words are accepted, or please see the committees and what people are whispering about. The chairman of every committee is already selected. Why do you not take all these criminals to one committee so that we see what they want for this nation. These were those who turned our country into the nucleus of national and international wars. They were the most anti-women people in the society who wanted to who brought our country to this state and they intend to do the same again. I believe that it is a mistake to test those already being tested. They should be taken to national and international court. If they are forgiven by our people, the bare- footed Afghan people, our history will never forgive them. They are all recorded in the history of our country."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Loya_jirga

http://www.malalaijoya.com/index1024.htm

[tabasco]

24. We blew the opportunity to clean the taliban/qaeda out of Pakistan

when the oil cabal invaded Iraq.

We should have had two US divisions on the border with Pakistan during Tora Bora to kill the fuckers running out of the valley.

Then we should have told Pakistan the US Army was coming into country to get the rest of them, and if they wanted their country to become a parking lot, go ahead and shoot a nuke, fuckers.

Bush and the oil cabal thought getting the oil was more important than killing our enemies.

[ohio2007]

25. Waziristan Taliban sign peace deal with government ( peace in our time )

Wednesday, September 06, 2006
Militants agree not to launch cross-border raids, shelter foreigners
* Govt to remove checkpoints, free prisoners and return weapons

By Haji Mujtaba and Iqbal Khattak

MIRANSHAH/PESHAWAR: Taliban militants signed a peace agreement with the government on Tuesday, pledging not to launch cross-border attacks in Afghanistan and not to shelter foreign fighters, officials said.

The peace deal aims to end two years of violence in North Waziristan, where hundreds of people have died in clashes between security forces and Taliban militants. The Taliban had been observing a unilateral ceasefire since June.

snip

Under the agreement, the Taliban accepted the government demand that cross-border attacks would not be launched nor foreign militants sheltered. They also agreed not to attack government buildings or security forces, and not to conduct “target killings” of government servants, tribal elders and journalists.

In return, the government agreed to stop air and ground operations; return all weapons and other material seized during operations; restore privileges of tribesmen; and remove all check-posts.

“It was the toughest jirga I ever participated in,” Malik Shehzada said of the 45-member jirga that negotiated the agreement with militant commanders over several weeks.

Shahzaman Khan, spokesman for the NWFP governor’s FATA Secretariat, said the two parties “expressed their firm resolve to abide by all the conditions laid down in the agreement for establishment of an enduring peace in the tribal areas, particularly in North Wazirstan Agency.”
He said the jirga found it hardest to convince the Taliban commanders to agree not to launch cross-border raids for attacks on US-led forces and not to shelter foreign militants.

The government called the occasion “historic”. “It is almost unprecedented in tribal history that such a complicated issue has been amicably resolved within a few weeks,” ....
snip


http://www.dawn.com/2006/09/06/top2.htm

oh wait, this article is from 9/6/06, it's two years old.
I think it was early this year the Islamabad peace department sent a delegation up there to enquire about breach of promises made;

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?153297
I think 22 of them had their throats slashed .

Pakistan Truce Appears Defunct
Insurgents Strike Police, Troops; At Least 44 Die

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/15/AR2007071500396.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HI02Df02.html

Soon they should announce to the world they are 'The Islamic Emirate of Pakistan' ?